RE: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?

2007-02-28 Thread Pete Cole
This is an interesting point. The BBC seem to be creating a platform where I have to obtain the equipment (the iPlayer software) from a single vendor - the BBC - why? Accepting for the moment the use of DRM and Microsoft DRM (amply covered in other threads!), why must I use the BBC iPlayer to

Re: [backstage] Ad Blocking (was: HD-DVD how DRM was defeated)

2007-02-28 Thread Andy Leighton
On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 08:45:37PM +, James Cridland wrote: On 2/26/07, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably even worse. Your hurting the website even more - lowering the CTR [1] by registering an impression, yet user has no opportunity to click. [1]

RE: [backstage] Ad Blocking (was: HD-DVD how DRM was defeated)

2007-02-28 Thread Jason Cartwright
Doesn't. Depends whether the ad is good enough for you to click on. Not seen one yet - doubt I ever will. Yet more proof that this list is not indicative of the general internet users (which is understandable). Adverts get clicks and people make money from it. LOTS of money - for instance

Re: [backstage] Coders needed for BBC Weather New Media

2007-02-28 Thread Otu Ekanem
Again Faulty URLS. Me thinks your http://jobs.bbc.co.uk guy/gal should have a read at this. http://www.mikeschinkel.com/blog/welldesignedurlsarebeautiful/ I know ASP doesn't lend itself to composing beautiful URL but there are many a solutions for working around this. On 2/27/07, Kathryn

RE: [backstage] Ad Blocking (was: HD-DVD how DRM was defeated)

2007-02-28 Thread Andrew Bowden
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Cridland On 2/26/07, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably even worse. Your hurting the website even more - lowering the CTR [1] by registering an

RE: [backstage] Ad Blocking (was: HD-DVD how DRM was defeated)

2007-02-28 Thread zen16083
I think Jason makes a very good point in his mail below: advertising does work. This is especially true with the context based ads served by companies like Google where when you visit websites you can usually find ads that are relevant to what you are already looking at. They are just the same as

RE: [backstage] Coders needed for BBC Weather New Media

2007-02-28 Thread Jason Cartwright
The choice of scripting language on the server doesn't mean the URLs have to be any particular way, usually. Its perfectly possible to get nice looking URLs using IIS/ASP. View-Source fans and usability bods should note that jobs.bbc.co.uk is nothing to do with the BBC technically - its managed

Re: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?

2007-02-28 Thread Martin Belam
On a related DRM tip, I just thought I'd chip in with some comments my wife made last night. We download podcasts from the BBC, and from Virgin Radio (thanks Mr Cridland!), but obviously it is all talk related, not full track music content. My wife asked me Are there any podcasts from XFM or

Re: [backstage] Ad Blocking

2007-02-28 Thread vijay chopra
On 27/02/07, James Cridland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/27/07, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED]https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cmtf=0[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Take a site like slashdot, I visit, I like the content, so I decide to white-list. However I find the ads over intrusive so I put

Re: [backstage] Ad Blocking (was: HD-DVD how DRM was defeated)

2007-02-28 Thread vijay chopra
On 28/02/07, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doesn't. Depends whether the ad is good enough for you to click on. Not seen one yet - doubt I ever will. Yet more proof that this list is not indicative of the general internet users (which is understandable). Adverts get clicks and

[backstage] Want a quick bit of beta-testing fun?

2007-02-28 Thread James Cridland
If you're a Virgin Radio VIP, go to *http://www.virginradio.co.uk/listen/*http://www.virginradio.co.uk/listen/and click the link marked participate in our beta (it's just under the Listen live now link if you're logged in). All feedback is very welcome: please use the link you'll find within the

RE: [backstage] Ad Blocking

2007-02-28 Thread Jason Cartwright
Slashdot has put content on a public network, it serves me what I request, there is no obligation on me to request it all. The deal your informally entering into with Slashdot is that in order to pay for your request taking up thier resources you are served an advert. If you don't like this

RE: [backstage] Coders needed for BBC Weather New Media

2007-02-28 Thread Kathryn Schmitt
Apologies again for that. As Jason rightly points out, the jobs website has been outsourced, and is not indicative of the way we like to do things. I will continue to feed these problems back to the people who might be able to do something about it. In the meantime, if anyone *is* interested

[backstage] Freesat

2007-02-28 Thread Scot McSweeney-Roberts
Sorry if this isn't the best place to ask this question, but maybe somebody here knows - is Freesat proposing to launch a set of channels on a different satellite, or is it just an alternative EPG to Sky's? I've looked at the consultation paper, but it doesn't go in to any of the technical

Re: [backstage] Ad Blocking

2007-02-28 Thread Scot McSweeney-Roberts
Jason Cartwright wrote: Slashdot has put content on a public network, it serves me what I request, there is no obligation on me to request it all. The deal your informally entering into with Slashdot is that in order to pay for your request taking up thier resources you are served an

Re: [backstage] Ad Blocking

2007-02-28 Thread vijay chopra
On 28/02/07, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Slashdot has put content on a public network, it serves me what I request, there is no obligation on me to request it all. The deal your informally entering into with Slashdot is that in order to pay for your request taking up thier

Re: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?

