Re: [backstage] iMP
The BBC World Service is on both XM and Sirius, and BBC Radio 1 is timeshifted on Sirius (so that the breakfast show is on at breakfast time etc). I don't believe that Radio 4 is on any of the services. On 11/8/05, Millie Niss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know exactly what iMP is, so I hope I am not totally off-base here... However, I am a (US) American who would defnitely be willing to pay (if the price were reasonable) for BBC content. My main interest is the radio programming, which someone here said isn't a problem to distribute, but I am also somewhat interested in BBC TV. Right now, I cannot even get The World Service Radio in English _on the radio_ during most of the day. The World Service is broadcast for only a few hours a day on my local public radio station (this actually means private, non commercial -- US Public Radio is nonprofit but privately owned operated, supported by individual and corporate donations and a very small amount of indirect government subsidies). In the past, Americans could get World Service radio directly from the BBC on other bands (MW or LW), but now that isn't beamend towards the U.S. The web site provides streaming and some on-demand access to programs, but not full archives or downloadable versions of most programs. (I have enjoyed the podcasting trial of From Our Own Correspondent, for example, but that is an experiment.) I quite understand that the BBC is funded by UK Licensing fees and that they cannot afford to offer me all the services for free that license-payers get for their money. But I would be happy to pay for my content if I could afford it. After all, I donate money to my public radio stations and pay for cable TV and Internet access, so I am accustomed to paying for media content. I cannot get the BBC content at any price right now, at least not easily. (One issue is that I do not have broadband, so that maybe iMP would not help me. Broadband is much more prevalent in Europe and Asia than in the U.S., and so what I really want is to get my BBC content on the radio and TV!) Is the BBC Radio (and if so, which stations?) available on satellite radio? That is quite expensive impractical (especially for non automobile use) still but I'd consider subscribing to satellite radio if I could get the World Service and Radio 4. Millie - Original Message - From: James [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [backstage] iMP Releasing iMP to the world would almost end piracy of the BBC's content. Releasing it to the UK would still keep all the BBC's content available over the net through the standard ways. What better way to maintain control and quality than to irradicate the need for piracy of BBC content..? I actually wouldn't object to paying for this as a seperate service and I wouldnt be suprised if this is not the way forward for non-uk citizens. Seems fair enough, we pay our £££ per year and if Joel from America wants it, he can but it'll cost him a percentage of the standard lic. fee. Andrew Bowden wrote: I'm at work so I can't check at the moment, but ISTR that my telly licence has a unique reference number with it. This is going back a few years (say about 3-4). I used to buy my license from the old Post Office, and those didn't have a unique number on them. The ones you get sent by TV Licensing do. Hmm, I didn't know that. I wonder how you get them to move the licence to a new property when you move house if you don't have a licence number? The online form[1] has the licence number as a required field. I remember filling in that form back in October 2001 and thinking exactly the same! IIRC, I just put down that I had no license number. But there wasn't a knock on my door, and when it came up for renewal, the letter came from the right address. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iMP: accessibility, is the smell really that bad?
Thanks for the screenshots James. So unless they just ripped the graphics from WMP (possible but unlikely) it's using that as an embedded client. It could be worth trying some of the standard WM player keyboard shortcuts, eg F9/F10 for volume, ALT+ENTER for full screen, and see if it intercepts them. The skin might need to be specifically coded to hand those events to the player. I suppose the questions are - what's the broadcast stream format (is it WMV or some more globally viewable content like MP4). And is it DRM protected, which would definitely prevent Mac** or Linux users, or any other OS, from viewing the content. Cheers - Neil ** Well, Mac media player supports early v4 DRM but they're up to v7 now and that's completely broken on the Mac WMP - and not looking to be updated by all appearances. Unless the beeb can apply some leverage wink / At 00:38 08/11/2005, you wrote: Here's a few screenies: http://www.webcoding.co.uk/imp/ Note that you can actually play the DRM'd files in Media Player itself, it doesnt have to go through the iMP player design. All the video's can be fast forwarded etc without issue. Jim. Neil Smith [MVP Digital Media] wrote: At 12:01 07/11/2005, you wrote: Since it's a testing beta more aimed at testing the technology and the idea I'm sure the accessibility elements will come in when it's out. The boards suggest a limited budget to examine this idea and that's why we havent seen a linux or mac client and I suspect the same can be applied to a complete design and other related issues. I missed getting on the Beta due to being out of the country. But my impression was it uses a skinned windows media player. I could be wrong. If I'm not though, any inherent limitations of WMP (broken, mostly on Mac, and not available for unixes) would be present. Thoughts ? Cheers - Neil - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] iMP: accessibility, is the smell really that bad?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/accessibility/ Why is there no text only link on this page? There is on most pages on bbc.co.uk... Feel free to use this! http://www.recursion.co.uk/cgi-bin/betsie.cgi/www.bbc.co.uk/accessibility/ No charge! Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iMP: accessibility, is the smell really that bad?
