Re: [backstage] More iPlayer protesting

2007-08-01 Thread Andy Leighton
On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 04:26:21AM +0100, Christopher Woods wrote: The quality was abysmal though, and RealVideo? Urgh. The simile employed in the DbD article is a little inaccurate, the more I think about it; the BBC's choice of MS-based systems for its iPlayer platform is more like their

Re: [backstage] iPlayer Today?

2007-08-01 Thread Andy Leighton
On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 06:54:49PM +0100, Adam Leach wrote: Andy wrote: On 29/07/07, mike chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Options 3, Buy an off the shelf solution and use it. Bonus points if the people whose content your licensing are happy with it and will endemnify you against

Re: [backstage] More iPlayer protesting

2007-08-01 Thread robl
Not that I'm condoning the choice, personally I'll always prefer an agnostic system, but, well, maybe the BBC were just realists when it came to the practicalities of development cost versus ROI from creating versions for (EXTREMELY) minority OSes? I mean, come on, hands up who here on the list

RE: [backstage] More iPlayer protesting

2007-08-01 Thread Simon Cobb
(EXTREMELY) minority OSes? I mean, come on, hands up who here on the list uses Linux as their primary OS. And me. And as such I just accept that if I want to watch any channel's output on-demand, there's a box in my living room that will capture it for me with the minimum of configuration.

Re: [backstage] More iPlayer protesting

2007-08-01 Thread David Greaves
Christopher Woods wrote: I mean, come on, hands up who here on the list uses Linux as their primary OS. Me. And (FWIW) my wife (her choice). I'm three years sober ;) David PS We can't even dual-boot anymore. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit

Re: [backstage] More iPlayer protesting

2007-08-01 Thread Richard McMillan
Me too! On 01/08/07, robl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not that I'm condoning the choice, personally I'll always prefer an agnostic system, but, well, maybe the BBC were just realists when it came to the practicalities of development cost versus ROI from creating versions for (EXTREMELY)

Re: [backstage] More iPlayer protesting

2007-08-01 Thread Matthew Walster
On 1 Aug 2007, at 12:40, David Greaves wrote: Christopher Woods wrote: | I mean, come on, hands up who here on the list | uses Linux as their primary OS. I use Linux and OSX (also unsupported as of now). I have a Vista box which is connected in an office, where I wouldn't want to use it,

RE: [backstage] Edinburgh TV Un-festival- 25th August

2007-08-01 Thread Ian Forrester
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Re: [backstage] More iPlayer protesting

2007-08-01 Thread Paul Johnston
And me! It's a fatally flawed argument to suggest that because the majority of computers now are Windows based, then the BBC can make a good case for using a Microsoft system for distribution. With the Vista bugs being a case in point, the BBC isn't tying itself to a standard, it's tying

Re: [backstage] More iPlayer protesting

2007-08-01 Thread vijay chopra
On 01/08/07, Paul Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The choice of the BBC not to use these is almost certainly because of the ability to hack them. Imagine if they released a system based on something open and it got hacked within 3 days? There's already a hacked version of iPlayer, it's

Re: [backstage] Making the underground accessible to all

2007-08-01 Thread Dave Crossland
On 31/07/07, Michael Sparks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 31 July 2007 19:50, Dave Crossland wrote: There are efforts to make unauthorised sharing of television as easy as possible though, such as http://www.rulecam.net/ted/ and this makes a mockery of highly restricted systems that

Re: [backstage] More iPlayer protesting

2007-08-01 Thread Dave Crossland
On 01/08/07, Paul Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are times when I think that the Linux community expects everything for nothing, and if it's not forthcoming that a company is either stupid or short sighted or similar. No, the software freedom movement doesn't expect anything for

RE: [backstage] More iPlayer protesting

2007-08-01 Thread Gordon Joly
At 04:26 +0100 1/8/07, Christopher Woods wrote: The quality was abysmal though, and RealVideo? Urgh. The simile employed in the DbD article is a little inaccurate, the more I think about it; the BBC's choice of MS-based systems for its iPlayer platform is more like their choice to broadcast in

Re: [backstage] More iPlayer protesting

2007-08-01 Thread Stephen Deasey
On 8/1/07, Simon Cobb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (EXTREMELY) minority OSes? I mean, come on, hands up who here on the list uses Linux as their primary OS. And me. And as such I just accept that if I want to watch any channel's output on-demand, there's a box in my living room that will

Re: [backstage] More iPlayer protesting

2007-08-01 Thread Dave Crossland
On 01/08/07, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not advocating eye patches and peg legs here, but personally I don't see a moral difference between getting something that's available on demand free from iPlayer via other means. That could be a PVR, or it could be getting it from a

Re: [backstage] More iPlayer protesting

2007-08-01 Thread vijay chopra
On 01/08/07, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 01/08/07, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not advocating eye patches and peg legs here, but personally I don't see a moral difference between getting something that's available on demand free from iPlayer via other

Re: [backstage] More iPlayer protesting

2007-08-01 Thread Andy
On 01/08/07, Christopher Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: maybe the BBC were just realists when it came to the practicalities of development cost versus ROI from creating versions for (EXTREMELY) minority OSes? I mean, come on, hands up who here on the list uses Linux as their primary OS. me as

[backstage] iPlayer on Intel Mac

2007-08-01 Thread James Bridle
[New thread] I'm getting the same on my Mac Pro, booted in XP SP2 - 'Sorry, something's wrong' even though all boxes are ticked. Will have a look at the browser's ident. If anyone wants to send me the exe, I'd be very grateful. I have a login and all, so I don't think there's anything wrong

RE: [backstage] More iPlayer protesting

2007-08-01 Thread Christopher Woods
Blimey, my last reply did stir it up (which is great, exactly what I wanted to see, got some really good answers out of people.) I just *knew* that the ratio of Linux users on this list would be higher than average though :D (incidentally, which flavours of Linux do people favour on here? When I

Re: [backstage] More iPlayer protesting

2007-08-01 Thread Stephen Deasey
On 8/1/07, Christopher Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With regards to worldwide takeup, I too thought the iPlayer was a UK-only thing, but I've heard rumblings about it becoming a paid-for service outside our borders in the future (I know of no ETA though). Don't know as to the authenticity

Re: [backstage] More iPlayer protesting

2007-08-01 Thread Dave Crossland
On 01/08/07, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 01/08/07, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 01/08/07, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not advocating eye patches and peg legs here, but personally I don't see a moral difference between getting something that's

RE: [backstage] More iPlayer protesting

2007-08-01 Thread Christopher Woods
Calm down dear, it's only a mailing list. What's wrong with discussing the (faint) possibility that it may happen (though most likely won't) in the future? -Original Message- From: Stephen Deasey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 01 August 2007 23:28 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk