RE: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Sent: 23 November 2007 14:55 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music What Podcasts (if any) are people listening to? See this link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/siteusage/#downloads The actual data table is a GIF, for some reason...! At least that means you can go back to previous months' data easily, eg: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/siteusage/images/downloads_jul07.gif Brendan. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music
This is a particular feature of Internet Explorer 7, I find. Google Reader does the same as well -- Martin Belam - http://www.currybet.net - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Re: Free as in Open Translation Tools 2007
On 21/11/2007, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is anyone interested in going to http://www.aspirationtech.org/events/opentranslation ? ... Its not possible to get a passport reissued within 7 days any more, so I'm not going. I got a same-day passport service when I went to the Passport Agency office in London, after being told for sure on the inquiries hot-line that there was no way to do this. So I'm going afterall! :-) -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music
On 22/11/2007, Michael Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not a direct answer from the man himself and It's obviously not BBC policy but: James Cridland, now Head of Future Media Technology, BBC Audio Music Interactive, wrote to this mailing list in February whilst he was still with Virgin Radio stating: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/msg03400.html My employer has been making an Ogg Vorbis stream available for years (indeed, if you visit www.virginradio.co.uk/listen from any Linux box, it's the default choice). Currently, less than 0.01% of our online listeners use it. It's possible for all our podcasts to be produced in Ogg Vorbis automatically, too. Indeed, all our on-demand audio is already encoded into Ogg Vorbis, for when it becomes a popular codec (and we're still waiting). It will become a popular codec by influential people publishing audio in it, like Virgin and the BBC, and by people learning to value software freedom and requesting audio publishers to use the format. Ultimately, no organisation can spend time servicing 0.01% of people without losing focus for the 99.99% of people. He also recently posted a comment to the Ashley Highfield open standards post on the BBC Internet blog stating: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2007/11/open_standards.html#c3988750 I was an employee of a commercial radio station before I joined Auntie in July. That station is one of the world's most listened-to online radio stations. I made the decision, while there, to support Ogg Vorbis. But, after four years of supporting it on a Linux-friendly site - and even being a preset in some GNU/Linux distros - I could count the total listeners to Ogg Vorbis, at peak times, on both hands. And, um, one foot. But not using all the toes. (Those stats are not dissimilar to others I've discovered elsewhere on the 'net for Ogg use). I don't deny that Ogg Vorbis is a splendid thing in theory. In pratice, my experience is that few people bother with it - not helped by the fact that few major players cope with it. My Ubuntu box copes quite happily with an open source version of Real Player; This isn't true; to play RealAudio format audio, you need proprietary software that integrates with a piece of free software. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helix_project has the details. presumably this Puppy Linux box would too if I bothered to download it; and the Mac under the telly copes with both Real and Windows, thanks to a free plugin to Quicktime. So, free-to-the-user alternatives to Ogg Vorbis exist on all major platforms. Sadly free-to-the-user is not the issue; free-as-in-freedom is the issue. While I don't think that Real + Windows = the only way of broadcasting online, I'm yet to be convinced, personally, by Ogg Vorbis. You're welcome to disagree; :-) -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music
On 23/11/2007, Tristan Ferne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Andy, How does one report faults experienced in the downloads? If anyone at the BBC has access to the BBC's fault tracking system (if you have one) perhaps you could add: I have asked around and I can try to answer some of your points... When accessing feeds for BBC podcasts it lists many episodes, the enclosure links for these are invalid for all but the first entry (they return a 404 error). Potential fixes: Don't remove or move the files after 7 days. Follow the HTTP standard properly. If the file has moved use a 301 or 302 redirect. If it has been removed the correct response would be 410 (Gone), not 404 (Not Found). Remove entries from the RSS feed. (May still be a problem for some clients). We think this may be your feed reader / podcatcher archiving the RSS feed, so an old item remains listed, even though we've deleted the mp3 and removed any reference to it from the RSS feed. Our RSS feeds for podcasts should only contain valid items. This is a particular feature of Internet Explorer 7, I find. A few questions: I saw that the Music Podcasts are UK only. Is this due to the BBC only acquiring the rights to UK distribution, or is it because the BBC wants to restrict it's content to the UK as we are the license fee payers. The licensing deal with PPL only covers the UK. As the files are only on the server for 7 days (as far as I can tell) are users meant to delete the files after that time, or if you've downloaded it can it be kept. I hope I don't have to find the delete option on my Generic Portable Ogg Vorbis Player (which also conveniently plays MP3). Also what is the BBC's rules on copying these podcasts, does the BBC license people to copy the file from say, their PC to their Generic Portable Music Player? Once you've downloaded an mp3, it's yours to keep forever and yes, you can copy it to your media player. The full terms of use are here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/podcasts/terms/ Of course some of the podcasts are just extracts from the Radio shows so you could always just download the full shows from Radio Player. The only real difference (pun intended) is the file format. The programmes on the Radio Player are presented as streams only. The BBC's agreements with rights holders prevent the BBC from authorising copies being made of internet audio streams. Hope that helps, Tristan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv
RE: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music
Hi Andy, How does one report faults experienced in the downloads? If anyone at the BBC has access to the BBC's fault tracking system (if you have one) perhaps you could add: I have asked around and I can try to answer some of your points... When accessing feeds for BBC podcasts it lists many episodes, the enclosure links for these are invalid for all but the first entry (they return a 404 error). Potential fixes: Don't remove or move the files after 7 days. Follow the HTTP standard properly. If the file has moved use a 301 or 302 redirect. If it has been removed the correct response would be 410 (Gone), not 404 (Not Found). Remove entries from the RSS feed. (May still be a problem for some clients). We think this may be your feed reader / podcatcher archiving the RSS feed, so an old item remains listed, even though we've deleted the mp3 and removed any reference to it from the RSS feed. Our RSS feeds for podcasts should only contain valid items. A few questions: I saw that the Music Podcasts are UK only. Is this due to the BBC only acquiring the rights to UK distribution, or is it because the BBC wants to restrict it's content to the UK as we are the license fee payers. The licensing deal with PPL only covers the UK. As the files are only on the server for 7 days (as far as I can tell) are users meant to delete the files after that time, or if you've downloaded it can it be kept. I hope I don't have to find the delete option on my Generic Portable Ogg Vorbis Player (which also conveniently plays MP3). Also what is the BBC's rules on copying these podcasts, does the BBC license people to copy the file from say, their PC to their Generic Portable Music Player? Once you've downloaded an mp3, it's yours to keep forever and yes, you can copy it to your media player. The full terms of use are here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/podcasts/terms/ Of course some of the podcasts are just extracts from the Radio shows so you could always just download the full shows from Radio Player. The only real difference (pun intended) is the file format. The programmes on the Radio Player are presented as streams only. The BBC's agreements with rights holders prevent the BBC from authorising copies being made of internet audio streams. Hope that helps, Tristan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Bagpipes ( was Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music )
On Friday 23 November 2007 12:20:11 Dave Crossland wrote: It will become a popular codec by influential people publishing audio in it, like Virgin and the BBC, and by people learning to value software freedom and requesting audio publishers to use the format. I hope not, the last thing the world needs is more accurate reproduction of bagpipes being generally available. MP3 throws away the nasty bits for a reason you know... :-D /pathetic-attempt-at-humour Michael. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPlayer under wine
David Greaves wrote: Stuart Ward wrote: I just found this project on sourceforge to sort out running the iPlayer under wine. http://bbciplayerlinux.sourceforge.net/index.php/Main_Page At which point they can replace the DRM library calls with stubs and ... ... not be able to decode the content any more? :-) S - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
