Re: [backstage] new prototype, geoRss feeds for travel data
Sorry guys, Its one of our tasks we meant to sit down and do this week sometime. Sorry to everyone who has sent us prototypes and ideas recently. We as you can imagine get a lot of spam through those forms which makes looking through the responses a more time consuming that it really should be. Thanks again, Ian Davy Mitchell wrote: You're waiting too eh? :-) Davy - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] xmltv.radiotimes.com
Hi all, Really sorry you've been having problems with the xmltv data feeds on the radiotimes.com site. As you're aware, we've been having some performance issues over the last couple of weeks which we're working continuously to resolve. The xmltv service is now restored. Please let us know if you have any further problems with this through the usual address: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Simon Pearson
Re: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u me
I thought it was 84.3% of stats that were made up? Someone is clearly skewing the market against made up statistics. I suspect it is more Microsoft FUD myself. :-) m On 10/04/07, Christopher Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pfft. I'm rather dismissive of numbers and comparisons such as these, particularly when over 74.3% of all statistics are made up anyway. -Original Message- From: Brian Butterworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 April 2007 16:53 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u me Yes, but you can always get a massive percentage increase from something when it starts out at 1.75% of the market. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 April 2007 14:47 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u me I realised the error after sending the message ;-( Still, a significant rise for the Macs and a further indication that the OS ground does appear to be shifting. Would be interesting to know if that is reflected in stats for other companies. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 2:31 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u me It would be for one month, but it's actually for sixteen... Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 April 2007 14:21 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u me Seems like a lot of Mac growth in a single month.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 2:04 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u me Isn't the first, great mistake that people make with statistics to believe that everyone else does what they do? Assume makes an ass out of u and me... Can I refer people to this message, just posted which shows a 64% increase in Mac usage (to 2.87%), and a 1% drop in Windows usage (to 96.39%)... Real hard evidence, people! Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv --- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Cridland Sent: 06 April 2007 20:36 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Browser Stats I'm coming late to this discussion, as always, but if you're interested, here's the information from virginradio.co.uk (sitewide). Visits by operating system in March 2007 (compared with November 2005) Windows: 96.39% (was 97.45%) Macintosh: 2.87% (was 1.75%) Linux: 0.48% (was 0.55%) Unknown: 0.25% (was 0.21%) SunOS: 0.01% (was 0.03%) FreeBSD: 34 visits OS/2: 5 visits OpenBSD 1 visit -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kirk Northrop Sent: 10 April 2007 12:57 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] OS choice Jason Cartwright wrote: I've recently 'switched' [1] (damn you Apple marketing dept!) from an XP desktop to a Macbook as my main computer. Its been almost flawless (unlike all the Vista problems we keep hearing about), and a bit of revelation after being a complete Windowsite since 3.0. Sorry, but Me too. Almost exactly the same story. On a Mac Mini though, so it's a bit slow! -- From the North, this is Kirk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.0.0/754 - Release Date: 09/04/2007 22:59 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.0.0/754 - Release Date: 09/04/2007 22:59 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- No virus found in
RE: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u me
It has generally all been downhill since AmigaOS and WorkBench 2.0 Hasn't been any fun operating systems for a very long time -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Belam Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:13 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u me I thought it was 84.3% of stats that were made up? Someone is clearly skewing the market against made up statistics. I suspect it is more Microsoft FUD myself. :-) m On 10/04/07, Christopher Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pfft. I'm rather dismissive of numbers and comparisons such as these, particularly when over 74.3% of all statistics are made up anyway. -Original Message- From: Brian Butterworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 April 2007 16:53 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u me Yes, but you can always get a massive percentage increase from something when it starts out at 1.75% of the market. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 April 2007 14:47 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u me I realised the error after sending the message ;-( Still, a significant rise for the Macs and a further indication that the OS ground does appear to be shifting. Would be interesting to know if that is reflected in stats for other companies. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 2:31 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u me It would be for one month, but it's actually for sixteen... Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 April 2007 14:21 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u me Seems like a lot of Mac growth in a single month.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 2:04 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u me Isn't the first, great mistake that people make with statistics to believe that everyone else does what they do? Assume makes an ass out of u and me... Can I refer people to this message, just posted which shows a 64% increase in Mac usage (to 2.87%), and a 1% drop in Windows usage (to 96.39%)... Real hard evidence, people! Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv --- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Cridland Sent: 06 April 2007 20:36 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Browser Stats I'm coming late to this discussion, as always, but if you're interested, here's the information from virginradio.co.uk (sitewide). Visits by operating system in March 2007 (compared with November 2005) Windows: 96.39% (was 97.45%) Macintosh: 2.87% (was 1.75%) Linux: 0.48% (was 0.55%) Unknown: 0.25% (was 0.21%) SunOS: 0.01% (was 0.03%) FreeBSD: 34 visits OS/2: 5 visits OpenBSD 1 visit -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kirk Northrop Sent: 10 April 2007 12:57 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] OS choice Jason Cartwright wrote: I've recently 'switched' [1] (damn you Apple marketing dept!) from an XP desktop to a Macbook as my main computer. Its been almost flawless (unlike all the Vista problems we keep hearing about), and a bit of revelation after being a complete Windowsite since 3.0. Sorry, but Me too. Almost exactly the same story. On a Mac Mini though, so it's a bit slow! -- From the North, this is Kirk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.0.0/754 - Release Date: 09/04/2007 22:59 --
[backstage] Google Developer Day
Not sure if anyone has mentioned, but Google is planning a Developer day on 31st May. Spaces are limited, but you can sign up at http://www.google.com/events/developerday/en_GB/details.html Adam - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Multicast Trial
At 02:39 +0100 11/4/07, Christopher Woods wrote: ... That are totally reliant on the willingness of each individual higher education institution to implement multicast on their own internal networks to enable the functionality of the wider ja.net network as a whole. I think the whole situation boils down to the simple fact that it's just not cost-effective enough for most service providers to actually implement multicast, so they don't bother. Value addeed? Which is really annoying, because it's really holding back the takeup of IPTV imho. That, and the unfortunate situation most ISPs have whereby they're burdened with BT's prohibitive pricing structure, to boot. I still do not understand why multicast is not a huge hit. But I guess money may be the issue. The mobile phone trial isn't multicast, is it? Dunno, Gordo -- Think Feynman/ http://pobox.com/~gordo/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]/// - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] backstagers in Edinburgh last week?