On Tue, 8 Nov 2005, James wrote: Here's a few screenies: http://www.webcoding.co.uk/imp/ Note that you can actually play the DRM'd files in Media Player itself, it doesnt have to go through the iMP player design. All the video's can be fast forwarded etc without issue. With all this DRMed fun, I assume that something stops folk from just screen capturing the rendered output and turning it back into an un-DRMed MPEG2 stream? I'm not a windows user, but a quick Google threw up URL:http://www.hmelyoff.com/index.php?section=4 as a possible tool to let you do this; I'm sure there are others (I know years ago my old SGI Indy workstation with the CosmoCompress video capture card let me grab movies from random sections of the screen, so this is nothing new). Jim'll - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] iMP: accessibility, is the smell really that bad?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/accessibility/ Why is there no text only link on this page? There is on most pages on bbc.co.uk... Probably because it has accessibility features built into the page itself, which allow the presentation in a similar way to what Betsie provides, and in some aspects, beyond. Just my educated guess - not sure if anyone who built that site is on this list, to say for sure. Feel free to use this! http://www.recursion.co.uk/cgi-bin/betsie.cgi/www.bbc.co.uk/accessibilit y/ Of course the BBC's Betsie can still be used http://www.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/education/betsie/parser.pl/www.bbc.co.uk/ac cessibility Betsie's days are no doubt numbered - modern coding techniques allow much greater accessibility to be built into webpages, allowing accessibility without having to resort to parsers like Betsie. You can do a huge amount with a sensible HTML structure and CSS layout/presenation techniques. Andrew http://www.bbc.co.uk/ This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] You want your BBC Radio in the USA? You got it...
In the USA, you can get BBC World Service and BBC Radio 1 via Sirius's satellite radio service. http://www.sirius.com/BBCRadio1 http://www.sirius.com/BBCWorldService I still am amazed you can get radio without the use of a huge satellite dish but that's by the by. ___ Andrew Wong * Content Web Producer (Arts, Comedy, Current Affairs, Drama, Factual, Radio Wales) * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales http://www.bbc.co.uk/pobolycwm http://www.bbc.co.uk/radiowales - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] iMP: accessibility, is the smell really that bad?
Because it's written entirely in standards compliant code, with CSS, so can be rendered using a user-applied stylesheet, I think? I've heard - and this is just on the internal bush telegraph, nothing official, that betsie is slowly being phased out in favour of fully accessible coding of pages. I think it's getting a bit long in the tooth and there are load issues, but I could be wrong. K -Original Message- From: Gordon Joly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 November 2005 10:08 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Cc: Kim Plowright; Jonathan Chetwynd Subject: RE: [backstage] iMP: accessibility, is the smell really that bad? http://www.bbc.co.uk/accessibility/ Why is there no text only link on this page? There is on most pages on bbc.co.uk... Feel free to use this! http://www.recursion.co.uk/cgi-bin/betsie.cgi/www.bbc.co.uk/accessibilit y/ No charge! Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// http://www.bbc.co.uk/ This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Auto-tivo...
Leon Brocard wrote: How do you record TV? Leon Currently I have an AverMedia DVB-T card in a Windows box. It's own software is easy to use, if not particualarly feature packed, although you can easily schedule recordings in the future, and also schedule repeat recordings as well. Output is an MPEG2 stream, which I usually convert out to Xvid or Divx for compression/storage purposes. Prior to this I had an analogue WinTV card which I had plugged into a spare digibox I had floating around. This worked well, but image/audio quality wasn't the best, aspect ratios were often incorrect. I've got Sky+ in the front room for She Who Must BE Obeyed's use, and about to build a small mediabox/shuttlepc for the front room to act as a DVD recorder for programs on Sky+ I want to keep (via SVHS/audio inputs) and also the music/MP3 repository. So am looking for suitable capture cards for this. Seán - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