2007-02-28 Thread Dave Crossland
On 28/02/07, Deirdre Harvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is there a way you could implement it that doesn't compromise the public at the expense of the people with the temporary monopoly rights? There is a hidden assumption here: that the monopolists are elevated to the same level of importance

Re: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?

2007-02-28 Thread Dave Crossland
On 28/02/07, Martin Belam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wouldn't care if I could only listen to it once and it just blew up Separating fools from their freedom is wrong. The fact that the fools participate voluntarily does not excuse it. DRM is a predatory scheme that creates subjugation. Even

RE: [backstage] Ad Blocking

2007-02-28 Thread Jason Cartwright
Ok Vijay. You win. Everybody block those evil adverts, and those fools who educate and entertain me everyday (for free) can sod off down the dole office. J From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of vijay chopra Sent: 28 February 2007 12:27

RE: [backstage] Ad Blocking

2007-02-28 Thread Thomas Leitch
You know, I'm with you here. I was just about to write a good ol' retort to the frankly ridiculous assertions by Vijay. But then I realised some people refuse to engage in sensible discourse. Oh and remind me - which plug is it for free access to the public internet ? tom

RE: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?

2007-02-28 Thread Christopher Woods
-Original Message- From: Deirdre Harvey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 February 2007 12:32 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM? If there's a demand for that kind of service, is there a way you could implement it

Re: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?

2007-02-28 Thread Dave Crossland
On 28/02/07, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It never set out to make them happy: It set out to give them freedom. Who would have thought a conversation about the concept of people watching TopGear a couple of days late could end up at this melodramatic line? Who would have thought

RE: [backstage] Freesat

2007-02-28 Thread Andrew Bowden
Sorry if this isn't the best place to ask this question, but maybe somebody here knows - is Freesat proposing to launch a set of channels on a different satellite, or is it just an alternative EPG to Sky's? The plan appears to be to just re-use what's already on the satellites, but put

Re: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?

2007-02-28 Thread Dave Crossland
On 28/02/07, Deirdre Harvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't think of a workable solution yeah, me neither. so is it ok to say to someone you can't have what you want because even though it's technically possible it is not ethically possible? I don't know. Please explain why permitting the

RE: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?

2007-02-28 Thread Andrew Bowden
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 28/02/07, Deirdre Harvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't think of a workable solution yeah, me neither. so is it ok to say to someone you can't have what you want because even though it's technically possible it is not ethically possible? I don't know.

RE: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?

2007-02-28 Thread Jason Cartwright
Anyone who understands the rights and commercial impact issues. J -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Crossland Sent: 28 February 2007 13:48 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards

Re: [backstage] Want a quick bit of beta-testing fun?

2007-02-28 Thread vijay chopra
On 28/02/07, Jakob Fix [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Something we're lacking in the UK is a Pandora ( http://pandora.com/) like service; indeed, I had to put an American Zip code in to continue to use it, it seems there is a gap in the market for someone to fill. what about last.fm by the

RE: [backstage] http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/default.stm

2007-02-28 Thread Kevin Hinde
And whilst asking, how does the Beeb choose the FROM THE BLOGOSPHERE comments? A journalist reads the blogosphere, and chooses something. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.

[backstage] Manchester leg of university tour

2007-02-28 Thread Daniel Morris
Hey, If there's any north-western people on the list, there's going to be an evening version of the uni talk. If you're interested, sign up on the event-wax page; http://geek-up.eventwax.com/admin/bbc-backstage-talk Talk will start around half six, pub afterwards! If you want any more info,

Re: [backstage] Manchester leg of university tour

2007-02-28 Thread Sam Smith
On Wed, 28 Feb 2007, Daniel Morris wrote: If there's any north-western people on the list, there's going to be an evening version of the uni talk. If you're interested, sign up on the event-wax page; http://geek-up.eventwax.com/admin/bbc-backstage-talk Is the signup for this supposed to be a

Re: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?

2007-02-28 Thread Kirk Northrop
Andrew Bowden wrote: That means they won't come to my DVD store [2]. Boo! They might never have come though. -- Kirk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive:

Re: [backstage] Ad Blocking

2007-02-28 Thread Kirk Northrop
vijay chopra wrote: As a final note, as a result of this conversation, I decided to check out the subscription price at slashdot, at $5 (£2.62) I ended up buying one... decide for yourself what that says about me. It says I reply to every single e-mail on this list with an inane and largely

Re: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?

2007-02-28 Thread Andy
Can someone explain how copyright itself is ethical? Maybe I should explain why it is in itself immoral. Why do things cost money? What is the purpose of price? Economics would say Price is used to distribute scarce resources Where a scarce resource is one which has a finite limit. This

Re: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?

2007-02-28 Thread Mario Menti
On 2/28/07, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The claim is partly misleading because the word loss suggests events of a very different nature--events in which something they have is taken away from them. For example, if the store's stock of DVDs were burned, or if the money in the till

Re: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?

2007-02-28 Thread Dave Crossland
On 28/02/07, Mario Menti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In just about every definition, loss can mean being deprived of something, regardless of whether you physically possessed that thing in the first place. What loss are rights holders taking? -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk

RE: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?

2007-02-28 Thread Christopher Woods
_ From: Mario Menti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 February 2007 22:59 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM? On 2/28/07, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The claim is partly misleading because the word loss