[backstage] BBC - a typical Google search on a desktop computer produces about 7g (0.25oz) of carbon dioxide

2009-01-12 Thread Brian Butterworth
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7823387.stm Does anyone have the working for this? I would LOVE to see it, given that (for a start): a typical Google search on a desktop computer produces about 7g (0.25oz) of carbon dioxide 1) Google searches are not done on a desktop computer, they are

Re: [backstage] BBC - a typical Google search on a desktop computer produces about 7g (0.25oz) of carbon dioxide

2009-01-12 Thread Spiros Denaxas
Brian, it is a well known fact that UTF8 characters produce more carbon dioxide :) Spiros On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7823387.stm Does anyone have the working for this? I would LOVE to see it, given

Re: [backstage] BBC - a typical Google search on a desktop computer produces about 7g (0.25oz) of carbon dioxide

2009-01-12 Thread Dan Brickley
On 12/1/09 11:29, Brian Butterworth wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7823387.stm Does anyone have the working for this? I would LOVE to see it, given that (for a start): a typical Google search on a desktop computer produces about 7g (0.25oz) of carbon dioxide Not to mention all

Re: [backstage] BBC - a typical Google search on a desktop computer produces about 7g (0.25oz) of carbon dioxide

2009-01-12 Thread Martin Belam
Is this the worst bit of maths on BBC News so far this year? Figures actually come from Google no? http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/01/powering-google-search.html - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit

Re: [backstage] BBC - a typical Google search on a desktop computer produces about 7g (0.25oz) of carbon dioxide

2009-01-12 Thread Frankie Roberto
I just wrote: Article quotes both figures from Alex Wissner-Gross (7g) and from Google (0.2g). Seeing as both figures are being widely circulated, and talked about elsewhere, I'd say that it's definitely newsworthy. Incidentally, the news story mentions that Alex Wissner-Gross, who calculated

RE: [backstage] Is DRM on its last throes at last?

2009-01-12 Thread Ian Forrester
Actually I do wonder if the itunes store going non-DRM will finally be enough to convince copyright owners that releasing content under a licence but with no DRM is a good thing for everyone involved? I mean what other popular DRM is there now? Windows media plays for sure? -Original

Re: [backstage] Is DRM on its last throes at last?

2009-01-12 Thread Alan Pope
2009/1/12 Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk: Actually I do wonder if the itunes store going non-DRM will finally be enough to convince copyright owners that releasing content under a licence but with no DRM is a good thing for everyone involved? I mean what other popular DRM is there now?

Re: [backstage] Is DRM on its last throes at last?

2009-01-12 Thread Scot McSweeney-Roberts
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 12:18, Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.ukwrote: I mean what other popular DRM is there now? Windows media plays for sure? Audible.com still DRMs their audiobooks, in their own proprietary formats.

Re: [backstage] BBC - a typical Google search on a desktop computer produces about 7g (0.25oz) of carbon dioxide

2009-01-12 Thread Dirk-Willem van Gulik
Brian Butterworth wrote: Does anyone have the working for this? I would LOVE to see it, given that (for a start): No - but willing to guess that they either took the total energy consumption and divided it - or took a reasonable number x number of servers; assumed 100watt and took it from

Re: [backstage] BBC - a typical Google search on a desktop computer produces about 7g (0.25oz) of carbon dioxide

2009-01-12 Thread Lee Ball
Frankie Roberto wrote: Incidentally, the news story mentions that Alex Wissner-Gross, who calculated the figures, has set up the website http://www.co2stats.com/ which is a *commercial* service that allows you to pay to offset the carbon produced by your webservers, so call me cynical, but

Re: [backstage] BBC - a typical Google search on a desktop computer produces about 7g (0.25oz) of carbon dioxide

2009-01-12 Thread Paul Battley
2009/1/12 Frankie Roberto fran...@frankieroberto.com: Wonder how much energy the BBC uses to power its webservers? :-) How much CO2 is emitted per hour of TV programme watched via the iPlayer, compared to traditional TV broadcast? And, to continue that line of thought, how much CO2 is emitted

Re: [backstage] Is DRM on its last throes at last?