Hi All, Was anyone at the Highland Fling/Refresh Edinburgh last week? I'm pretty sure I saw some backstage t-shirts but didn't get a chance to speak to any of you. Olly -- http://ollyjackson.co.uk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] backstagers in Edinburgh last week?
Hi Olly On 11/04/07, Oliver Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, Was anyone at the Highland Fling/Refresh Edinburgh last week? I'm pretty sure I saw some backstage t-shirts but didn't get a chance to speak to any of you. That could well have been me. Shame we didn't bump into each other. For anyone who didn't get along you missed a really good event which will hopefully be on next year as well. Gareth Olly -- http://ollyjackson.co.uk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Gareth Rushgrove morethanseven.net webdesignbookshelf.com refreshnewcastle.org frontendarchitecture.com - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Multicast Trial
On Wednesday 11 April 2007 18:43, Gordon Joly wrote: I still do not understand why multicast is not a huge hit. But I guess money may be the issue. Consider what multicast *really* means. It's not broadcast. It's original usecase, especially if you look at the original usecases in the early RFCs was really for conference call style applications. It means *multi*-casters (and subscribers) to the same group. As a result *anyone* may send to a given multicast group, and everyone subscribed *MUST* receive. Furthermore you do not need to be a member of that group to send to the group. How many people can send to a group? How much state do you normally require a router to maintain for 10,000 web connections or streaming connection? Zero. How much state would you need for 10,000 multicast groups? 1,000,000 groups? How much bandwidth does a subscriber you need if you have 100 people sending 64Kbit/s (moderately OK audio) to a single multicast group? Michael. -- Multicast is not Broadcast The Internet is not TV - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] [Fwd: Fwd: Twitter Fever]
This came from a friend of mine today... --- Nearly didn't bother reading the usual Twitter guff... Going Hollywood My friend Greg directs tv shows and films and he's got a new series premiering on FOX this Sunday night called Drive. The show was created by the same guy who made Firefly and stars the same lead actor, Nathan Fillion. Greg is going to do Twitter-style director's commentary during the premiere. Follow along if you like, just text FOLLOW FOXDRIVE to 40404 or visit the foxdrive profile page: http://twitter.com/foxdrive But this is smart. --- When I first read it, I thought FOX were doing this. But it actually looks like Nathan Fillion is doing it off his own back? Anyway, I wanted to gage people views, if this was good or bad use of twitter? For example how would you guys feel if you could follow a commentary while watching Dr Who or a different commentary on a live sporting event? How about something longer term? like being able to follow the doctor around during the week? Cheers, Ian Forrester - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] [Fwd: Fwd: Twitter Fever]
Mr I Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How about something longer term? like being able to follow the doctor around during the week? Can anyone follow twitter these days? It's so s l o w . I think the beeb is missing a trick in not doing something like the dath vader/luke skywalker twitters. A dr and a dalek would be cool marketing. And when you need to do some spicy baddie marketing, say to introduce the master, the dalek could be a friend of a twitter feed for that event. -- Nic Ferrier http://www.tapsellferrier.co.uk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] [Fwd: Fwd: Twitter Fever]
Nathan Fillion and the entire ex Firefly cast are really genuine and engaged people. I don't know if I will be watching the first season of Drive though - twitter or not. Tim Minear (the creator) has created 3 shows for FOX in a row. Each one canceled in season 1 (Firefly - with Joss, Wonderfalls and The Inside). If it survives season 1 then I will go... purchase it from iTunes :) Chris On 4/12/07, Mr I Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This came from a friend of mine today... --- Nearly didn't bother reading the usual Twitter guff... Going Hollywood My friend Greg directs tv shows and films and he's got a new series premiering on FOX this Sunday night called Drive. The show was created by the same guy who made Firefly and stars the same lead actor, Nathan Fillion. Greg is going to do Twitter-style director's commentary during the premiere. Follow along if you like, just text FOLLOW FOXDRIVE to 40404 or visit the foxdrive profile page: http://twitter.com/foxdrive But this is smart. --- When I first read it, I thought FOX were doing this. But it actually looks like Nathan Fillion is doing it off his own back? Anyway, I wanted to gage people views, if this was good or bad use of twitter? For example how would you guys feel if you could follow a commentary while watching Dr Who or a different commentary on a live sporting event? How about something longer term? like being able to follow the doctor around during the week? Cheers, Ian Forrester - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Chris Saad Faraday Media - For Audiences of One Touchstone - Are You Paying Attention?
