RE: [backstage] WARN: backstage developer only list going down this weekend
And now a late fightback on the developer list. -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk]on Behalf Of Ian Forrester Sent: 15 July 2009 13:26 To: backstage-develo...@lists.bbc.co.uk Cc: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] WARN: backstage developer only list going down this weekend Importance: High This is the last call guys, the developer only list is going away at the end of the week. -- Hi Everyone, The developer only list (backstage-developer) was setup when there was massive amounts of traffic on the main list, however in recent months the traffic on the list has dropped and we are only seeing one or two posts on the developer only list. So we're looking to shutdown the developer only list and bring some unity and balance back to the main list. I understand this won't be supported by many of you, but we did give you the chance to feedback. So by the end of the week, we will shutdown the list and anyone attached to that list will be automatically unsubscribed. Big thanks to everyone who subscribed to the developer only list, I really hope you do re-subscribe to the main mailing list, which is much quieter now. It was considered to automatically move people across to the main list but it didn't seem fair. So if your interested in joining the main list again, just ping Major-domo a email on backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk with the subject "subscribe". Cheers, Ian Forrester This e-mail is: []secret; []private; [x]public Senior Producer, BBC Backstage, BBC R&D Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ email: ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk work: +44 (0)1612444063 | mob: +44 (0)7711913293 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.387 / Virus Database: 270.13.12/2235 - Release Date: 07/15/09 06:07:00 <>
RE: [backstage] You Tube to drop support for IE6
> IE6 should die a slow and painful death. Lack of > comprehensive support for widely used aspects of various web > languages, necessitating kludgey workarounds to make things > render at least moderately close to how the designers want > them to look. It's just plain rubbish. IE6 has lived long > past its sell-by-date and should be comprehensively dumped! > There's really no excuse for corporates to not update to IE7 or IE8. My BBC Desktop PC has recently only just been updated to IE7 - last week I think it was. One of the reasons why IE6 survived so long in the BBC was that older parts of our intranet and essential web applications, were built in such a way that IE7+ didn't work. You might be surprised to hear that given the BBC's public website is cross platform but it was the case. So there you go. BBC managed to lock down its intranet to IE6. It's not hard to imagine that the number of other corporates that have done the same are not insignificant. The excuse therefore is that these things take time and money to sort out. And business don't like spending money. (Interesting Q - is the cost of sorting out the mess and just upgrading apps to be IE7 only, more or less than making them cross platform!) So I'd argue there is an excuse not to update. There's just no sensible reason why corporates got themselves into the mess in the first place. The BBC's policy now is, incidentally, to ensure that this doesn't happen again on its intranet. Cos it is after all, a bit embarrassing to be still using IE6 as the desktop :) Not that I did. I've got Firefox :) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] WARN: backstage developer only list going down this weekend
How come when you make these announcements about closing the developer list something contrary happens? The last time it was a flurry of activity on the developer list. This time it's a flurry of activity on the main list. Most odd. -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk]on Behalf Of Ian Forrester Sent: 15 July 2009 13:26 To: backstage-develo...@lists.bbc.co.uk Cc: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] WARN: backstage developer only list going down this weekend Importance: High This is the last call guys, the developer only list is going away at the end of the week. -- Hi Everyone, The developer only list (backstage-developer) was setup when there was massive amounts of traffic on the main list, however in recent months the traffic on the list has dropped and we are only seeing one or two posts on the developer only list. So we're looking to shutdown the developer only list and bring some unity and balance back to the main list. I understand this won't be supported by many of you, but we did give you the chance to feedback. So by the end of the week, we will shutdown the list and anyone attached to that list will be automatically unsubscribed. Big thanks to everyone who subscribed to the developer only list, I really hope you do re-subscribe to the main mailing list, which is much quieter now. It was considered to automatically move people across to the main list but it didn't seem fair. So if your interested in joining the main list again, just ping Major-domo a email on backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk with the subject "subscribe". Cheers, Ian Forrester This e-mail is: []secret; []private; [x]public Senior Producer, BBC Backstage, BBC R&D Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ email: ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk work: +44 (0)1612444063 | mob: +44 (0)7711913293 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.387 / Virus Database: 270.13.12/2235 - Release Date: 07/15/09 06:07:00 <>
