[backstage-developer] Flash-based segmented audio player
Just a heads-up to let people know we've released the Flash-based player for MP3 files with ID3v2 chapter signalling shown at Mashed '08 as an open source project on Sourceforge: http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=856231 Chris - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk developer discussion group. To unsubscribe, please send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe backstage-developer [your email] as the message.
Re: [backstage-developer] BBC predicts the sun will not rise on Monday, which is now to be known as None day
There was also astonishing precision in the forecast on the bbc homepage earlier, with tomorrows min and max temperature quoted to 2 decimal places (albeit zeros)! Jonathan Chetwynd wrote: BBC predicts the sun will not rise on Monday, which is now to be known as None day http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/5day.shtml?id=0008 my logo http://www.openicon.org Jonathan Chetwynd [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.openicon.org/ +44 (0) 20 7978 1764 for those who see the glass as half full, there's no pollution either ~: - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk developer discussion group. To unsubscribe, please send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe backstage-developer [your email] as the message.
Re: [backstage] erik huggers on open standards
2008/8/13 Mike Melanson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Andy wrote: entirely untrue. Even more so today, anyone up to date with the latest industry developments would have noticed a few new laptops (sub-notebooks?) running non x86 CPUs. Name 2. I keep up with current subnotebooks and I don't know any that use non-x86 CPUs. http://www.google.com/search?q=mips+laptop+lemote is one -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] erik huggers on open standards
and these from nvidia http://www.nvidia.com/page/handheld.html 2008/8/13 Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2008/8/13 Mike Melanson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Andy wrote: entirely untrue. Even more so today, anyone up to date with the latest industry developments would have noticed a few new laptops (sub-notebooks?) running non x86 CPUs. Name 2. I keep up with current subnotebooks and I don't know any that use non-x86 CPUs. http://www.google.com/search?q=mips+laptop+lemote is one -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] erik huggers on open standards
2008/8/12 Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Unfortunately the statement that iPlayer will be the first to use open standards isnt sound AAC and H264 are patent encumbered, so the idea that they are open standards seems wishful thinking on Erik's part to me; they are merely popular. -- Regards, Dave Personal opinion only - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] erik huggers on open standards
On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 09:33:04 +0100, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AAC and H264 are patent encumbered, so the idea that they are open standards seems wishful thinking on Erik's part to me; they are merely popular. Different groups of people take the term Open Standard to mean different things: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_standard (Personally speaking, I prefer the definition Dave implies) Matt -- | Matt Hammond | Research Engineer, FMT, BBC, Kingswood Warren, Tadworth, Surrey, UK | http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] erik huggers on open standards
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 1:16 AM, Mike Melanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Name 2. I keep up with current subnotebooks and I don't know any that use non-x86 CPUs. The Maplin minibook uses an XBurst (MIPS). I could stretch the point and say that so does the Razorbook 400 (which would name 2), but that looks identical to the Maplin.
