Re: [backstage] new prototype, geoRss feeds for travel data

2007-04-11 Thread Mr I Forrester

Sorry guys,

Its one of our tasks we meant to sit down and do this week sometime.

Sorry to everyone who has sent us prototypes and ideas recently. We as 
you can imagine get a lot of spam through those forms which makes 
looking through the responses a more time consuming that it really 
should be.


Thanks again,

Ian

Davy Mitchell wrote:

You're waiting too eh? :-)

Davy



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Re: [backstage] xmltv.radiotimes.com

2007-04-11 Thread Simon Pearson
Hi all, 
 
Really sorry you've been having problems with the xmltv data feeds on the 
radiotimes.com site. As you're aware, we've been having some performance issues 
over the last couple of weeks which we're working continuously to resolve. The 
xmltv service is now restored. Please let us know if you have any further 
problems with this through the usual address:  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
Simon Pearson


Re: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u me

2007-04-11 Thread Martin Belam

I thought it was 84.3% of stats that were made up?

Someone is clearly skewing the market against made up statistics. I
suspect it is more Microsoft FUD myself.

:-)


m





On 10/04/07, Christopher Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Pfft. I'm rather dismissive of numbers and comparisons such as these,
particularly when over 74.3% of all statistics are made up anyway.

 -Original Message-
 From: Brian Butterworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 10 April 2007 16:53
 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
 Subject: RE: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u  me

 Yes, but you can always get a massive percentage increase
 from something when it starts out at 1.75% of the market.

 Brian Butterworth
 www.ukfree.tv


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  Sent: 10 April 2007 14:47
  To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
  Subject: RE: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u  me
 
  I realised the error after sending the message ;-(
 
  Still, a significant rise for the Macs and a further
 indication that
  the OS ground does appear to be shifting.
  Would be interesting to know if that is reflected in stats
 for other
  companies.
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brian
 Butterworth
  Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 2:31 PM
  To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
  Subject: RE: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u  me
 
  It would be for one month, but it's actually for sixteen...
 
  Brian Butterworth
  www.ukfree.tv
 
 
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   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: 10 April 2007 14:21
   To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
   Subject: RE: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u  me
  
  
   Seems like a lot of Mac growth in a single month..
  
  
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brian
  Butterworth
   Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 2:04 PM
   To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
   Subject: RE: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u  me
  
   Isn't the first, great mistake that people make with
 statistics to
   believe that everyone else does what they do?
  
   Assume makes an ass out of  u and me...
  
   Can I refer people to this message, just posted which shows a 64%
   increase in Mac usage (to 2.87%), and a 1% drop in Windows
  usage (to
   96.39%)...  Real hard evidence, people!
  
   Brian Butterworth
   www.ukfree.tv
  
   ---
  
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
 James Cridland
   Sent: 06 April 2007 20:36
   To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
   Subject: Re: [backstage] Browser Stats
  
   I'm coming late to this discussion, as always, but if you're
   interested, here's the information from virginradio.co.uk
  (sitewide).
  
   Visits by operating system in March 2007 (compared with
  November 2005)
   Windows: 96.39% (was 97.45%)
   Macintosh: 2.87% (was 1.75%)
   Linux: 0.48% (was 0.55%)
   Unknown: 0.25% (was 0.21%)
   SunOS: 0.01% (was 0.03%)
   FreeBSD: 34 visits
   OS/2: 5 visits
   OpenBSD 1 visit
  
  
  
  
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Sent: 10 April 2007 12:57
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Subject: Re: [backstage] OS choice
   
Jason Cartwright wrote:
 I've recently 'switched' [1] (damn you Apple marketing
dept!) from an
 XP desktop to a Macbook as my main computer. Its been
almost flawless
 (unlike all the Vista problems we keep hearing about),
   and a bit of
 revelation after being a complete Windowsite since 3.0.
   
Sorry, but Me too. Almost exactly the same story. On
 a Mac Mini
though, so it's a bit slow!
   
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RE: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u me

2007-04-11 Thread Mark Hewis
It has generally all been downhill since AmigaOS and WorkBench 2.0

Hasn't been any fun operating systems for a very long time

 

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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Belam
 Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:13 PM
 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
 Subject: Re: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u  me
 
 I thought it was 84.3% of stats that were made up?
 
 Someone is clearly skewing the market against made up 
 statistics. I suspect it is more Microsoft FUD myself.
 
 :-)
 
 
 m
 
 
 
 
 
 On 10/04/07, Christopher Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Pfft. I'm rather dismissive of numbers and comparisons such 
 as these, 
  particularly when over 74.3% of all statistics are made up anyway.
 
