Re: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC

[Gordon Joly]

At 17:03 + 19/2/07, Mr I Forrester wrote:
Yep we actually think it might be one of the first, hence - 
http://www.cubicgarden.com/blojsom/blog/cubicgarden/media/2007/02/15/Is-the-BBC-Backstage-podcast-the-first-CC-licenced-piece-from-the-BBC.html




Nice one!


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RE: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC

[Gordon Joly]

So, the BBC is using a standard Creative Commons Licence?

OK. Which one?

Gordon.



At 15:18 + 19/2/07, Matthew Cashmore wrote:

Hi Gordon - nope an honest as you like Creative Commons Licence - no BBC
fudge at all.

m

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At 09:20 + 13/2/07, Mr I Forrester wrote:

And overnight we got Boingboing'ed -
http://www.boingboing.net/2007/02/12/bbc_techies_talk_drm.html

Off the bat, I would say Cory has taken some of the simple stuff and
ran with it... The debate was a lot more complex that suggested in
BoingBoing

Cheers,

Ian




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Re: [backstage] BBCHD Free to Air and SKY (non SKY+)

[Dave Whitehead]

Will make no difference as all Sky HD currently use the DVB-S2 spec, will only 
affect people like me who are only use FTA decoders which are not the most upto 
date.

Dave

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  Subject: Re: [backstage] BBCHD Free to Air and SKY (non SKY+)


  On 2/13/07, Dave Whitehead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Couple of things to be aware of:- 
1 - The BBCHD trail channel on satellite is only guaranteed till May this 
year - nothing yet on an extension to the trial (just hints Re:Wimbledon in 
June)
2 - If BBCHD trail channel changes to DVB-S2 spec then your need to buy a 
card that supports this - these are currently alot more expensive

  As a Sky HD customer: what happens if the BBC HD trial does change to this 
new spec? Will I still be able to receive it?

  (Picture quality for sport and nature is stunning; for drama it's less 
impressive, by the way). 


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Re: [backstage] BBCHD Free to Air and SKY (non SKY+)

[Dave Whitehead]

Try following but only BBC is FTA at the mo, rest of the channels are Sky

http://en.kingofsat.net/pos-28.2E.php


Dave

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  Subject: Re: [backstage] BBCHD Free to Air and SKY (non SKY+)


  thanks for input guys..
  is there anywhere on web that states what FTA HD channels can be picked up on 
astra 2?... BBC and CANAL or more?..

  James Cridland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 2/13/07, Dave Whitehead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
  Couple of things to be aware of:- 
  1 - The BBCHD trail channel on satellite is only guaranteed till May this 
year - nothing yet on an extension to the trial (just hints Re:Wimbledon in 
June)
  2 - If BBCHD trail channel changes to DVB-S2 spec then your need to buy a 
card that supports this - these are currently alot more expensive

As a Sky HD customer: what happens if the BBC HD trial does change to this 
new spec? Will I still be able to receive it?

(Picture quality for sport and nature is stunning; for drama it's less 
impressive, by the way). 


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Re: [backstage] BBCHD Free to Air and SKY (non SKY+)

[Dave Ruislip]

thanks for input guys..
  is there anywhere on web that states what FTA HD channels can be picked up on 
astra 2?... BBC and CANAL or more?..

James Cridland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  On 2/13/07, Dave Whitehead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Couple of things 
to be aware of:-   1 - The BBCHD trail channel on satellite is only guaranteed 
till May this year - nothing yet on an extension to the trial (just hints 
Re:Wimbledon in June)
  2 - If BBCHD trail channel changes to DVB-S2 spec then your need to buy a 
card that supports this - these are currently alot more expensive

  
As a Sky HD customer: what happens if the BBC HD trial does change to this new 
spec? Will I still be able to receive it?

(Picture quality for sport and nature is stunning; for drama it's less 
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RE: [backstage] University Tour dates

[Graham Gillies]

hello,

i'm a list-lurker (until right now) working in New Media at BBC
Scotland, Glasgow. 

perhaps we could help in arranging something up here? 

regards,

Graham

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Hi Paul,

We plan to go to a lot more places, but we're booked solid this term. 
Summer terms are usually pretty solid for students and staff, so we're 
looking to pick up the pace again in September.
The best thing to do, is drop us a email and we can talk about the tour 
in-depth

Ian

Paul Hart wrote:
> Sounds like a good idea, I'd love to come but there dosent seem to be 
> a scottish venue on the agenda :-(
>
> And I work at the University of Strathclyde...
>
> p

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Re: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC

[Mr I Forrester]

Yep we actually think it might be one of the first, hence - 
http://www.cubicgarden.com/blojsom/blog/cubicgarden/media/2007/02/15/Is-the-BBC-Backstage-podcast-the-first-CC-licenced-piece-from-the-BBC.html


Matthew Cashmore wrote:

Hi Gordon - nope an honest as you like Creative Commons Licence - no BBC
fudge at all.

m 


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Subject: Re: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC

At 09:20 + 13/2/07, Mr I Forrester wrote:
  

And overnight we got Boingboing'ed -
http://www.boingboing.net/2007/02/12/bbc_techies_talk_drm.html

Off the bat, I would say Cory has taken some of the simple stuff and 
ran with it... The debate was a lot more complex that suggested in 
BoingBoing


Cheers,

Ian





"You can download and remix the MPeg3 file or the Ogg Vorbis file. 
Both are licensed under creative commons attribution."


