[backstage] Anyone going to Cloud Camp?

2008-07-11 Thread Ian Forrester
http://london.cloudcamp.com/ Bit of abuse of the camp word, but oh well. Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [x] private; [] ask first; [] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] work: +44 (0)2080083965 mob: +44 (0)771191329

RE: [backstage] BBC iPlayer - why the missing TV channel?

2008-07-11 Thread Adam Hatia
Very interesting - many thanks! > > Hans Hoffman has done some research in this area for the EBU: > http://www.ebu.ch/en/technical/trev/trev_308-hdtv.pdf has some early > qualitative opinions in, and there's a presentation of his more recent, > quantitative work at > http://hdmasters2007.com/pdf/

Re: [backstage] Open-Source DTV

2008-07-11 Thread Matt Barber
The community broadcast is an interesting use. More equipment is accessible now than ever before that makes it easy to make content for such channels. On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/7/11 Simon Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> >> >> At Mas

Re: [backstage] Open-Source DTV

2008-07-11 Thread Brian Butterworth
2008/7/11 Simon Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > At Mashed we ran an end-to-end DVB-T Broadcast chain which comprised: > >1. An SD encoder - taking just about any video file/encoding format > 2. Metadata Generator >3. Programme Scheduling >4. Playout >5. Multiplexing > > We'

Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer - why the missing TV channel?

2008-07-11 Thread Steve Jolly
Adam Hatia wrote: Does anyone know of any study results or resources on perceived quality comparisons between various resolutions (e.g. 1080i25 vs 720p50) & encodings? Hans Hoffman has done some research in this area for the EBU: http://www.ebu.ch/en/technical/trev/trev_308-hdtv.pdf has some

RE: [backstage] BBC iPlayer - why the missing TV channel?

2008-07-11 Thread Adam Hatia
Does anyone know of any study results or resources on perceived quality comparisons between various resolutions (e.g. 1080i25 vs 720p50) & encodings?   -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Jolly Sent: 11 July 2008 12:49 To: backstage@lis

Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer - why the missing TV channel?

2008-07-11 Thread Brian Butterworth
> > Four, according to the OFCOM plan. It's based on a report by Zetacast > which shows large improvements going to occur in MPEG4 coders and > stat-muxing between now and 2020. > > http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/dttfuture/report.pdf > Actually it's three for now, with the fourth one muc

Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer - why the missing TV channel?

2008-07-11 Thread Simon Thompson
Simon Thompson wrote: 25fps, 1280x720, 16:9 (0.87 megapixels) is what is going to be in "Freeview HD", the DVB-T2 service. It's an option being considered. oops - I misread that - 720p50 is an option in the Ofcom licence conditions - not 720p25 -- -

Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer - why the missing TV channel?

2008-07-11 Thread Steve Jolly
Brian Butterworth wrote: 25fps, 1280x720, 16:9 (0.87 megapixels) is what is going to be in "Freeview HD", the DVB-T2 service. I'm not aware that anyone has ever suggested a 720p25 HD service in the UK. Ofcom have proposed putting four *720p50* services into a DVB-T2 multiplex. S - Sent via

[backstage] Open-Source DTV

2008-07-11 Thread Simon Thompson
At Mashed we ran an end-to-end DVB-T Broadcast chain which comprised: 1. An SD encoder - taking just about any video file/encoding format 2. Metadata Generator 3. Programme Scheduling 4. Playout 5. Multiplexing We're dipping our toe in the water about Open-sourcing our efforts. We

Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer - why the missing TV channel?

2008-07-11 Thread Simon Thompson
Brian Butterworth wrote: 1080i25), or is the compression lower? Yes. They are going to squeeze three HD channels into the 30Mb/s. Four, according to the OFCOM plan. It's based on a report by Zetacast which shows large improvements going to occur in MPEG4 coders and stat-muxing betwe

Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer - why the missing TV channel?

2008-07-11 Thread Brian Butterworth
2008/7/11 Adam Hatia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Inferior to Sky HD / Freesat / Virgin V+ then (broadcast at 1080i25), or > is the compression lower? > Yes. They are going to squeeze three HD channels into the 30Mb/s. > > > > -- > > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: >

RE: [backstage] BBC iPlayer - why the missing TV channel?

2008-07-11 Thread Adam Hatia
Inferior to Sky HD / Freesat / Virgin V+ then (broadcast at 1080i25), or is the compression lower? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 11 July 2008 11:10 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage

Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer - why the missing TV channel?

2008-07-11 Thread Brian Butterworth
> > I guess 720p24 *is* technically a true, actual high definition standard, > although I would be very sad to see it widely adopted... :-) (I think that > for most *video* material, of actual moving subjects, you'd be better off > picking a lower spatial resolution and a higher frame rate. Except

Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer - why the missing TV channel?

2008-07-11 Thread Steve Jolly
Adam Hatia wrote: It claims to be true 1280x720 @24fps... http://vimeo.com/help/hd ... The video in the link posted by Tom Hannen wasn't displayed at that resolution, even when you clicked the "HD" toggle (which changed the amount of lossy compression applied). Perhaps there's a different wa