RE: [backstage] RealAudio for local radio - gone missing?

2009-09-08 Thread adancy+backstage 
I hadn't seen that page before - very handy. 
 
Mind you, I wonder how accurate it is, considering it has RealAudio listed
as a supported format for local radio (which we now know is being phased
out) and it's got Windows Media as a supported format for Listen Again on
network radio (when I didn't think that had actually launched yet?)
 
In case this all sounds like carping I'd just like to say how great it is
that the Beeb is providing all these streams and letting people like myself
muck about with them, but it's like cake - once you have some you just want
more and more!
 
Andrew

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[mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth


You need to note: 

http://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.uk/help/playing_programmes/radio_players

 

http://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.uk/help/finding_programmes/real_wma_strea
ms

Brian Butterworth

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Re: [backstage] RealAudio for local radio - gone missing?

2009-09-08 Thread Brian Butterworth 
You need to note:
http://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.uk/help/playing_programmes/radio_players


http://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.uk/help/finding_programmes/real_wma_streams

2009/9/8 >

>  So a fair summary for what's happening with radio would be as follows:
>
> Local Radio - changing from Real to WMA for the low bitrate option
> Network Radio - staying as is, although presumably with WMA being added
> eventually as per previous comments on BBC blogs
> World Service - staying as is, but with the future addition of AAC
>
> Ironically, since Friday a number of the previously missing RealAudio
> programme streams appear to have come alive again! Presumably this is just
> their last swansong before they are sent to the great /dev/null in the
> sky...
>
> Andrew
>
>  --
> *From:* owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:
> owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] *On Behalf Of *John O'Donovan
>  Hi Andrew,
>
> generally these streams won't be available as RealAudio in the future. As
> you will no doubt have seen, the BBC is reducing it's dependency on Real
> Media as a delivery mechanism, though it will still be supported.
>
> Coyopa was designed to meet the needs of centralised National Radio rather
> than Local Radio and the distribution problems, source quality and encoding
> issues for Local Radio are very different, complicated and expensive to
> develop. Local Radio is still dependent on gathering the streams through a
> variety of methods and encoding at an aggregation point, and this
> aggregation point is at capacity at the moment.
>
> Cheers,
>
> jod
>
>
>
>
>


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RE: [backstage] RealAudio for local radio - gone missing?

2009-09-08 Thread Gareth Davis 
Andrew,
World Service is a bit more complicated:
 
WS English was the first BBC Radio channel to offer a live AAC stream
without having to sign up to a beta. This was available from
http://bbcworldservice.com/ initially, and more recently from iPlayer
after some technical issues with the integration were resolved. BBC
Arabic, BBC Russian also offer full time AAC live streams currently. 
 
In terms of on-demands: BBC Brasil was the first BBC Radio station to
offer AAC on-demand, followed by BBC Vietnamese, BBC Urdu, WS English,
BBC Mundo, BBC Russian, BBC Arabic BBC Hindi and BBC Turkish. The
remainder of the 33 languages will get live and on-demand AAC as the
sites and infrastructure are updated over the coming months.
 
In addition we also provide Shoutcast MP3 at 32Kbps of our English,
Arabic and Russian live streams for mobile use. We are looking into
expanding this into more live streams and an on-demand service in the
future, but no firm dates as yet.
-- 
Gareth Davis | Production Systems Specialist
World Service Future Media, Digital Delivery Team - Part of BBC Global
News Division
* http://www.bbcworldservice.com/   *
702NE Bush House, Strand, London, WC2B 4PH




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Subject: RE: [backstage] RealAudio for local radio - gone
missing?


So a fair summary for what's happening with radio would be as
follows:
 
Local Radio - changing from Real to WMA for the low bitrate
option
Network Radio - staying as is, although presumably with WMA
being added eventually as per previous comments on BBC blogs
World Service - staying as is, but with the future addition of
AAC
 
Ironically, since Friday a number of the previously missing
RealAudio programme streams appear to have come alive again! Presumably
this is just their last swansong before they are sent to the great
/dev/null in the sky...
 
Andrew



From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk
[mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of John O'Donovan

Hi Andrew,
 
generally these streams won't be available as RealAudio in the
future. As you will no doubt have seen, the BBC is reducing it's
dependency on Real Media as a delivery mechanism, though it will still
be supported.
 
Coyopa was designed to meet the needs of centralised National
Radio rather than Local Radio and the distribution problems, source
quality and encoding issues for Local Radio are very different,
complicated and expensive to develop. Local Radio is still dependent on
gathering the streams through a variety of methods and encoding at an
aggregation point, and this aggregation point is at capacity at the
moment.
 
Cheers,
 
jod

Re: [backstage] RealAudio for local radio - gone missing?

2009-09-08 Thread Paul Webster 
Re: [backstage] RealAudio for local radio - gone missing?For the internet 
radio device community - the most important aspect of this is that there is 
a direct streaming URL using one of the "standard" protocols and codecs.
It is a big shame that it is the low bit-rate version that is offered to 
iPlayer users with dial-up modems.


Any dates for when the service is likely to be resumed?

Paul Webster
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To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 10:23 AM
Subject: RE: [backstage] RealAudio for local radio - gone missing?


So a fair summary for what's happening with radio would be as follows:

Local Radio - changing from Real to WMA for the low bitrate option
Network Radio - staying as is, although presumably with WMA being added 
eventually as per previous comments on BBC blogs

World Service - staying as is, but with the future addition of AAC

Ironically, since Friday a number of the previously missing RealAudio 
programme streams appear to have come alive again! Presumably this is just 
their last swansong before they are sent to the great /dev/null in the 
sky...


Andrew




From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk 
[mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of John O'Donovan


Hi Andrew,

generally these streams won't be available as RealAudio in the future. As 
you will no doubt have seen, the BBC is reducing it's dependency on Real 
Media as a delivery mechanism, though it will still be supported.


Coyopa was designed to meet the needs of centralised National Radio rather 
than Local Radio and the distribution problems, source quality and encoding 
issues for Local Radio are very different, complicated and expensive to 
develop. Local Radio is still dependent on gathering the streams through a 
variety of methods and encoding at an aggregation point, and this 
aggregation point is at capacity at the moment.


Cheers,

jod 


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RE: [backstage] RealAudio for local radio - gone missing?

2009-09-08 Thread adancy+backstage 
So a fair summary for what's happening with radio would be as follows:
 
Local Radio - changing from Real to WMA for the low bitrate option
Network Radio - staying as is, although presumably with WMA being added
eventually as per previous comments on BBC blogs
World Service - staying as is, but with the future addition of AAC
 
Ironically, since Friday a number of the previously missing RealAudio
programme streams appear to have come alive again! Presumably this is just
their last swansong before they are sent to the great /dev/null in the
sky...
 
Andrew

  _  

From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk
[mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of John O'Donovan

Hi Andrew,
 
generally these streams won't be available as RealAudio in the future. As
you will no doubt have seen, the BBC is reducing it's dependency on Real
Media as a delivery mechanism, though it will still be supported.
 
Coyopa was designed to meet the needs of centralised National Radio rather
than Local Radio and the distribution problems, source quality and encoding
issues for Local Radio are very different, complicated and expensive to
develop. Local Radio is still dependent on gathering the streams through a
variety of methods and encoding at an aggregation point, and this
aggregation point is at capacity at the moment.
 
Cheers,
 
jod