Not true? A BBC fudge licence, not a Creative Commons licence.

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RE: [backstage] News categories: bob's revenge

[Jason Cartwright]

Are you referring to the left-hand-nav on news.bbc.co.uk? Has it
changed?

J

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Subject: [backstage] News categories: bob's revenge

News categories

what bright spark changed the news categories to alphabetical?

africa must now be top of everyone's agenda, what is this bob's revenge.

cheers

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RE: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC

[Matthew Cashmore]

Hi Gordon - nope an honest as you like Creative Commons Licence - no BBC
fudge at all.

m 

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Subject: Re: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC

At 09:20 + 13/2/07, Mr I Forrester wrote:
>And overnight we got Boingboing'ed -
>http://www.boingboing.net/2007/02/12/bbc_techies_talk_drm.html
>
>Off the bat, I would say Cory has taken some of the simple stuff and 
>ran with it... The debate was a lot more complex that suggested in 
>BoingBoing
>
>Cheers,
>
>Ian



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Re: [backstage] University Tour dates

[Mr I Forrester]

Hi Paul,

We plan to go to a lot more places, but we're booked solid this term. 
Summer terms are usually pretty solid for students and staff, so we're 
looking to pick up the pace again in September.
The best thing to do, is drop us a email and we can talk about the tour 
in-depth


Ian

Paul Hart wrote:
Sounds like a good idea, I'd love to come but there dosent seem to be 
a scottish venue on the agenda :-(


And I work at the University of Strathclyde...

p


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RE: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC

[Matthew Cashmore]

Sorry guys we should have been more clear... yes okay the wording may be
a bit misleading but this is the first instalment of the backstage
podcast... the RSS feed is here
 
http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/news/podcast/backstage.xml
 
we should have put that up right away with the first episode - but I
didn't get it written in time so we just put up the first episode for
download. We'll add the video and any future episodes to this feed.
 
To be clear - this is a new regular podcast :-) We aim to maybe do
something about once a month, and we'll take the topics from the mailing
list and invite the people who are most vocal about that issue, and
combine that with some 'experts' :-)
 
Interesting point about the wording of 'podcast' there - I spent the
last two years speaking about just this subject at several conferences
and goodness knows how many briefings - but in the end you're stuck - it
doesn't matter how much you'd like to change it and how much it actually
means nothing... it's in the public conciseness now and can mean
anything from a one off downloaded audio programme, to a syndicated
video feed.
 
m



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On 13/02/07, John Wesley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 


I agree. I spent a good few minutes looking for an RSS feed with
the podcast in it (there are loads of RSS feeds on the site) before just
giving up and grabbing the ogg. 


The MSM (including the BBC) is guilty of doing this all the time, every
time an audio file is made available for download it's labelled a
podcast, for example we've had a podcast from space no rss feed was
there, just a download (can't be bothered to find the link, but it was
sometime last year). And the BBC frequently advertises "download the
podcast from our website" I thought it was the feed that was the
podcast, not the file, but the way it's advertised is that if I go and
manually download a BBC programme, it's just as much a podcast as if I
get my feedreader to do it for me. 

Add to that the fact that I don't own an iPod, just a generic mp3
player, it leaves me wondering is there any real meaning to the word
"podcast" at all?

Re: [backstage] University Tour dates

[Paul Hart]

Sounds like a good idea, I'd love to come but there dosent seem to be a
scottish venue on the agenda :-(

And I work at the University of Strathclyde...

p

On 2/16/07, Gareth Rodger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


The day time part that is on campus.. is that for students of the
University only or can other students/non-students attend?
Kind Regards,
Gareth Rodger

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On 15 Feb 2007, at 10:41, Ian Forrester wrote:

Yes sorry didn't make that clear,

We're doing these colleges at first, but want to do a lot more in the new
academic year.

If you know of any colleges or universities we should be going to, please
drop us a email off list with the name and email address of the lecturer.

Cheers,

Ian Forrester || backstage.bbc.co.uk || cubicgarden.com ||
geekdinner.co.uk
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Will you be coming to Cambridge? If so could you make it next academic
year (ie october onwards) as I will be there!

David

On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 19:21:35 -
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Hi All,

Thought I'd you might all be interested in some confirmed dates for
the Backstage University tour.

Manchester Metropolitan - 5th March
Newcastle - 12-13th March
Northumbria - 14th March
Ravensbourne, Kent - 15th March
Hull Scarborough - 16th March (maybe)

The idea is during the day to be on the university campus and during
the evening/night have a social event near by. We are hoping to partner
with a local social event instead of doing our own exclusive one if
possible.