2009-01-12 Thread Phil Lewis
And don't forget the 'OMA DRM 2' used by iPlayer mobile. On Mon, 2009-01-12 at 12:25 +, Alan Pope wrote: 2009/1/12 Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk: Actually I do wonder if the itunes store going non-DRM will finally be enough to convince copyright owners that releasing content

Re: [backstage] BBC - a typical Google search on a desktop computer produces about 7g (0.25oz) of carbon dioxide

2009-01-12 Thread lists
Now I was just saying that adding DRM to stuff means more CPU cycles, which means DRM is killing the planet!111oneone ;) On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 10:40:39 +, Spiros Denaxas spi...@lokku.com wrote: Brian, it is a well known fact that UTF8 characters produce more carbon dioxide :) Spiros

Re: [backstage] BBC - a typical Google search on a desktop computer produces about 7g (0.25oz) of carbon dioxide

2009-01-12 Thread Frankie Roberto
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Dirk-Willem van Gulik di...@webweaving.org wrote: Does anyone have the working for this? I would LOVE to see it, given that (for a start): No - but willing to guess that they either took the total energy consumption and divided it - or took a reasonable

Re: [backstage] BBC - a typical Google search on a desktop computer produces about 7g (0.25oz) of carbon dioxide

2009-01-12 Thread Kevin Anderson
From the site, CO2stats.com, it looks like not only does the service look at the client side electricity but also the computers using Google search to calculate the total footprint. I guess that begs the question whether Google is responsible for less efficient computers executing searches, and

Re: [backstage] BBC - a typical Google search on a desktop computer produces about 7g (0.25oz) of carbon dioxide

2009-01-12 Thread Fearghas McKay
On 12 Jan 2009, at 15:44, li...@tdobson.net li...@tdobson.net wrote: Now I was just saying that adding DRM to stuff means more CPU cycles, which means DRM is killing the planet!111oneone Or streaming Radio4 leaving its Due to Rights blah blah blah message on during the last few

Re: [backstage] BBC - a typical Google search on a desktop computer produces about 7g (0.25oz) of carbon dioxide

2009-01-12 Thread Brian Butterworth
This is quite a useful post from Microsoft: http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2009/01/06/windows-7-energy-efficiency.aspx the display can consume approximately 40% of the power budget on the typical mobile PC and anywhere from 30-100+ Watts on a desktop PC. So, do your searching with the monitor

Re: [backstage] Windows 7 beta can be downloaded now!

2009-01-12 Thread Matt Barber
Hahaha that's massively funny On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Martin Deutsch martin.deut...@gmail.comwrote: On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv wrote: If you want to have a look at Windows 7, you can download the beta now (it's really is working)

RE: [backstage] BBC - a typical Google search on a desktop computer produces about 7g (0.25oz) of carbon dioxide

2009-01-12 Thread Christopher Woods
_ From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 12 January 2009 18:31 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC - a typical Google search on a desktop computer produces about 7g (0.25oz) of carbon

Re: [backstage] BBC - a typical Google search on a desktop computer produces about 7g (0.25oz) of carbon dioxide

2009-01-12 Thread Brian Butterworth
2009/1/12 Christopher Woods chris...@infinitus.co.uk -- *From:* owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] *On Behalf Of *Brian Butterworth *Sent:* 12 January 2009 18:31 *To:* backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk *Subject:* Re: [backstage]

[backstage] DFEY-NW :: January 18th :: BBC, Oxford Road, Manchester :: Digital Freedom in Education and Youth - North West

2009-01-12 Thread Tim Dobson
(Please forward this to anybody or any lists you think might be interested) DFEY-NW (Digital Freedom in Education Youth - North West) is a group focusing on young people and issues of freedom in the digital world, based in the Northwest of England at the moment. === In Brief === WHERE:

RE: [backstage] BBC - a typical Google search on a desktop computer produces about 7g (0.25oz) of carbon dioxide

2009-01-12 Thread Christopher Woods
Some of the ones in Birmingham are... But only usually replaced when the old ones burn out or get broken (which I fully agree with, no point emitting CO2 driving round and replacing every single one when they still work perfectly - the don't-replace-old-cars-with-new-cars argument). Which

[backstage] DOGs on the BBC TV online streams?

2009-01-12 Thread Christopher Woods
I've noticed that BBC One's online stream has a BBC One DOG on it, the same going for BBC Two. Isn't this one of the most impractical applications of a channel graphic ever? (and a waste of bits) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit