Re: [backstage] BBC tells ISPs to get stuffed

2008-04-14 Thread David Tomlinson
Carlos Roman wrote: Be do have a fair use policy (https://www.bethere.co.uk/fairusage.do) but no actual mention of what they define as excessive network usage. I think they were quoted as saying that it was if you downloaded more than 80 GB a month (which so far I've never been penalised

Re: [backstage] BBC tells ISPs to get stuffed

2008-04-14 Thread David Tomlinson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the ISPs have a point ... the ADSL network is (currently) like a collection of country roads (narrow and fairly slow) which the BBC is trying to drive it's supersize juggernauts down. Think the ISPs should use some form of traffic shaping for iPlayer traffic and

Re: [backstage] BBC tells ISPs to get stuffed

2008-04-14 Thread Brian Butterworth
On 15/04/2008, David Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the ISPs have a point ... the ADSL network is (currently) like a collection of country roads (narrow and fairly slow) which the BBC is trying to drive it's supersize juggernauts down. Think the ISPs

Re: [backstage] BBC tells ISPs to get stuffed

2008-04-10 Thread Michael
On Thursday 10 April 2008 12:26:57 Andy wrote: It's only safe to cache data when you know it is cacheable. I agree with many of the sentiments you raise, but a key thing to remember is that many caches will not cache objects over a certain size. Lots of heuristics around caching have been

Re: [backstage] BBC tells ISPs to get stuffed

2008-04-10 Thread Steve Jolly
Andy wrote: The BBC forgot to mention it's actually blocking ISPs from caching the streams. As has already been pointed out, caching the streams wouldn't help ISPs because it's not their upstream bandwidth costs that are concerning them. Leaving aside the practicality of caching content

RE: [backstage] BBC tells ISPs to get stuffed

2008-04-10 Thread zen16083
Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC tells ISPs to get stuffed On Thursday 10 April 2008 12:26:57 Andy wrote: It's only safe to cache data when you know it is cacheable. I agree with many of the sentiments you raise, but a key thing to remember is that many caches will not cache objects over a certain size

Re: [backstage] BBC tells ISPs to get stuffed

2008-04-10 Thread Frank Wales
Mr I Forrester wrote: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/04/03/bbc_highfield_isp_threat/ I love this alleged quote at the end: One executive at a major ISP stormed back at Highfield: Relying on the customer's failure to read the small print is not the basis for a digital content strategy.

Re: [backstage] BBC tells ISPs to get stuffed

2008-04-10 Thread Steve Jolly
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the ISPs have a point ... the ADSL network is (currently) like a collection of country roads (narrow and fairly slow) which the BBC is trying to drive it's supersize juggernauts down. Think the ISPs should use some form of traffic shaping for iPlayer traffic

Re: [backstage] BBC tells ISPs to get stuffed

2008-04-09 Thread Andy
Mr I Forrester wrote: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/04/03/bbc_highfield_isp_threat/ The saga continues courtesy of the Reg. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/04/09/bbc_tiscali_iplayer/ (BBC vs ISPs: Bandwidth row escalates as Tiscali wades in) ISPs seem to be upset by the idea they should

RE: [backstage] BBC tells ISPs to get stuffed

2008-04-09 Thread Rupert Watson
: [backstage] BBC tells ISPs to get stuffed Mr I Forrester wrote: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/04/03/bbc_highfield_isp_threat/ The saga continues courtesy of the Reg. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/04/09/bbc_tiscali_iplayer/ (BBC vs ISPs: Bandwidth row escalates as Tiscali wades in) ISPs seem

Re: [backstage] BBC tells ISPs to get stuffed

2008-04-09 Thread Ivan Pope
Andy,Great post. It could be boiled down to one word: 'Phorm' (or Phormography as it should be known). ISPs want you to pay, then they want to sell you to the highest bidder, then they want to cap you, then they want to shape your traffic. But they don't want to tell you. Don't let them Phorm you.

Re: [backstage] BBC tells ISPs to get stuffed

2008-04-09 Thread David Tomlinson
I am not a civil or public servant (at least not yet), which allows me to make the false proposition, that I can tell Tiscali how to run their business (the advice is free). For example it turns out that Sky are already offering ADSL2+ with their max product 16Mb/s unlimited (still subject to