For example, we're talking to the Geekup guys for Manchester.

Any ideas would be very useful, otherwise we look forward to seeing
more of you guys in person.

Cheers,

Ian Forrester || backstage.bbc.co.uk || cubicgarden.com
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RE: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC

[Matthew Cashmore]

It's okay we're not automating it ;-)

I did it by hand... The old fashioned way... The way my Grandfather
thought me Well you get the point - it took me all of 3 minutes to
do, and given our audience... BUT the interesting point is... Downloads
wise this is how it stacks up...

MP3 - 5117
OGG - 643
WAV - 38

 

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> The automation means that you don't lose any focus.

Erm right, I mean, apart from the time you spend building the automation
into your production process.

And then fixing it when it goes wrong.

And patching and sysadmining the servers running the automation.

And having someone who understands how to support the system.

And briefing your customer service team about it in case they get
queries

etc etc









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> On 18/02/07, James Cridland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > It's possible for all our podcasts to be produced in Ogg Vorbis 
> > automatically, too.
> ...
> > Ultimately, no organisation can spend time servicing 0.01% of people

> > without losing focus for the 99.99% of people.
>
> The automation means that you don't lose any focus.
>
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RE: [backstage] [DRM] Macrovision response to Jobs' Thoughts On Music

[Andrew Bowden]

> http://daringfireball.net/2007/02/macrovision_translation
> Classic :-)

Interestingly what came straight to my mind when reading that was the
case of pirated DVDs and the technology that enables the pirates to make
those DVDs in the first place.

Going into a cinema with a camcorder...

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Re: [backstage] Music, (meta)data, musicbrainz and the BBC

[James Cridland]

This might be interesting and/or relevant to this discussion...


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Sent: 17 February 2007 19:11

To: IWA-Europe/UK-Webcasting

Cc: Philip Haggar; James Cridland; Alex Wolfe

Subject: Re: [iwa-europe] Content description, search and discovery:
cross-media metadata standards...

Hi James,

As the IWA are officially backing the Summit (see their recent
newsletter)...

Those BBC Backstage guys should definitely come along to the Cross-Media
Metadata Summit.

Please could you let your network know too. It's sure to be a very
interesting event...

CROSS-MEDIA SUMMIT for CONTENT DISCOVERY The Strategy, Technology and
Business Case for Content Description, Visibility, Search and Discovery
Friday 9th March 2007, Frontline Club, London, UK Gathering creators, rights
holders and technology experts Moderated by Bob Auger, Technology
Correspondent, Cue Entertainment Sponsored by Kendra Initiative and Makeni

This Summit will bring together business strategy and technical know-how
from all media industry sectors to work through the issues, innovate and
answer the question:

THE UNIVERSAL CATALOGUE - IS THERE THE WILL TO BUILD IT?

How do content owners increase the visibility and discovery of their
content? Do we need more metadata standards for cross-media description?
What's wrong with ones we already have? Does more effort need to be made to
implement those that already exist? Should standards groups build more
end-user tools? What are the drivers for industry adoption? Can we make the
tools simpler and easier to use? What are the requirements of end-users in
the media industry?

Tools enabling metadata aggregation, searching and publishing could be
vastly improved. The lack of support and interoperability is having a
profound impact on the ability of all media industry sectors to monetise
their products.

Bringing together key cross-industry strategists and technologists from
standards, search, image, music and film companies shaping the digital media
marketplace. Aiming to share experiences, discover synergy and innovate.
Identifying areas for further investigation to drive adoption of metadata
syndication ecosystems that enable content owners to increase visibility of
their content.

The day will feature short, sharp business strategy and technology briefings
from many experts. Participants will benefit from the experiences of their
counterparts in other arts and media sectors.

Participants include CEO of ISAN, Head of R&D at MCPS-PRS Alliance,
Principal Engineer for Pioneer Digital Design and Microsoft's DDEX board
member.

See: *http://www.kendra.org.uk* 

Kendra Initiative is a media and technology, academic and industry alliance
of over 500 participants in 40 plus countries. The mission is to foster an
open distributed marketplace for digital media (including films, music,
images, games and text). The initiative researches, recommends and develops
enhancements to the digital media marketplace that will facilitate
interoperability and revenue generation for content owners and service
providers. The cross-industry group is currently investigating content
description, delivery, visibility, search and discovery.

Re: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC

[Martin Belam]

The automation means that you don't lose any focus.


Erm right, I mean, apart from the time you spend building the
automation into your production process.

And then fixing it when it goes wrong.

And patching and sysadmining the servers running the automation.

And having someone who understands how to support the system.

And briefing your customer service team about it in case they get queries

etc etc









On 18/02/07, Dave Crossland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On 18/02/07, James Cridland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> It's possible for all our podcasts to be produced in Ogg Vorbis
> automatically, too.
...
> Ultimately, no organisation can spend time servicing 0.01% of people without
> losing focus for the 99.99% of people.

The automation means that you don't lose any focus.

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