Re: [backstage] erik huggers on open standards
2008/8/13 Matt Hammond [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 09:33:04 +0100, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AAC and H264 are patent encumbered, so the idea that they are open standards seems wishful thinking on Erik's part to me; they are merely popular. Different groups of people take the term Open Standard to mean different things: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_standard http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_standard#Patents explains well the issue that I am bringing up. Especially interesting is: many governments (including the Danish, French and Spanish governments singly and the EU collectively) specifically affirmed that open standards required royalty-free [patent] licenses. When will the BBC specifically affirm that open standards at the BBC means royalty-free patent licenses? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_standard#File_formats does not list AAC/H264, but it does list some codecs that the BBC shamefully ignores. -- Regards, Dave Personal opinion only. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] erik huggers on open standards
2008/8/12 Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Oh and the statement evryone[sic] already had Flash installed is entirely untrue. Even more so today, anyone up to date with the latest industry developments would have noticed a few new laptops (sub-notebooks?) running non x86 CPUs. I can't find any Flash player available for these platform GNU Gnash so the claims these users already have Flash installed is complete rubbish. What's the BBC doing for these people? It ought to be supporting the development of GNU Gnash, which is fully portable and runs on all architectures. -- Regards, Dave Personal opinion only. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] erik huggers on open standards
Andy wrote: Unfortunately the statement that iPlayer will be the first to use open standards isn sounds. According to Anthony Rose's post ( http://tinyurl.com/5ew649 ) iPlayer will switch to H264 and AAC but will still be in Flash. So even devices carrying H264 hardware decoders won't be able to access the content as it's obscured by flash, despite the relative ease of providing an object path/to/h264. Oh and the statement evryone[sic] already had Flash installed is entirely untrue. Even more so today, anyone up to date with the latest industry developments would have noticed a few new laptops (sub-notebooks?) running non x86 CPUs. I can't find any Flash player available for these platform so the claims these users already have Flash installed is complete rubbish. What's the BBC doing for these people? +1 Not a netbook but not allowed to be an iphone: No flash on the Neo Freerunner[1] (ARM 4) :( [1] www.openmoko.com -- www.tdobson.net If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us still has one object. If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now has two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BarCamp Brighton - tickets open Tuesday 11am
Hi, just a reminder about BarCamp Brighton - we've got a handful of tickets left from the final tranche. If you'd like to come along, please sign up here: http://barcampbrighton.eventwax.com/brighton-barcamp-3 It's happening on 6th and 7th of September, the weekend after the dConstruct conference. More info here: More info here: www.barcampbrighton.org Thanks Paul On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 2:56 PM, Paul Silver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you're interested in BarCamps, or if you're coming down to dConstruct and want to make a long weekend of it, you can sign up for BarCamp Brighton 3 when ticketing opens tomorrow at 11am: http://barcampbrighton.eventwax.com/brighton-barcamp-3 It's happening on 6th and 7th of September, the weekend after dConstruct. More info here: www.barcampbrighton.org -- Paul Silver Freelance Web Developer Tel: 01273 906020 (UK) http://www.paulsilver.co.uk and http://www.gsadeveloper.com - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] erik huggers on open standards
Mike Melanson wrote: Andy wrote: entirely untrue. Even more so today, anyone up to date with the latest industry developments would have noticed a few new laptops (sub-notebooks?) running non x86 CPUs. Name 2. I keep up with current subnotebooks and I don't know any that use non-x86 CPUs. 2 mins of googling: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aware_Electronics Yes so that's the A-View, the AW-300 and the AW-150 subnotebooks for starters. -- www.tdobson.net If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us still has one object. If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now has two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] erik huggers on open standards
Tim Dobson wrote: Mike Melanson wrote: I keep up with current subnotebooks and I don't know any that use non-x86 CPUs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aware_Electronics Yes so that's the A-View, the AW-300 and the AW-150 subnotebooks for starters. In what way are those X86 CPUs non-x86? Personally I'm disgusted that there's no iPlayer support for my Psion 3c. S - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] erik huggers on open standards
Tim Dobson wrote: 2 mins of googling: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aware_Electronics Yes so that's the A-View, the AW-300 and the AW-150 subnotebooks for starters. All of which use Aday super486 CPUs. So these will be x86 compatible -- *Simon Thompson MEng MIET* Research Engineer (Electronics) *BBC Future Media and Technology* Kingswood Warren mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[backstage] Problem with news feed