RE: [backstage] You Tube to drop support for IE6
> > IE6 should die a slow and painful death. > > Yep. The main reason www.nhs.uk still supports it is because > of all the internal users who have it - many of them senior > stakeholders for whom the standard argument about > obsolescence wouldn't wash. It's just disgraceful really. Maybe the argument should be made that not upgrading from IE6 is patently unsafe security practice? - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] You Tube to drop support for IE6
On 15/07/2009, Scot McSweeney-Roberts wrote: > > > On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 13:22, Peter Bowyer wrote: > > > > of the UK government still use IE6 unfortunately.Especially unfortunate > if you happen to be a member of that community > > If you're in an organization (government or not) that's still mandating IE6 > aren't you probably going to be working somewhere where they don't want you > watching YouTube anyway? Unfortnately again, that's not necessarily a valid correlation. -- Peter Bowyer Email: pe...@bowyer.org Follow me on Twitter: twitter.com/peeebeee - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] You Tube to drop support for IE6
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 13:22, Peter Bowyer wrote: > of the UK government still use IE6 unfortunately. > Especially unfortunate if you happen to be a member of that community If you're in an organization (government or not) that's still mandating IE6 aren't you probably going to be working somewhere where they don't want you watching YouTube anyway? Scot
Re: [backstage] You Tube to drop support for IE6
On 15/07/2009, Christopher Woods wrote: > > > Large parts of the UK government still use IE6 unfortunately. > > Especially unfortunate if you happen to be a member of that > > community :-( > > For shame, maybe they'll have to do some real work for once ;) Nah, that would never do. > IE6 should die a slow and painful death. Yep. The main reason www.nhs.uk still supports it is because of all the internal users who have it - many of them senior stakeholders for whom the standard argument about obsolescence wouldn't wash. Peter -- Peter Bowyer Email: pe...@bowyer.org Follow me on Twitter: twitter.com/peeebeee - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] You Tube to drop support for IE6
Scary thought, hope they turned off activex at least Ian Forrester This e-mail is: []secret; [x]private; []public Senior Producer, BBC Backstage, BBC R&D Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ email: ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk work: +44 (0)1612444063 | mob: +44 (0)7711913293 -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Peter Bowyer Sent: 15 July 2009 13:23 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] You Tube to drop support for IE6 On 15/07/2009, Ian Forrester wrote: > http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/14/youtube-will-be-next-to-kiss-ie6- > support-goodbye/ > > Interesting seeing how we still support IE6 - > http://www.bbc.co.uk/guidelines/futuremedia/technical/browser_support. > shtml#support_table Large parts of the UK government still use IE6 unfortunately. Especially unfortunate if you happen to be a member of that community :-( Peter -- Peter Bowyer Email: pe...@bowyer.org Follow me on Twitter: twitter.com/peeebeee - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] You Tube to drop support for IE6
> Large parts of the UK government still use IE6 unfortunately. > Especially unfortunate if you happen to be a member of that > community :-( For shame, maybe they'll have to do some real work for once ;) IE6 should die a slow and painful death. Lack of comprehensive support for widely used aspects of various web languages, necessitating kludgey workarounds to make things render at least moderately close to how the designers want them to look. It's just plain rubbish. IE6 has lived long past its sell-by-date and should be comprehensively dumped! There's really no excuse for corporates to not update to IE7 or IE8. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] WARN: backstage developer only list going down this weekend