   -Original Message-
   From: Brian Butterworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: 10 April 2007 16:53
   To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
   Subject: RE: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u  me
  
   Yes, but you can always get a massive percentage increase from 
   something when it starts out at 1.75% of the market.
  
   Brian Butterworth
   www.ukfree.tv
  
  
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 10 April 2007 14:47
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: RE: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u  me
   
I realised the error after sending the message ;-(
   
Still, a significant rise for the Macs and a further
   indication that
the OS ground does appear to be shifting.
Would be interesting to know if that is reflected in stats
   for other
companies.
   
   
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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   Butterworth
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 2:31 PM
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: RE: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u  me
   
It would be for one month, but it's actually for sixteen...
   
Brian Butterworth
www.ukfree.tv
   
   
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 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 10 April 2007 14:21
 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
 Subject: RE: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u  me


 Seems like a lot of Mac growth in a single month..


 -Original Message-
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 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brian
Butterworth
 Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 2:04 PM
 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
 Subject: RE: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u  me

 Isn't the first, great mistake that people make with
   statistics to
 believe that everyone else does what they do?

 Assume makes an ass out of  u and me...

 Can I refer people to this message, just posted which shows a 
 64% increase in Mac usage (to 2.87%), and a 1% drop in Windows
usage (to
 96.39%)...  Real hard evidence, people!

 Brian Butterworth
 www.ukfree.tv

 ---

 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
   James Cridland
 Sent: 06 April 2007 20:36
 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
 Subject: Re: [backstage] Browser Stats

 I'm coming late to this discussion, as always, but if you're 
 interested, here's the information from virginradio.co.uk
(sitewide).

 Visits by operating system in March 2007 (compared with
November 2005)
 Windows: 96.39% (was 97.45%)
 Macintosh: 2.87% (was 1.75%)
 Linux: 0.48% (was 0.55%)
 Unknown: 0.25% (was 0.21%)
 SunOS: 0.01% (was 0.03%)
 FreeBSD: 34 visits
 OS/2: 5 visits
 OpenBSD 1 visit




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  Sent: 10 April 2007 12:57
  To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
  Subject: Re: [backstage] OS choice
 
  Jason Cartwright wrote:
   I've recently 'switched' [1] (damn you Apple marketing
  dept!) from an
   XP desktop to a Macbook as my main computer. Its been
  almost flawless
   (unlike all the Vista problems we keep hearing about),
 and a bit of
   revelation after being a complete Windowsite since 3.0.
 
  Sorry, but Me too. Almost exactly the same story. On
   a Mac Mini
  though, so it's a bit slow!
 
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[backstage] Google Developer Day

2007-04-11 Thread Adam Leach
Not sure if anyone has mentioned, but Google is planning a Developer day 
on 31st May.


Spaces are limited, but you can sign up at 
http://www.google.com/events/developerday/en_GB/details.html


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RE: [backstage] Multicast Trial

2007-04-11 Thread Gordon Joly

At 02:39 +0100 11/4/07, Christopher Woods wrote:

... That are totally reliant on the willingness of each individual higher
education institution to implement multicast on their own internal networks
to enable the functionality of the wider ja.net network as a whole.

I think the whole situation boils down to the simple fact that it's just not
cost-effective enough for most service providers to actually implement
multicast, so they don't bother.



Value addeed?


Which is really annoying, because it's
really holding back the takeup of IPTV imho. That, and the unfortunate
situation most ISPs have whereby they're burdened with BT's prohibitive
pricing structure, to boot.



I still do not understand why multicast is not a huge hit. But I 
guess money may be the issue.




The mobile phone trial isn't multicast, is it?




Dunno,

Gordo



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[backstage] backstagers in Edinburgh last week?

2007-04-11 Thread Oliver Jackson

Hi All,

Was anyone at the Highland Fling/Refresh Edinburgh last week? I'm pretty 
sure I saw some backstage t-shirts but didn't get a chance to speak to 
any of you.


Olly

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Re: [backstage] backstagers in Edinburgh last week?

2007-04-11 Thread gareth rushgrove

Hi Olly

On 11/04/07, Oliver Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi All,

Was anyone at the Highland Fling/Refresh Edinburgh last week? I'm pretty
sure I saw some backstage t-shirts but didn't get a chance to speak to
any of you.



That could well have been me. Shame we didn't bump into each other.

For anyone who didn't get along you missed a really good event which
will hopefully be on next year as well.

Gareth


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Re: [backstage] Multicast Trial

2007-04-11 Thread Michael Sparks
On Wednesday 11 April 2007 18:43, Gordon Joly wrote:
 I still do not understand why multicast is not a huge hit. But I
 guess money may be the issue.

Consider what multicast *really* means. It's not broadcast. It's original 
usecase, especially if you look at the original usecases in the early RFCs 
was really for conference call style applications.

It means *multi*-casters (and subscribers) to the same group.

As a result *anyone* may send to a given multicast group, and everyone 
subscribed *MUST* receive. Furthermore you do not need to be a member of
that group to send to the group.

How many people can send to a group? How much state do you normally require
a router to maintain for 10,000 web connections or streaming connection? Zero.

How much state would you need for 10,000 multicast groups? 1,000,000 groups?
How much bandwidth does a subscriber you need if you have 100 people sending
64Kbit/s (moderately OK audio) to a single multicast group?


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[backstage] [Fwd: Fwd: Twitter Fever]

2007-04-11 Thread Mr I Forrester

This came from a friend of mine today...

---
Nearly didn't bother reading the usual Twitter guff...



Going Hollywood

My friend Greg directs tv shows and films and he's got a new
series premiering on FOX this Sunday night called Drive. The
show was created by the same guy who made Firefly and stars the
same lead actor, Nathan Fillion. Greg is going to do Twitter-style
director's commentary during the premiere. Follow along if you
like, just text FOLLOW FOXDRIVE to 40404 or visit the foxdrive
profile page: http://twitter.com/foxdrive


But this is smart.

---

When I first read it, I thought FOX were doing this. But it actually 
looks like Nathan Fillion is doing it off his own back?


Anyway, I wanted to gage people views, if this was good or bad use of 
twitter? For example how would you guys feel if you could follow a 
commentary while watching Dr Who or a different commentary on a live 
sporting event?


How about something longer term? like being able to follow the doctor 
around during the week?


Cheers,

Ian Forrester
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Re: [backstage] [Fwd: Fwd: Twitter Fever]

2007-04-11 Thread Nic James Ferrier
Mr I Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 How about something longer term? like being able to follow the doctor 
 around during the week?

Can anyone follow twitter these days?

It's so   s l o w .


I think the beeb is missing a trick in not doing something like the
dath vader/luke skywalker twitters.

A dr and a dalek would be cool marketing.

And when you need to do some spicy baddie marketing, say to
introduce the master, the dalek could be a friend of a twitter feed
for that event.

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Re: [backstage] [Fwd: Fwd: Twitter Fever]

2007-04-11 Thread Chris Saad

Nathan Fillion and the entire ex Firefly cast are really genuine and engaged
people.

I don't know if I will be watching the first season of Drive though -
twitter or not. Tim Minear (the creator) has created 3 shows for FOX in a
row. Each one canceled in season 1 (Firefly - with Joss, Wonderfalls and The
Inside).

If it survives season 1 then I will go... purchase it from iTunes :)

Chris

On 4/12/07, Mr I Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


This came from a friend of mine today...

---
Nearly didn't bother reading the usual Twitter guff...


 Going Hollywood

 My friend Greg directs tv shows and films and he's got a new
 series premiering on FOX this Sunday night called Drive. The
 show was created by the same guy who made Firefly and stars the
 same lead actor, Nathan Fillion. Greg is going to do Twitter-style
 director's commentary during the premiere. Follow along if you
 like, just text FOLLOW FOXDRIVE to 40404 or visit the foxdrive
 profile page: http://twitter.com/foxdrive

But this is smart.

---

When I first read it, I thought FOX were doing this. But it actually
looks like Nathan Fillion is doing it off his own back?

Anyway, I wanted to gage people views, if this was good or bad use of
twitter? For example how would you guys feel if you could follow a
commentary while watching Dr Who or a different commentary on a live
sporting event?

How about something longer term? like being able to follow the doctor
around during the week?

Cheers,

Ian Forrester
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Re: [backstage] Google Developer Day

2007-04-11 Thread Mr I Forrester

Damm I missed it!

Wow they really cranked this up a notch this year!!!

Ian

Adam Leach wrote:
Not sure if anyone has mentioned, but Google is planning a Developer 
day on 31st May.


Spaces are limited, but you can sign up at 
http://www.google.com/events/developerday/en_GB/details.html


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Re: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u me

2007-04-11 Thread Mr I Forrester

Obviously I would need to stick up for the Atari.

Booted in 4 seconds flat, Midi built in as standard, GEM desktop and 
memory up to 4 meg. I was sad enough to buy 4meg of memory, 110meg hard 
drive and believe it or not a 14.4k zoom modem (because 9.6k was too slow).


My first email experience and a awesome machine.

Christopher Woods wrote:

I always liked my Acorn OS (RISC OS) - booted in about five seconds from the
moment it was powered up, ArcFS filesystem was 'quirky' but worked really
well and I loved the dynamic memory allocation you could do just by sliding
the percentages of bars to give certain apps more system resources.

Plus I just plain loved the interface - and no problems even if your games
had viruses in, because (on my model at least, the A3000) it had no hard
drive so when you power it off: bingo, no more volatile memory :D Had a MIDI
card in mine and everything, my old secondary school still uses an old A500
for their internal teletext system (they have screens up around the main
entrance etc which shows various bits and bobs of info), and they used to
have another Acorn working as a ceefax receiver in their IT room (this was a
good decade ago) but they had them all through the school as well, networked
and all.

I remember when they got a RISC PC... Yummy. That was years ahead of its
time, it even emulated Windows 95 perfectly. Never mind Mac OS and Windows,
my first computer was an Acorn and I still have a soft spot for it in my
heart :)

  

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From: Mark Hewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 11 April 2007 15:39

To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: RE: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u  me

It has generally all been downhill since AmigaOS and WorkBench 2.0

Hasn't been any fun operating systems for a very long time

 



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Belam

Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:13 PM
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: Re: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u  me

I thought it was 84.3% of stats that were made up?

Someone is clearly skewing the market against made up statistics. I 
suspect it is more Microsoft FUD myself.


:-)


m





On 10/04/07, Christopher Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

Pfft. I'm rather dismissive of numbers and comparisons such


as these,
  

particularly when over 74.3% of all statistics are made up anyway.



-Original Message-
From: Brian Butterworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 10 April 2007 16:53
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: RE: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u  me

Yes, but you can always get a massive percentage increase from 
something when it starts out at 1.75% of the market.


Brian Butterworth
www.ukfree.tv


  

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sent: 10 April 2007 14:47
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: RE: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u  me

I realised the error after sending the message ;-(

Still, a significant rise for the Macs and a further


indication that
  

the OS ground does appear to be shifting.
Would be interesting to know if that is reflected in stats


for other
  

companies.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brian


Butterworth
  

Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 2:31 PM
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: RE: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u  me

It would be for one month, but it's actually for sixteen...

Brian Butterworth
www.ukfree.tv




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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sent: 10 April 2007 14:21
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: RE: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u  me


Seems like a lot of Mac growth in a single month..


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brian
  

Butterworth


Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 2:04 PM
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: RE: [backstage] OS choice, assume= ass u  me

Isn't the first, great mistake that people make with
  

statistics to
  

believe that everyone else does what they do?

Assume makes an ass out of  u and me...

Can I refer people to this message, just posted 
  
which shows a 

64% increase in Mac usage (to 2.87%), and a 1% drop 
  

in Windows


usage (to


96.39%)...  Real hard evidence, people!

Brian Butterworth
www.ukfree.tv

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James Cridland
  

Sent: 06 April 2007 20:36
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: Re: [backstage] Browser Stats

I'm coming late to this discussion, as always, but 
  
if you're 


interested, here's the information 

Re: [backstage] [Fwd: Fwd: Twitter Fever]

2007-04-11 Thread Mr I Forrester

Nic James Ferrier wrote:

Mr I Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
How about something longer term? like being able to follow the doctor 
around during the week?



Can anyone follow twitter these days?

It's so   s l o w .
  
I did talk to the twitter guys about this issue. I think from there 
point of view, they never said twitter was meant to be a real time 
system. It just behaved like that from the start.

I think the beeb is missing a trick in not doing something like the
dath vader/luke skywalker twitters.

A dr and a dalek would be cool marketing.
  

It could also be informative, educational and of course highly amusing ;)

And when you need to do some spicy baddie marketing, say to
introduce the master, the dalek could be a friend of a twitter feed
for that event.
  

Indeed, your thinking what i'm thinking :)
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Re: [backstage] [Fwd: Fwd: Twitter Fever]

2007-04-11 Thread Nic James Ferrier
Mr I Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I did talk to the twitter guys about this issue. I think from there 
 point of view, they never said twitter was meant to be a real time 
 system. It just behaved like that from the start.

They're winding you up.

Have you noticed the tricks they're putting in to make you think your
updates are going live?

When you post the post is added to your list on the client side. It's
async-ajaxed to the backend as well. But if you refresh and it hasn't
got back yet it disappears from your list.

Whoops.

I think they know perfectly well how interactive it should be but
they've built it wrong and are now playing catch up.


 Indeed, your thinking what i'm thinking :)

Well. We are both brilliant. And cultured. And good looking of course.


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