AW: [backstage] Internet TV without streaming is like
Also very interested! @Matt... and thanks for the links! All the best, sebnem Mit freundlichen Grüßen Sebnem Öztunali Siemens AG Corporate Technology Intelligent Autonomous Systems CT IC 6 Otto-Hahn-Ring 6 81739 München Tel.: +49 (89) 636-44127 Fax: +49 (89) 636-41423 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Siemens Aktiengesellschaft: Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: Gerhard Cromme; Vorstand: Peter Löscher, Vorsitzender; Wolfgang Dehen, Heinrich Hiesinger, Joe Kaeser, Jim Reid-Anderson, Hermann Requardt, Siegfried Russwurm, Peter Y. Solmssen; Sitz der Gesellschaft: Berlin und München; Registergericht: Berlin Charlottenburg, HRB 12300, München, HRB 6684; WEEE-Reg.-Nr. DE 23691322 Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Christopher Woods Gesendet: Samstag, 19. Juli 2008 18:30 An: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Betreff: RE: [backstage] Internet TV without streaming is like Based on stats - I don't have an off the shelf study to hand that I can release, but as indicated elsewhere, it is true that the number of downloads versus streams is influenced on a day to day basis depending on the type of content available. If there is interest in more stats then let me know. Cheers, jod Very interested - if there are any stats available you can point me to, I'd be fascinated to peruse them.
[backstage] myCBBC - all your stuff in one place?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2008/07/my_cbbc_all_your_stuff_in_one.html I thought this blog post from Marc Goodchild might be of interest to the Backstage community, and in particular these questions: § should broadcasters like the BBC allow users to collate other material alongside BBC assets? § and if so, how do we technically guarantee that content is appropriate for younger users and doesn't cross the line with third party rights agreements? You're clever people - how do we do it? Please do feel free to leave a comment on the blog. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Wealth of Networks event, next Thursday at Imperial College
Hello Backstagers I'd like to get the Wealth of Networks event on your radar, coming up this week Thursday at Imperial College. It's rather short notice to be getting the word out, so I'd love any help you can give me in passing this info on to others who might be interested. There will be a number of interesting panel discussions on topics which I know are near and dear to many of you (such as the Mobile Economy, E-Healthcare, and E-Gov), and Gareth Mitchell of BBC Digital Planet will be moderating the main panel session. Please feel free to come out for any part of the day that you can make it - and I hope to see many of you there!! Cheers, Margaret Wealth of Networks: Digital Economies and the Next-generation Internet Bringing together researchers, industry and the UK community to explore the future of the Digital Economy in the UK. You are cordially invited to help shape the future of the Internet, and the UK Digital Economy Thursday, July 24th, 2008 - Imperial College, Tanaka Business School The EPSRC-funded Digital Economies Research Cluster, Opportunities and Challenges in the Digital Economy: an Agenda for the Next-Generation Internet announces an open forum to shape the direction of research into the digital economy in the UK. This will be a national event which will bring together experts from across the UK in conversation with the general public. We welcome a broad range of views from everyone interested in the future of the Internet and the digital economy. The forum will feature an open panel discussion with cluster researchers and industry leaders, moderated by Gareth Mitchell (Digital Planet-BBC World Service). These discussions will contribute to setting the national funding council priorities for future research. Topics will include: * Next-generation Healthcare * e-Government * Digital Entrepreneurship * The Mobile Economy * Trust, Data and Security * e-Society and the future of social networks Attendance is free, but pre-registration is required. To register to attend, please http://wealthofnetworks.eventbrite.com/ head on over to Eventbrite. To find out more of the details, please http://wealthofnetworks.wordpress.com/ visit our blog. (You can also find us at http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/904358/?ps=6 Upcoming , on http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=20601581374 Facebook , or follow us on http://twitter.com/wealthofnetwork Twitter ) AGENDA 9.00 Registration 9.30 Honorary Welcome - Sir Roy Anderson, Rector of Imperial College 9.45 Introduction - Prof. John Darlington, Imperial College Internet Centre 10.00 Keynote Address - John Varney, founder and CEO of Maximum Clarity and former CTO of the BBC 10.45 Coffee break 11.00 The Wealth of Networks Panel Discussion - Moderated by Gareth Mitchell, BBC Digital Planet Panellists include Professor John Darlington of Imperial College, Dr. Gary Graham of Manchester Business School, Dan Appelquist of Vodafone, John Barr of The 451 Group, and John Hand of the EPSRC. 12.30 Lunch Interval 14.00 Breakout Discussion Sessions * A time and a place: How can the Digital Economy provide Services for Intelligent Mobility Management * Using digital technology to improve people's health and the delivery of healthcare * Internet economics markets * Innovation and entrepreneurship 15.00 Coffee 15.15 Breakout Discussion Sessions * Self-evolving Internet * Service infrastructure enabling the Digital Economy * Trust, data and security * Identity management in the Next-generation Internet 16.15 Concluding remarks 17.00 Reception Gold Mobile Innovation Ltd (e)[EMAIL PROTECTED] (m) 0798 563 2237 (s) margaretgold image001.jpg
