Re: [backstage] Is DRM on its last throes at last?
Yes, likely in 2010 On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 11:57 PM, Ian Deeley ian.dee...@gmail.com wrote: Aside from the fact Windows 7 supports H.264 and AAC Sent from my iPhone On 13 Jan 2009, at 22:31, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Digital Restrictions Management is a dead end. Consumers don't want it. Hollywood's head-in-sandism on this is beyond pitiful. DECE is chaired by the very exec who imposed the Sony BMG hidden Windows rootkit on the Amerie record on my shelf, and which fortunately for me was not interoperable with my Mac or GNU/Linux computers. For ten years Microsoft has positioned itself as a partner to content providers, only too happy to propose its services while shutting out competitors, the consumer be damned. They can't even bring themselves to support MPEG-4 AVC/H.264 and AAC (while Apple laughs all the way to the bank). A decade later, they are still hoping for a central role in a DRM ecosystem which excludes free software. What the studios don't realize (with the exception of Disney, which has a clue) is that consumers have no patience for difficult to use / expensive / incompatible rights systems. They already lost patience overpaying for disks with a pointless zoning system and seven guaranteed minutes of copyright information in Greek and Swedish (no offense to my southern annd northern friends). I say, let them hoist themselves on their own petards (the studios, not the Hellenes Swedes). The longer they put off developing new business models, the greater the risks they take. Sean On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 7:41 PM, Andy stude.l...@googlemail.com wrote: Is DRM on it's last legs? Not according to this news story: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7825428.stm When we people learn that trying to stop people copying or playing Audio/Video after a certain date is not possible due to Replay Attack[1]? I'm not sure whether they intend to deploy this both for video and music. However with DRM Free Music already legally available will people really stand for not being able to do things they could before? Andy [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replay_attack -- Computers are like air conditioners. Both stop working, if you open windows. -- Adam Heath - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] DOGs on the BBC TV online streams?
Oh yeah, and that leads me to another gripe - the BBC Three, BBC Four, BBC Parliament, CBeebies etc... DOGs on TV. Why are they in the 4:3 safe zone?! Don't know if you've been watching anything on T4 but they have a delightful one for their showings of The Simpsons. Previously they just put the T4 logo in the top left corner but some time ago they moved it - someone is clearly working on the assumption that everyone is watching the Simpsons in 4:3, stretched out to 16:9. So they've positioned the logo in what would be the correct positioning if you then took it and did a 4:3 centre cut out (in other words, the same spot the BBC puts its logos) The only logic behind it I can think of is that they always want their logo in the same place in the screen regardless of the aspect ratio, but of course if only works if you watch the Simspons in the wrong aspect ratio. Which sadly a lot of people probably do. Roll on when everyone has HD TVs/boxes - programmes might get viewed properly then! http://www.bbc.co.uk/ This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] DOGs on the BBC TV online streams?
I've grown to love the BBC logo we've burned into our plasma. jim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] DOGs on the BBC TV online streams?
There is an easy solution to the screen burn problem Don't watch as much TV. :-) H. On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 12:23 AM, Jim Tonge jim_d_to...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I've grown to love the BBC logo we've burned into our plasma. jim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] DOGs on the BBC TV online streams?
That's a pretty extreme form of tattooing - where'd you get it done? Cheers, Rich. On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 12:23 AM, Jim Tonge jim_d_to...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I've grown to love the BBC logo we've burned into our plasma. jim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] DOGs on the BBC TV online streams?
If you ever find yourself watching BBC Channel Island news at 6.30pm or 10.25 (I think Sky 988) you'll see the old BBC Spotlight Channel Islands logo burned pretty deep into the studio plasma screen behind the presenter. Not sure what I think about DOGs though - never really notice them to be honest. On Wed 14/01/09 11:18 AM , Richard Lockwood richard.lockw...@gmail.com sent: That's a pretty extreme form of tattooing - where'd you get it done? Cheers, Rich. On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 12:23 AM, Jim Tonge wrote: I've grown to love the BBC logo we've burned into our plasma. jim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/ [2]backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [3]/ Links: -- [1] mailto:jim_d_to...@yahoo.co.uk [2] http://www.mail-archive.com/ [3] mailto:backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Re: [backstage] DOGs on the BBC TV online streams?
I guess it would cost the viewers about £1 each to get BBC CI a new plasma... On 14 Jan 2009, 11:39 AM, r...@upyourego.com wrote: If you ever find yourself watching BBC Channel Island news at 6.30pm or 10.25 (I think Sky 988) you'll see the old BBC Spotlight Channel Islands logo burned pretty deep into the studio plasma screen behind the presenter. Not sure what I think about DOGs though - never really notice them to be honest. On Wed 14/01/09 11:18 AM , Richard Lockwood richard.lockw...@gmail.comsent: That's a pretty extreme form of tattooing - where'd you get it done? Cheers, Rich. ...
