On 12/06/07, Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's the main
point - the BBC is the wrong target here.
The BBC is very much the right target. When the trend it to move awayfrom
proprietary software and lock-in formats, the the BBC is fastbecoming one large
advert for Microsoft. First
5. ...and then you spoil your reaonable arguments by going
off into
one. What you can't argue with is the fact that the BBC is
constrained by the legal requirements (copyright et al)
placed on the
content by third parties. The BBC cannot simply take a unilateral
decision to
On Tuesday 12 June 2007 01:51, Andy wrote:
What is a scarce resource? Anything with a finite supply.
...
You talk of compensating the creators. You seem to be under the
impression that we live in a meritocracy and that people are payed
money based on their worth.
I'm picking this out because
*scraps similar but far less well-written email*
*Applause*
Cheers,
Rich.
On 6/12/07, Michael Sparks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tuesday 12 June 2007 01:51, Andy wrote:
What is a scarce resource? Anything with a finite supply.
...
You talk of compensating the creators. You seem to be under
On 12/06/07, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Currently, as I understand it, only Microsoft's DRM mechanisms are being
used because contracts signed with rights holders have required the
implementation of a specific window which the BBC can offer such
downloads.
[snip]
Restricting the
Hi Andrew!
Thanks for chipping in with this, it reflects very much what Tom
Loosemore said in the Backstage DRM Podcast - that BBC DRM was a
regrettable but neccessary evil, done only at the behest of the
production companies who feed the BBC.
On 12/06/07, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi gang,
Completely the wrong list one imagines, but with all the current banter
about DRM, cross OS operability, etc etc, it reminds me that I'm yet to get
WMV files to play on my Mac. Specifically these new fangled WMV9/drm
protected thingybobs. Googling such seems to produce people wanting
On 12/06/07, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Having never written or Product Managed the writing of a
reliable DRM
system
No one has ever and no one will ever write or Product Manage
the writing of a reliable DRM system.
There can never be such a thing.
Please don't be taken
On Tuesday 12 June 2007 10:00, Andy wrote:
On 12/06/07, Michael Sparks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There's an interesting point that I read a while back intelligence is
the scarcest resource. And if you think about it, in many respects from
a human perspective this is true. So we divide up
On 6/12/07, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip all fair enough and I'm pretty much in agreement. However]
So while I, personally, won't be using any CC-NC licenses, and willnot
recommend them to others, I won't cuss you for using them. If youuse any of
the retired,
On 12/06/07, Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Come on - how many of you have ever heard your mum exclaiming Oh, why
does my content have to come with DRM???
My sister had an iPod. Her computer broke. She got a new one. She put
the iPod in to copy the music back to the new computer.
On 12/06/07, Tim Cowlishaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I, personally, won't be using any CC-NC licenses, and will not
recommend them to others
Hmmm... this was really my point - by reccomending magnatune's model of
selling licences (for commercial re-use of artistic goods that are available
No. That's either your sister not telling the whole truth (Did you
click the button that says 'Wipe My iPod?), or Apple's crap software.
I don't use iTunes (although I know people who successfully use it
over multiple machines and love it), although a quick Google search
comes up with the
I think the problem is more not that people want rid of DRM just
because they can, it's more that people like to consume their media in
a way suitable to them. If BBC programmes become available I would
like to watch on my PSP on the way into work, not just at my PC within
a BBC skinned
On 6/12/07, oliver wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi gang,
Completely the wrong list one imagines, but with all the current banter
about DRM, cross OS operability, etc etc, it reminds me that I'm yet to get
WMV files to play on my Mac. Specifically these new fangled WMV9/drm
protected
On 12/06/07, Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No. That's either your sister not telling the whole truth (Did you
click the button that says 'Wipe My iPod?), or Apple's crap software.
The alert box your sister would have got actually says:
The point isn't the alert box's wording.
On 12/06/07, Matt Rink [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think the problem is more not that people want rid of DRM just
because they can, it's more that ... Alot of average (non-techie)
users are buying iPods and using iTunes
not realising that everything that what they have downloaded can only
be
On 12/06/07, Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
DRM is very simple to implement, simple put an XML header at the front
of the media file detailing what can or can not be done with content.
Job Done.
So it can be bypassed but then all software implemented DRM has that
flaw there is nothing
On 12/06/07, Tom Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
DRM MADE MY SISTER CRY.