Re: [backstage] Google Developer Day
Damm I missed it! Wow they really cranked this up a notch this year!!! Ian Adam Leach wrote: Not sure if anyone has mentioned, but Google is planning a Developer day on 31st May. Spaces are limited, but you can sign up at http://www.google.com/events/developerday/en_GB/details.html Adam - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u me
Obviously I would need to stick up for the Atari. Booted in 4 seconds flat, Midi built in as standard, GEM desktop and memory up to 4 meg. I was sad enough to buy 4meg of memory, 110meg hard drive and believe it or not a 14.4k zoom modem (because 9.6k was too slow). My first email experience and a awesome machine. Christopher Woods wrote: I always liked my Acorn OS (RISC OS) - booted in about five seconds from the moment it was powered up, ArcFS filesystem was 'quirky' but worked really well and I loved the dynamic memory allocation you could do just by sliding the percentages of bars to give certain apps more system resources. Plus I just plain loved the interface - and no problems even if your games had viruses in, because (on my model at least, the A3000) it had no hard drive so when you power it off: bingo, no more volatile memory :D Had a MIDI card in mine and everything, my old secondary school still uses an old A500 for their internal teletext system (they have screens up around the main entrance etc which shows various bits and bobs of info), and they used to have another Acorn working as a ceefax receiver in their IT room (this was a good decade ago) but they had them all through the school as well, networked and all. I remember when they got a RISC PC... Yummy. That was years ahead of its time, it even emulated Windows 95 perfectly. Never mind Mac OS and Windows, my first computer was an Acorn and I still have a soft spot for it in my heart :) -Original Message- From: Mark Hewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 April 2007 15:39 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u me It has generally all been downhill since AmigaOS and WorkBench 2.0 Hasn't been any fun operating systems for a very long time -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Belam Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:13 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u me I thought it was 84.3% of stats that were made up? Someone is clearly skewing the market against made up statistics. I suspect it is more Microsoft FUD myself. :-) m On 10/04/07, Christopher Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pfft. I'm rather dismissive of numbers and comparisons such as these, particularly when over 74.3% of all statistics are made up anyway. -Original Message- From: Brian Butterworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 April 2007 16:53 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u me Yes, but you can always get a massive percentage increase from something when it starts out at 1.75% of the market. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 April 2007 14:47 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u me I realised the error after sending the message ;-( Still, a significant rise for the Macs and a further indication that the OS ground does appear to be shifting. Would be interesting to know if that is reflected in stats for other companies. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 2:31 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u me It would be for one month, but it's actually for sixteen... Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 April 2007 14:21 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u me Seems like a lot of Mac growth in a single month.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 2:04 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u me Isn't the first, great mistake that people make with statistics to believe that everyone else does what they do? Assume makes an ass out of u and me... Can I refer people to this message, just posted which shows a 64% increase in Mac usage (to 2.87%), and a 1% drop in Windows usage (to 96.39%)... Real hard evidence, people! Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv --- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Cridland Sent: 06 April 2007 20:36 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Browser Stats I'm coming late to this discussion, as always, but if you're interested, here's the information
Re: [backstage] [Fwd: Fwd: Twitter Fever]
Nic James Ferrier wrote: Mr I Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How about something longer term? like being able to follow the doctor around during the week? Can anyone follow twitter these days? It's so s l o w . I did talk to the twitter guys about this issue. I think from there point of view, they never said twitter was meant to be a real time system. It just behaved like that from the start. I think the beeb is missing a trick in not doing something like the dath vader/luke skywalker twitters. A dr and a dalek would be cool marketing. It could also be informative, educational and of course highly amusing ;) And when you need to do some spicy baddie marketing, say to introduce the master, the dalek could be a friend of a twitter feed for that event. Indeed, your thinking what i'm thinking :) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] [Fwd: Fwd: Twitter Fever]
Mr I Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I did talk to the twitter guys about this issue. I think from there point of view, they never said twitter was meant to be a real time system. It just behaved like that from the start. They're winding you up. Have you noticed the tricks they're putting in to make you think your updates are going live? When you post the post is added to your list on the client side. It's async-ajaxed to the backend as well. But if you refresh and it hasn't got back yet it disappears from your list. Whoops. I think they know perfectly well how interactive it should be but they've built it wrong and are now playing catch up. Indeed, your thinking what i'm thinking :) Well. We are both brilliant. And cultured. And good looking of course. -- Nic Ferrier http://www.tapsellferrier.co.uk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/