Re: [backstage] DOGs on the BBC TV online streams?
lol yeah something like that There are no official viewing figures for Channel Islands but the last survey the BBC did showed that 50% watched the BBC’s Spotlight Channel Islands at 6.30pm compared to 40% who watched ITV’s Channel report at 6.00pm. http://www.bbc.co.uk/jersey/content/articles/2008/03/04/spotlight_figures_feature.shtml With a population area of approx: 130,000 (or 80 thousand homes) thats about 40 thousand watching at 6.30. I think the idea will be to swap the one from the newsroom and put it in the studio - who knows. Anyway - DOGs :) On Wed 14/01/09 12:17 PM , Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv sent: I guess it would cost the viewers about £1 each to get BBC CI a new plasma... On 14 Jan 2009, 11:39 AM, wrote: If you ever find yourself watching BBC Channel Island news at 6.30pm or 10.25 (I think Sky 988) you'll see the old BBC Spotlight Channel Islands logo burned pretty deep into the studio plasma screen behind the presenter. Not sure what I think about DOGs though - never really notice them to be honest. On Wed 14/01/09 11:18 AM , Richard Lockwood richard.lockw...@gmail.com [2] sent: That's a pretty extreme form of tattooing - where'd you get it done? Cheers, Rich. ... Links: -- [1] mailto:r...@upyourego.com [2] mailto:richard.lockw...@gmail.com
Re: [backstage] DOGs on the BBC TV online streams?
This thread reminds me of our ongoing debate about use of the internal network in relation to the position of digital kit and broadcast sources. The centralist view is that you put all your encoders in a big data centre and route all the analogue through. That's great when you want to make an enterprise level change to reflect latest blah codec being released, but becomes bandwidth-challenging if you need to double-up and have clean feeds for everything (cheaper to let the DOGs in, particularly if people don¹t notice they¹re there). The devolved view is that you stash your encoders as close to your broadcast sources as possible. DOGs are a powerful argument in favour of the devolved approach because devolution favours the ability of the online broadcaster to provide streams that are unique and distinctive (rights permitting). The halcyon solution of course, is that broadcast sources become the point of digitisation. Gavin On 14/01/2009 12:17, Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv wrote: I guess it would cost the viewers about £1 each to get BBC CI a new plasma... On 14 Jan 2009, 11:39 AM, r...@upyourego.com wrote: If you ever find yourself watching BBC Channel Island news at 6.30pm or 10.25 (I think Sky 988) you'll see the old BBC Spotlight Channel Islands logo burned pretty deep into the studio plasma screen behind the presenter. Not sure what I think about DOGs though - never really notice them to be honest. On Wed 14/01/09 11:18 AM , Richard Lockwood richard.lockw...@gmail.com sent: That's a pretty extreme form of tattooing - where'd you get it done? Cheers, Rich. ...
Re: [backstage] DOGs on the BBC TV online streams?
2009/1/14 Gavin Johnson gavin.john...@bbc.co.uk This thread reminds me of our ongoing debate about use of the internal network in relation to the position of digital kit and broadcast sources. The centralist view is that you put all your encoders in a big data centre and route all the analogue through. route all the analogue through - I seem to remember spending a happy few years in the 1990s ripping out everything analogue and replacing them with fibre optic systems. Perhaps you are referring to uncompressed digital video (or broadcast quality), not analogue? That's great when you want to make an enterprise level change to reflect latest blah codec being released, but becomes bandwidth-challenging if you need to double-up and have clean feeds for everything (cheaper to let the DOGs in, particularly if people don't notice they're there). The devolved view is that you stash your encoders as close to your broadcast sources as possible. DOGs are a powerful argument in favour of the devolved approach because devolution favours the ability of the online broadcaster to provide streams that are unique and distinctive (rights permitting). The halcyon solution of course, is that broadcast sources become the point of digitisation. Gavin On 14/01/2009 12:17, Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv wrote: I guess it would cost the viewers about £1 each to get BBC CI a new plasma... On 14 Jan 2009, 11:39 AM, r...@upyourego.com wrote: If you ever find yourself watching BBC Channel Island news at 6.30pm or 10.25 (I think Sky 988) you'll see the old BBC Spotlight Channel Islands logo burned pretty deep into the studio plasma screen behind the presenter. Not sure what I think about DOGs though - never really notice them to be honest. *On Wed 14/01/09 11:18 AM , Richard Lockwood richard.lockw...@gmail.com*sent: That's a pretty extreme form of tattooing - where'd you get it done? Cheers, Rich. ... -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
[backstage] Bad links/Broken pages in iPlayer.
Hello. Been quite a long time since I actually posted on this list, so sorry for this slightly bug report focused post. I have had some really weird bugs with iPlayer lately. A few days ago, I went to http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/categories/comedy/tv , clicked on Most Recent, and found myself in the welsh version of the site. Thinking something weird was happening, I tried again, checked the address (the address changed to the address for the welsh site, so I think it was the link pointing me to the wrong place), and then tried on my laptop, which worked fine (and again on my desktop, which was still broken). Today I went to do the same thing for the Factual category, and instead of getting a list of programs, I was shown a 1x180px black image, with the correct address for the list of programmes in the address bar. I am fairly sure I have had this happen in the past as well. These do seem like the kind of bugs that are incredibly difficult to track down, and have both fixed themselves fairly quickly. Any suggestions on what could be causing them? I am assuming some caching somewhere is breaking, but would be interesting to know of any other potential causes. On a slightly more positive note, the iPlayer really is a fantastic service, so thanks for that. Thanks, Duncan