Hello, I'm working with the Centre for Life (http://www.life.org.ukwww.life.org.uk) in Newcastle on a gallery exhibit which uses a private Science/Nature news feed from the BBC at this address: http://news5.thdo.bbc.co.uk/syndication/feeds/newsonline_uk_edition/sci/tech/rss10.xmlhttp://news5.thdo.bbc.co.uk/syndication/feeds/newsonline_uk_edition/sci/tech/rss10.xml This feed was agreed with the BBC in 2006 and the exhibit has been up and running fine until a couple of months ago when we started having technical problems with the feed which stop the exhibit from working. We'd like to get in touch with someone so we can discuss these problems. Our contact at the BBC was Alex Pressland who was a Senior Product Manager but she has now left the organisation and neither her email or phone number work anymore. So far we've been unable to make contact with anyone else who can help us so it would be great if someone can point me in the right direction. Cheers Joe
Re: [backstage] Problem with news feed
Hi Joe, Alex has moved on to a job outside the BBC. I'll pass it to someone who can pick it up. Paul. (BBC FMT Journalism) 2008/8/13 Joe Cutting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello, I'm working with the Centre for Life (www.life.org.uk) in Newcastle on a gallery exhibit which uses a private Science/Nature news feed from the BBC at this address: http://news5.thdo.bbc.co.uk/syndication/feeds/newsonline_uk_edition/sci/tech/rss10.xml This feed was agreed with the BBC in 2006 and the exhibit has been up and running fine until a couple of months ago when we started having technical problems with the feed which stop the exhibit from working. We'd like to get in touch with someone so we can discuss these problems. Our contact at the BBC was Alex Pressland who was a Senior Product Manager but she has now left the organisation and neither her email or phone number work anymore. So far we've been unable to make contact with anyone else who can help us so it would be great if someone can point me in the right direction. Cheers Joe - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] erik huggers on open standards
2008/8/13 Steve Jolly [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Personally I'm disgusted that there's no iPlayer support for my Psion 3c. No one is expecting the BBC to support random obscure/unpopular devices. Many people are expecting the BBC to support open standards so that _they_ can support random obscure/unpopular devices. The BBC must support real open standards if it does not want to trample over smaller innovators, not merely big-vendor-neutral formats that are popular (like H264). -- Regards, Dave Personal opinion only - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] erik huggers on open standards
Simon Thompson wrote: Tim Dobson wrote: that's the A-View, the AW-300 and the AW-150 subnotebooks All of which use Aday super486 CPUs. So these will be x86 compatible Eek. My lack of knowledge relating to CPU architecture and x86 compatibility stuff seems to have let me down. Sorry! -- www.tdobson.net If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us still has one object. If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now has two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] erik huggers on open standards
Tim Dobson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote at 17:28 on 2008-08-13: Simon Thompson wrote: Tim Dobson wrote: that's the A-View, the AW-300 and the AW-150 subnotebooks All of which use Aday super486 CPUs. So these will be x86 compatible Eek. My lack of knowledge relating to CPU architecture and x86 compatibility stuff seems to have let me down. Though looking at the system requirements list, Adobe suggest a minimum of a PII-450[1] while the Aware machines are 486-compatibles at 300MHz max[2]. Out of interest, does anyone know which version of the x86 instruction set the Adobe flash plugin is compiled for? If it uses MMX, for instance, a 486 won't cut it no matter how quick it is. S [1] http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/productinfo/systemreqs/ [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aware_Electronics - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Problem with news feed
Hi Joe - I'll get someone to contact you. Cheers, ::: John O'Donovan ::: Chief Architect, BBC FMT Journalism ::: BBC Broadcast Centre ::: 201 Wood Lane, London W12 7TS ::: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ::: http://www.bbc.co.uk http://www.bbc.co.uk/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Cutting Sent: 13 August 2008 12:32 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] Problem with news feed Hello, I'm working with the Centre for Life (www.life.org.uk) in Newcastle on a gallery exhibit which uses a private Science/Nature news feed from the BBC at this address: http://news5.thdo.bbc.co.uk/syndication/feeds/newsonline_uk_edition/sci/ tech/rss10.xml This feed was agreed with the BBC in 2006 and the exhibit has been up and running fine until a couple of months ago when we started having technical problems with the feed which stop the exhibit from working. We'd like to get in touch with someone so we can discuss these problems. Our contact at the BBC was Alex Pressland who was a Senior Product Manager but she has now left the organisation and neither her email or phone number work anymore. So far we've been unable to make contact with anyone else who can help us so it would be great if someone can point me in the right direction. Cheers Joe
Re: [backstage] erik huggers on open standards
Steffan Davies wrote: Out of interest, does anyone know which version of the x86 instruction set the Adobe flash plugin is compiled for? If it uses MMX, for instance, a 486 won't cut it no matter how quick it is. True enough. The Adobe Flash Player requires, at a minimum, MMX instructions. SSE and higher are supported but optional. -- -Mike Melanson - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
