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2007-02-09 Thread Andrew Bowden
The purpose of being good enough to satisfy the people that own the rights to the content - and therefore being able to release the content in this manner. I also forgot to say: You implicitly elevate the people that own the rights to the content above the public. This isn't cool. No

RE: [backstage] platform-agnostic approach to the iPlayer

2007-02-09 Thread Andrew Bowden
It is also complete obliviousness to reality. In fact, Steve Job's first blog post at http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughtsonmusic/ is nicely timed for this debate - carefully outlining why platform agnostic DRM is doomed. Here's hoping, because if/once the music industry (who are after all,

Re: [backstage] barcamplondon2: Proof of Identity

2007-02-09 Thread Richard Lockwood
Presumbly because it goes against the concept of everything being free and shareable. Richard Stallman says... (goes off into tedious rant...) ;-) Cheers, Rich. On 2/8/07, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: why is this a problem? they're only making sure no scalywags get in. On 2/8/07,

RE: [backstage] DRM and hwardware attitudes

2007-02-09 Thread Tim Thornton
On 08/02/07, Nic James Ferrier wrote: Tim Thornton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No, this /is/ an implementation problem, and can be overcome with a trusted hardware element on the platform. At that stage, the hoop will be more than simply running some code. Do you work for ARM? I do, but

[backstage] Pipes

2007-02-09 Thread Kevin Hinde
Has everyone already seen http://pipes.yahoo.com/ ? -- Kevin Hinde BBC News Interactive 020 8752 5209 0771 501 2424 aim:kwdhinde

Re: [backstage] Pipes

2007-02-09 Thread dave miller
This looks very interesting - could be very useful for me dave On 09/02/07, Kevin Hinde [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has everyone already seen http://pipes.yahoo.com/ ? -- Kevin Hinde BBC News Interactive 020 8752 5209 0771 501 2424 aim:kwdhinde - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion

RE: [backstage] platform-agnostic approach to the iPlayer

2007-02-09 Thread Andrew Bowden
On 09/02/07, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is also complete obliviousness to reality. In fact, Steve Job's first blog post at http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughtsonmusic/ is nicely timed for this debate - carefully outlining why platform agnostic DRM is doomed. Here's

Re: [backstage] Pipes

2007-02-09 Thread John
yep, and when i can login to their system i will use it to mess around with my rss feeds. ;-) all the best, John. On 2/9/07, Kevin Hinde [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has everyone already seen *http://pipes.yahoo.com/*http://pipes.yahoo.com/? -- Kevin Hinde BBC News Interactive 020 8752 5209

Re: [backstage] DRM and hwardware attitudes

2007-02-09 Thread Nic James Ferrier
Tim Thornton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nic said: I don't want a constrained comptuer because I don't trust the computer maker to be open and above board about the precise way the computer is constrained. What do you feel may be hidden? What do you feel a company might not hide? I think

Re: [backstage] DRM and hwardware attitudes

2007-02-09 Thread vijay chopra
I welcome it. Having a region of my computer that is independent of the regular computer gives me confidence that I can hold secrets on my PC. The whole purpose of trusted computing in its widest sense is to provide an environment where anyone can have trust. There are many uses for it, often

Re: [backstage] barcamplondon2: Proof of Identity

2007-02-09 Thread Mr I Forrester
Hi Jonathan and others. I'm sorry to give you the wrong impression. The event is so popular we've had to take a different tack this time. If you or anyone else really wants to come to the event without any ticket or anything then fine. The idea was ours not BT's. Cheers Ian Tom Scott

Re: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] £1.2 billion question (or RE: [backstage] BBC Bias??? Click and Torrents)

2007-02-09 Thread Tom Loosemore
No it's not cool. However if you don't have rights holders who are happy, you would get nowt. What's better - a moral highground with nothing, or no moral highground but with everything?I'd presume people here would say the former, whilst I suspect the majority of the general public would

Re: [backstage] DRM and hwardware attitudes

2007-02-09 Thread James Cridland
On 2/9/07, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where did you get the idea that DRM is a benefit to the computer's owner? If content-owners* require DRM to be able to release content for use on your computer (currently the case in the BBC iPlayer, and/or Channel 4's on-demand plater,

Re: [backstage] platform-agnostic approach to the iPlayer

2007-02-09 Thread Tom Loosemore
if the BBC did try to use it's muscle, it could just get accused of bully-boy tactics by the industry who could then complain to the government etc - such things have happened in the past) I thought the BBC was answerable to the Board of Trustees, not the Government. Or is it a Government

Re: [backstage] £1.2 billion question (or RE: [backstage] BBC Bias??? Click and Torrents)

2007-02-09 Thread James Cridland
On 2/1/07, Stephen Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What needs to be developed is new distribution systems, not excuses for old methods, nor seeing any form of global market as a problem. If content is available at a fair price globally and simultaneously, the advertising markets and audiences