RE: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?

2007-03-01 Thread Andrew Bowden
Andrew Bowden wrote: That means they won't come to my DVD store [2]. Boo! They might never have come though. Pah, you just want them coming in to your online DVD rental store :) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit

RE: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?

2007-03-01 Thread Andrew Bowden
The claim is mostly inaccurate because it presupposes that the friendwould otherwise have bought a copy from the DVD store. That isoccasionally true, but more often false; and when it is false, theclaimed loss does not occur. As people are taking my attempt at humour seriously, I'll have

Re: [backstage] Want a quick bit of beta-testing fun?

2007-03-01 Thread Richard P Edwards
Are there any thoughts of making the new player in to a widget James? On the technical side, Christian O'Connell sounds a lot better this morning. did someone hit the bass button overnight? I have just heard Oasis Live Forever, and it is about 3 dB quieter than a equivalent mp3 copy in

RE: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?

2007-03-01 Thread Andrew Bowden
The media producers are clearly getting a free lunch here, they can sell the same thing again and again, never having to give up any of there own possessions but requiring others to surrender their items in exchange. Lord of the Rings. Three big budget films. How do you think they got

RE: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?

2007-03-01 Thread Andrew Bowden
As this is the Backstage list, has anyone come up with a widget to mash up the most ridiculous and rabid tirades from this and other recent threads with Google maps to produce a huge cloud of red map pins around Shoreditch? Ooh, an archive mash-up! I like that idea :)

RE: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?

2007-03-01 Thread zen16083
I fully respect Andrew's point of view as written below, but - with respect - I struggle to agree with it. Years ago, before PCs and printers, if people wanted anything copied they had to go to the local shop or library where they could use a photocopier. Today, they just use their own scanners

RE: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?

2007-03-01 Thread zen16083
Free lunch? Nah. You've just destroyed the entire model that funded the film. Thousands of people who would have had work, now have none. Sure, some people /might/ buy the official DVD, but others won't. The funding isn't there. If a film company can't produce a film and make money from it

Re: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?

2007-03-01 Thread Richard Lockwood
Yes, the industry model we have NOW may lose out on some sales, but there is no reason why it can't develop and make a good profit using other distribution channels and business models. I think we're in danger of trying to deal with 21st century technology with 19th century thinking and laws.

RE: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?

2007-03-01 Thread Andrew Bowden
Years ago, before PCs and printers, if people wanted anything copied they had to go to the local shop or library where they could use a photocopier. And some of them doing photocopies which breached copyright law too :) Today, they just use their own scanners and printers to make their

RE: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?

2007-03-01 Thread zen16083
So, how do you propose to fund a multi-million pound film in a different business model? I don't propose funding a multi-million pound film, so it is not my concern. If it can be made, it can be made. If it can't be made, it can't be made. If people don't want to pay for films, then don't make

Re: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?

2007-03-01 Thread Scot McSweeney-Roberts
Richard Lockwood wrote: This is the argument that always crops up: Use a different business model. I've yet to hear someone come up with a workable one. Giving the end product away - and allowing everyone else to do the same - is *not* a workable business model. I wonder if there really is

Re: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?

2007-03-01 Thread vijay chopra
On 01/03/07, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If a film company can't produce a film and make money from it through its own distribution model, then in the end it will stop making films. There are plenty of people who would like to make money doing what they like, but can't find a way

[backstage] Traffic Info

2007-03-01 Thread Jason Cartwright
http://www.vecosys.com/2007/03/01/google-adds-traffic-flow-reports-but-t here-is-a-better-way/ Google Maps adds a traffic info layer. Looks rather good, but it's US only at the moment. Example: http://maps.google.com/maps?layer=tz=10ll=41.883876,-87.632446 J

Re: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?

2007-03-01 Thread Scot McSweeney-Roberts
Dave Crossland wrote: On 28/02/07, Mario Menti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In just about every definition, loss can mean being deprived of something, regardless of whether you physically possessed that thing in the first place. What loss are rights holders taking? Loss of potential revenue

Re: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?

2007-03-01 Thread Scot McSweeney-Roberts
Dave Crossland wrote: Consider why authors always cede their rights to publishers, and if they would do this if it was indeed a natural right? I thought that in certain countries (France springs to mind) you can't really cede your copyright to publishers, as copyright really is a

RE: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?

2007-03-01 Thread zen16083
Of course it is about laissez-faire economics: business is, as business always has been. But if he somehow managed to find an investor to stump up the money for just such a boat, with the idea that he would make a profit by selling jaunts on the ship, would you and your mates refuse to pay for a

RE: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?

2007-03-01 Thread zen16083
Please to no more sophomoric nonsense about broken business models and how we need to walk into the shining future without a backward glance. Cool. What you don't understand, you call sophomoric nonsense. Think you've won the argument there, at least with yourself. -Original Message-

Re: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?