AW: [backstage] Internet TV without streaming is like
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Dave Crossland Gesendet: Freitag, 18. Juli 2008 20:20 An: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Betreff: Re: [backstage] Internet TV without streaming is like 2008/7/18 Oeztunali, Sebnem (CT) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ...It will also let users buy a TV show or movie without actually downloading the video file to the PC's hard drive... This statement is either misguided or lying. :-) Whilst streaming, *the movie* is not downloaded (else it wouldn't be worthwile to make a differentiation, right?) Only chunks of the file are buffered (small pieces, thrown away once played back = buffering). I believe this is the single viable option, and is true to the antything-anytime-anywhere-goes potential of the Internet What about the the antything-anytime-anywhere-goes potential of portable computers not connected to the Internet 100% of the time? Not connected?!?!??! ...well you have a point there, like you want to download a movie because you know tomorrow you'll be stuck in a train for 6 hrs. But in my opinion this is not Internet TV - and still you have to ask yourself how long is it going to take until you have access in that train (or anywhere else for that matter)... If you think about how much the up/download consumption increased since youtube, it would be insane by an ISP to say I don't throttle that specific type of traffic, there will always be one other to deliver. ( ...and please don't buy into that sry, the Internet is currently full :D ) and let's you forget about vendor lock-in due to DRM. This used to be true but sadly isn't any more - Adobe Flash based video streaming includes actual DRM. But still flash runs in every browser, hence every device capable of Internet-connectivity (has a browser) is able to receive that stream. Also, streaming is often (mistakenly) perceived as a form of DRM. If the thing is accessible for everyone, no one has an interest in stealing it, hence DRM is useless. Accessible could also mean, for appropriately little money or an appropriate flat rate... (P2P-)Downloading is yesterday's beer. ... I am specualting that Amazon's streaming makes use of P2P technology ;-) As said before there is a distinguishable difference between streaming and downloading, hence even if P2P downloading is old, P2P streaming is quite the sizzle... Still I agree that the general question donwloading vs. streaming is now more interesting, the tech comes in handy later. All the best, Sebnem - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Internet TV without streaming is like
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Oeztunali, Sebnem (CT) Sent: 21 July 2008 10:11 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: AW: [backstage] Internet TV without streaming is like -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Dave Crossland Gesendet: Freitag, 18. Juli 2008 20:20 An: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Betreff: Re: [backstage] Internet TV without streaming is like 2008/7/18 Oeztunali, Sebnem (CT) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: As said before there is a distinguishable difference between streaming and downloading, hence even if P2P downloading is old, P2P streaming is quite the sizzle... Quite the sizzle? I'm sold! :D This phrase is the best thing I've ever learnt in a DRM debate. I'm already figuring out how many times I'm going to be able to say it today. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Internet TV without streaming is like
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 10:43 AM, Deirdre Harvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/7/18 Oeztunali, Sebnem (CT) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: As said before there is a distinguishable difference between streaming and downloading, hence even if P2P downloading is old, P2P streaming is quite the sizzle... Quite the sizzle? I'm sold! :D This phrase is the best thing I've ever learnt in a DRM debate. I'm already figuring out how many times I'm going to be able to say it today. Yeh that is pretty good haha. In seriousness, if bandwidth providers (ISPs, whoever comes along next to pay for it etc...) provide the pipe and market it to customers well enough, don't you think that these killer apps (YouTube, iPlayer) will grow and multiply to fit the available tech? HD, more channels, wider opportunity for business, advertising and all that other fund providing stuff to come in and use streaming? The better and more capable the platform, the more we can do with it (that's kinda obvious)... I wonder when consumer input tech (videocameras) will become as easy as a mobile phone, to push real SD and HD onto the streaming web. When it becomes that easy, it may not be known as the 'streaming web' or the web at all, it might just be a STB or other easy to use consumer device? Anyway enough straying from doing work and rambling, best get on with some things.