This is the last call guys, the developer only list is going away at the end of the week. -- Hi Everyone, The developer only list (backstage-developer) was setup when there was massive amounts of traffic on the main list, however in recent months the traffic on the list has dropped and we are only seeing one or two posts on the developer only list. So we're looking to shutdown the developer only list and bring some unity and balance back to the main list. I understand this won't be supported by many of you, but we did give you the chance to feedback. So by the end of the week, we will shutdown the list and anyone attached to that list will be automatically unsubscribed. Big thanks to everyone who subscribed to the developer only list, I really hope you do re-subscribe to the main mailing list, which is much quieter now. It was considered to automatically move people across to the main list but it didn't seem fair. So if your interested in joining the main list again, just ping Major-domo a email on backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk with the subject "subscribe". Cheers, Ian Forrester This e-mail is: []secret; []private; [x]public Senior Producer, BBC Backstage, BBC R&D Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ email: ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk work: +44 (0)1612444063 | mob: +44 (0)7711913293 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] You Tube to drop support for IE6
On 15/07/2009, Ian Forrester wrote: > http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/14/youtube-will-be-next-to-kiss-ie6-support-goodbye/ > > Interesting seeing how we still support IE6 - > http://www.bbc.co.uk/guidelines/futuremedia/technical/browser_support.shtml#support_table Large parts of the UK government still use IE6 unfortunately. Especially unfortunate if you happen to be a member of that community :-( Peter -- Peter Bowyer Email: pe...@bowyer.org Follow me on Twitter: twitter.com/peeebeee - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC programme about Open Source being made ?
SECOND REQUEST. Instead of launching new things, how about fixing the list unsubscribe routine... http://www.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/cgiemail/creativearchive/backstage/discuss.txt Error No email was sent due to an error. 500 Could not open template - No such file or directory /home/system/www/creativearchive/backstage/discuss.txt As I think moving everything to spam folder via Google might be a little extreme... Darren
[backstage] You Tube to drop support for IE6
http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/14/youtube-will-be-next-to-kiss-ie6-support-goodbye/ Interesting seeing how we still support IE6 - http://www.bbc.co.uk/guidelines/futuremedia/technical/browser_support.shtml#support_table Ian Forrester This e-mail is: []secret; []private; [x]public Senior Producer, BBC Backstage, BBC R&D Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ email: ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk work: +44 (0)1612444063 | mob: +44 (0)7711913293 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC programme about Open Source being made ?
David Greaves wrote: I heard (from a colleague in the US) that the BBC were making a programme or series about open source. Anyone here know anything about it or anyone involved? Are you aware of that BBC funded two part documentary the name of which I've forgotten that got released under a creative commons licence after it was aired. I can't for the life of me remember the name though I remember downloading it and watching it :-/ I'll try and google for it a bit later on.. Tim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Mobile sites - how wide
Hi,
The only problem I have with the wurfl.sourceforge.net system is that the
server I pay for has a memory limit ("Allowed memory size of 68157440 bytes
exhausted") and I can't unpack the XML file to the cache.
But an online service would be great for mobile sites.
There could be several ways to do this, but I would imagine that a 200ms
delay in the response would encourage the response to be stuck in a $SESSION
or cookie.
Low-level PHP could just be $x=file_get_contents("http://xxx.com/detect?"; .
$_SERVER['HTTP_USER_AGENT']);
2009/7/14 Dirk-Willem van Gulik
> Brian Butterworth wrote:
>
> 2009/7/14 Dirk-Willem van Gulik
>
>> Try a search for UAProf and Wurfl. The latter is prolly simplest. It is a
>> centrally maintained file. Fetch the XML file at
>> https://sourceforge.net/projects/wurfl/files/ regularly - and preparse -
>> or use the sample code.
>>
>>
>> (Who is now wondering if we should make this an even easier/'free-er'
>> service on PAL & Forge).
>
>
> That will be me.
>
> Feel free to have a chat with me (or Lars, or Graham) for inspiration as
> to how we could do something at a very low PHP or Apache layer (e.g. with a
> bit of berkelydb, annotation moduling or memcache) - as to make the cost
> incredibly low (i.e. so you can do it on any request - and have little need
> to copy it in your session profile).
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dw
>
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