2007-03-01 Thread Tim Cowlishaw
On 3/1/07, Scot McSweeney-Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought that in certain countries (France springs to mind) you can't really cede your copyright to publishers, as copyright really is a considered a natural right. I think you might mean Moral Rights (the Droit Moral), as opposed

Re: [backstage] Traffic Info

2007-03-01 Thread vijay chopra
On 01/03/07, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.vecosys.com/2007/03/01/google-adds-traffic-flow-reports-but-there-is-a-better-way/ Google Maps adds a traffic info layer. Looks rather good, but it's US only at the moment. Example:

Re: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?

2007-03-01 Thread Dave Crossland
On 01/03/07, Deirdre Harvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, how do you propose to fund a multi-million pound film in a different business model? I don't propose funding a multi-million pound film, so it is not my concern. OK, so this isn't about ethics then, it's about dogmatic laissez-faire

RE: [backstage] Traffic Info

2007-03-01 Thread Jeremy Stone
Also the vecosys post also refers to this UK start up that is using UK traffic data and Microsoft's Virtual Earth. http://www.dotnetsolutions.ltd.uk/evidence/web20/trafficeye/ A Microsoft Live! Local Web 2.0 Mash-up that combines real time traffic information with a rich, interactive map allowing

Re: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?

2007-03-01 Thread Scot McSweeney-Roberts
Dave Crossland wrote: On 01/03/07, Scot McSweeney-Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave Crossland wrote: Consider why authors always cede their rights to publishers, and if they would do this if it was indeed a natural right? I thought that in certain countries (France springs to mind) you

RE: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?

2007-03-01 Thread Andrew Bowden
The film industry can still be financed. Yes, it may not have as much money as it would if everyone had to pay something every time they watched a film. But I don't have as much money as if everyone had to pay me something every time they read an email I wrote. The millions spent on film

RE: [backstage] Traffic Info

2007-03-01 Thread Andrew Bowden
It's certainly interesting as a concept, although I'm cautious on the fact that it doesn't really take into account the speed limits on different roads. Although I've actually no idea how you could take that into account! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [backstage] http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/default.stm

2007-03-01 Thread Andrew Bowden
And whilst asking, how does the Beeb choose the FROM THE BLOGOSPHERE comments? A journalist reads the blogosphere, and chooses something. The whole blogosphere? Good job :) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit

Re: [backstage] Traffic Info

2007-03-01 Thread Kirk Northrop
Jason Cartwright wrote: I just want to know the effect its going to have on my journey time. Google's does this with a ridiciously-easy-to-visually-parse colour coding of the traffic speed. This boils down all the one lane closed due to barrier repairs crap into something far more usable. This

RE: [backstage] Traffic Info

2007-03-01 Thread Andrew Bowden
That however was my problem with it - the colour coding is easy but simplistic. A motorway going at 30 mph for me, says bad and wrong, but under Google's colour coding, that's a yellow. Meanwhile, (say) an road A-road [1] in a suburban area with a 30mph would be classed as yellow even though

RE: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?

2007-03-01 Thread Deirdre Harvey
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Crossland Sent: 01 March 2007 10:59 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM? But change is good. For someone so enamoured of

Re: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?

2007-03-01 Thread Dave Crossland
On 01/03/07, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But change is good. Is it. I think so. There are many rural communities than shun progress alot, and a few like the Amish that do a lot. I like change, because in change there is opportunity :-) I can't see Lord of the Rings ever getting

Re: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?

2007-03-01 Thread Dave Crossland
On 01/03/07, Deirdre Harvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But change is good. For someone so enamoured of accusing everyone of having hidden assumptions you are finding it pretty easy to ignore the huge assumption at the centre of your argument. Please explain what you think this is :-) I

Re: [backstage] Traffic Info

2007-03-01 Thread Scot McSweeney-Roberts
Andrew Bowden wrote: It's certainly interesting as a concept, although I'm cautious on the fact that it doesn't really take into account the speed limits on different roads. Although I've actually no idea how you could take that into account!

RE: [backstage] Traffic Info

2007-03-01 Thread Christopher Woods
I'd do that kind of thing around Birmingham if my GPS receiver worked amongst all those multi-storey buildings - I've tried before, dismal failure. That said, my phone (Hermes) apparently has a dormant, disconnected GPS chip in which can be activated with a firmware flash, so that's something to

Re: [backstage] Traffic Info

2007-03-01 Thread Ian
Hi, I've still yet to do anything towards this, but you might find http://upcoming.org/event/153405/ The State of the Map ( Open Source Streetmap Conference) and http://upcoming.org/event/155807/ (Sheffield Mapping Party) of interest. Cheers Ian I'll create the database, if you drive every