An all-too-common story
Thanks for backing me up on this one :-)
but (and I hate to say this) it only proves
that you need to keep good backups and that the iPod's Music Mode is
not a backup (without the use of
Hi Jeremy!
On 12/06/07, Jeremy Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- As Richard said..Listen Again will still be available
Listen Again is in proprietary Real Media format. The BBC should
adopt free formats like Ogg Vorbis.
- We will also be working (or already are) on propositions for cable,
On 12/06/07, Jeremy Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Good luck to ITV.com btw . Has it launched yet ;)
The new soaps section of http://www.itv.com has live streams and
catch up service right now. Guess that came out this week.
I'd say this was the first of its kind in the UK - gratis live
Hi David!
On 12/06/07, David Greaves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If however you say making a copy of this DVD for your own use (eg in case of
damage) is OK but it is wrong to give it away or sell it. Please don't do that.
Then you are actually treating the consumer as a reasonable person.
No,
At 13:38 +0100 12/6/07, Dave Crossland wrote:
Hi Jeremy!
On 12/06/07, Jeremy Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- As Richard said..Listen Again will still be available
Listen Again is in proprietary Real Media format. The BBC should
adopt free formats like Ogg Vorbis.
- We will also be
Exactly, ask any parent not to teach their kids to share it
is part of the total fabric of society.
Sometimes I think the business world has completely lost it. There
are many neutral ways to influence, and believing in the choice of
the customer is surely a mainstay of any
The vast majority of users are quite happy to use the content as it's
provided, and have no problems doing that.
(I ask this politely) On what basis do you say that?
I don't know anyone who is happy with DRM. My 70 year-old neighbour refuses
to buy DRM material just on the principle that rights
On 12/06/07, Gordon Joly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I feel that GNU Copyleft is inferior to Creative Commons Licences.
And GNU Copyleft is a virus.
Creative Commons licenses use copyleft, and they recommend the GPL for software.
http://creativecommons.org/license/cc-gpl
--
Regards,
Dave
-
Hi Tom!
On 12/06/07, Tom Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The argument for us for the iPlayer is a bit like the argument for
God. Of course, none of us are going to [believe in/use] [God/the
iPlayer], we're not that stupid. But the ignorant proletariat out
there needs a [comfort blanket/DRM
On 12/06/07, Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ah yes. An insecure-by-design DRM scheme. Well that's useful, isn't
it.
Can't be worse the defective by design DRM we have now
A Digital Rights Management system that doesn't actually allow
you to manage anything.
You've just
Actually the ones who are watching again on their PCs are already getting
it DRM free:
via bittorrent or eMule etc.
and just find a non-techie friend who wants their Fairplay encumbered music
to work on their non-apple MP3 player; then tell me that people don't want
DRM free content.
Vijay.
On
Google Map Symbols Key
how is it possible to add symbols to google maps?
in addition to the current drawing-pin or text-bubbles.
my hack demo: http://www.peepo.co.uk/temp/moulin/moulin.svg
valuable prize for adding location and text.
Example keys:
Ordinance Survey:
oops,
please use safari-webkit for best experience of demo...
cheers
Jonathan Chetwynd
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Dave Crossland wrote:
Hi David!
On 12/06/07, David Greaves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If however you say making a copy of this DVD for your own use (eg in
case of
damage) is OK but it is wrong to give it away or sell it. Please don't
do that.
Then you are actually treating the consumer as a
Hi Jonathan,
There's an example of what (I think) you want at
www.sdldev.co.uk/weather/map.asp
All the code's in the source.
Cheers,
Rich.
On 6/12/07, ~:'' ありがとうございました。 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Google Map Symbols Key
how is it possible to add symbols to google maps?
in addition to the
On Tue, 2007-06-12 at 00:50 +0100, Richard Lockwood wrote:
Andy,
You've completely missed the point of my argument.
While we can bicker over the technical details of DRM systems involved,
the fact is that the majority of facts presented in that letter are
not facts at all. Let's go
Hi David!
On 12/06/07, David Greaves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 12/06/07, David Greaves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If however you say making a copy of this DVD for your own use (eg in
case of
damage) is OK but it is wrong to give it away or sell it. Please don't
do that.
Then you are
On 13/06/07, Christopher Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
entirely). And that's why DRM discussion will just go round in circles until
someone comes along which exhibits a demonstrable downside, which is both
immediately explainable and fully obvious to the general tech-using
population. Something
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