Re: [backstage] Internet TV without streaming is like
On Mon Jul 21 11:11:17 2008, Oeztunali, Sebnem (CT) wrote: But still flash runs in every browser, hence every device capable of Internet-connectivity (has a browser) is able to receive that stream. Not in mine, and even if it did I wouldn’t. pgpsmviyYNX5u.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [backstage] Internet TV without streaming is like
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Fred Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon Jul 21 11:11:17 2008, Oeztunali, Sebnem (CT) wrote: But still flash runs in every browser, hence every device capable of Internet-connectivity (has a browser) is able to receive that stream. Not in mine, and even if it did I wouldn't. I quite like Flash myself, nice to develop for, and easy for consumers to get and use.
Re: [backstage] Internet TV without streaming is like
On 7/21/08, Oeztunali, Sebnem (CT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Dave Crossland Gesendet: Freitag, 18. Juli 2008 20:20 An: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Betreff: Re: [backstage] Internet TV without streaming is like But still flash runs in every browser, hence every device capable of Internet-connectivity (has a browser) is able to receive that stream. There's a version of flash for lynx? What does it do, convert the video to ascii art? :-) Scot
Re: [backstage] Internet TV without streaming is like
On Mon Jul 21 11:13:25 2008, Matt Barber wrote: On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Fred Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon Jul 21 11:11:17 2008, Oeztunali, Sebnem (CT) wrote: But still flash runs in every browser, hence every device capable of Internet-connectivity (has a browser) is able to receive that stream. Not in mine, and even if it did I wouldn't. I quite like Flash myself, nice to develop for Really? I tried it once, then gave up and tried Adobe Flex, then gave up on that and went back to proper web development. pgppE5xWE38Fs.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: [backstage] Internet TV without streaming is like
Hmm. Although my mobile phone (a series 40 Nokia 6500s) does indeed support Flash Lite, I remain to be convinced that it's really an entirely appropriate platform to do heavy duty Flash development upon. And that's before we even start on the whole text/screen reader issue. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scot McSweeney-Roberts Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 11:31 AM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Internet TV without streaming is like On 7/21/08, Oeztunali, Sebnem (CT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Dave Crossland Gesendet: Freitag, 18. Juli 2008 20:20 An: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Betreff: Re: [backstage] Internet TV without streaming is like But still flash runs in every browser, hence every device capable of Internet-connectivity (has a browser) is able to receive that stream. There's a version of flash for lynx? What does it do, convert the video to ascii art? :-) Scot * To view the terms under which this email is distributed, please go to http://www.hull.ac.uk/legal/email_disclaimer.html *
[backstage] Dailysnooze - Vista Gadgets - Homepage
Hi, For the past 6 or 7 years (http://web.archive.org/web/20030711135006/dailysnooze.com/en/) I have run http://www.dailysnooze.com - mainly because I wanted a quick loading simple homepage for my browser, which included the BBC headlines and weather. Long gone are the days of screen scraping the bbc news pages and now luckily we have access to some nice feeds! Things have moved on a little and we now have a few extras based on backstage feeds: - dailysnooze.com browser homepage (BBC News and Weather) - BBC News Vista Sidebar Gadget (http://gallery.live.com/liveItemDetail.aspx?li=653824e2-e96c-454e-b11e-ab873c8f393fbt=1pl=1) - BBC Weather Vista Sidebar Gadget (http://gallery.live.com/liveItemDetail.aspx?li=5bba4a66-6982-4f37-ab97-7b83eba93a19bt=1pl=1) I only just released the gadgets so thought I should share them a bit further. They are also available from the website itself. For the homepage the brief I have always stuck to is quick loading and simple, and I like to think I have a good balance in my slightly biased opinion. From the tech side of things the gadgets/homepage get their data from my hosted DB and associated web services. I have an app running at home which updates the server DB regularly with the feed information. Hope one or two of you find these useful :-) Let me know if you have any suggestions or feedback - would love to release gadget updates with user feedback tweaks! Cheers Fraser homepage: http://www.dailysnooze.com bbc vista gadgets: http://www.dailysnooze.com/vista-gadgets.aspx - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
