RE: [backstage] Free as in 'Free Bird'

2009-10-09 Thread Chris Sizemore
...and this bird you cannot chay... ay-ayee-a-ay-a-ay-ange...

Re: [backstage] Google Wave

2009-10-09 Thread Tim Dobson
Richard Lockwood wrote: Oh - peed off doesn't come into it. And thank you - if it does, you're a gent and I owe you a pint. I still stand by my opinion of Google's tactics though. :-) Yeah, I'd 100% agree there though I'd probably use less expletives to produce the same effect. It's a

Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread Richard Lockwood
It is my genuine position. Abolishing copyright would  achieve exactly what I want. This is what it all boils down to whenever the let's abolish copyright for the good of society. It's actually about let's abolish copyright for my own personal benefit. You simply don't want to have to pay

RE: [backstage] Google Wave

2009-10-09 Thread Rupert Watson
Tim If you haven't watched it, I really recommend you watch Lars's demo that is online. It is an hour and a half or so, but it gives a VERY good feel for what they think is possible. I stuck it on the phone and watched it on the commute. I got quite excited at some points. As a support company I

RE: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread Nick Reynolds-FMT
Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Martin Belam Sent: 08 October 2009 22:46 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom' David,

Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Free Bird'

2009-10-09 Thread Brian Butterworth
The only tune I hear is from the Propellerheads and Shirley Bassey - History Repeating 2009/10/9 Chris Sizemore chris.sizem...@bbc.co.uk ...and this bird you cannot chay... ay-ayee-a-ay-a-ay-ange... -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web:

Re: [backstage] Google Wave

2009-10-09 Thread Brian Butterworth
I guess I'm going to loath it until I get an invite, just like I did with Gmail... 2009/10/9 Rupert Watson rup...@root6.com Tim If you haven't watched it, I really recommend you watch Lars's demo that is online. It is an hour and a half or so, but it gives a VERY good feel for what they

Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Free Bird'

2009-10-09 Thread John O'Donovan
Did you clear copyright for those Lyrics before reproducing them, Chris? Just that there is a swat team gathering around the Media Centre. . . . From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk

Re: [backstage] mailing list subs form is broken

2009-10-09 Thread Steve Jolly
Fearghas McKay wrote: On 8 Oct 2009, at 23:48, Steve Jolly wrote: PS If you ever bump into him in person, do buy him a beer... Whenever I bump into him he is never drinks beer... Or valid beer substitute... S - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please

Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread Alia Sheikh
Sorry for prattling on for so long. Hi Tom, found this interesting, and you've reminded me to read through this http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2002/4/25/1345/03329 so for 'prattling' it's decent;) Alia Tom Morris wrote: On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 22:32, David Tomlinson d.tomlin...@tiscali.co.uk

Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread Alia Sheikh
Dave, So we can have this discussion in only a manner which is determined by yourself? Children count, pictures of dogs count, pictures of someone's gran or bank statement or a tree counts. If your arguments hold tight then they hold tight for all examples. Hard to have a discussion when

Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread Alia Sheikh
My suggestion is that you don't post images you don't want re-distributed in a public place. Sounds fun for all those artists with showreels David Tomlinson wrote: Martin Belam wrote: I suspect you can trust your family, friends etc to respect your wishes, and you can limit the

Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread David Tomlinson
Mo McRoberts wrote: On 9-Oct-2009, at 00:21, David Tomlinson wrote: For obvious reasons I do not wish to discuss children as a subject anymore. It’s not obvious at all. People need to stop with the nervousness when the words “children” and “photograph” appear in a sentence together; it’s,

Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread David Tomlinson
Nick Reynolds-FMT wrote: Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose Freedom is another word for self determination. Incarceration, the opposite of Freedom is no control. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit

Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread David Tomlinson
Richard Lockwood wrote: It is my genuine position. Abolishing copyright would achieve exactly what I want. This is what it all boils down to whenever the let's abolish copyright for the good of society. It's actually about let's abolish copyright for my own personal benefit. You simply

Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread Alia Sheikh
This seems to roughly translate to 'anything anyone makes that they show to the world, can be taken and used by anyone in the world'. Which feels like a setup for making creators very paranoid about what they share with the world. Doesnt seem like a fun place to live if it had that effect. The

Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread Sean DALY
All we have to do now Is take these lies and make them true somehow All we have to see Is that I don't belong to you And you don't belong to me Freedom You've gotta give for what you take Freedom You've gotta give for what you take On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Nick Reynolds-FMT

RE: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread Deirdre Harvey
Nick Reynolds-FMT wrote: Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose Freedom is another word for self determination. Incarceration, the opposite of Freedom is no control. Isn't your argument that control is bad and that people must relinquish control for your benefit? -

Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread David Tomlinson
Alia Sheikh wrote: My suggestion is that you don't post images you don't want re-distributed in a public place. Sounds fun for all those artists with showreels Showreels are advertising, don't you want the widest possible distribution ? Electronically signed to show they have not been

Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread David Tomlinson
Alia Sheikh wrote: Dave, So we can have this discussion in only a manner which is determined by yourself? Children count, pictures of dogs count, pictures of someone's gran or bank statement or a tree counts. If your arguments hold tight then they hold tight for all examples. Hard to have a

RE: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread Robin Doran
Anyone remember this for earlier in the year? Prime example of privacy and personal respect being abused. A company in Prague used a family picture off facebook for commercial purposes without consent, attribution, etc. http://www.extraordinarymommy.com/blog/are-you-kidding-me/stolen-picture /

Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread David Tomlinson
Sean DALY wrote: So if I understand you, let's abolish copyright, and that way Microsoft, Adobe et.al. can just chuck their bloated old code and incorporate formerly free software into their binaries? And charge an arm and a leg for it as well. Read Hat, SUSE etc all manage without a state

Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread Richard Lockwood
On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 11:16 AM, David Tomlinson d.tomlin...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Richard Lockwood wrote: It is my genuine position. Abolishing copyright would  achieve exactly what I want. This is what it all boils down to whenever the let's abolish copyright for the good of society.  

Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread Alex Mace
It all seems moot to me anyway. No one is required to enforce or protect their copyright. If David or whoever wants to live in a copyright free world, then go right ahead. The greater problem is that copyright has been abused both by end users and corporations. The Associated Press's

Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread David Tomlinson
Steve Jolly wrote: David Tomlinson wrote: Yes, I am aware of this, but why five years, why not one year why not three months, and if three months, why at all. A year or less strikes me as too little because too many people would just wait until it was free. 5-10 years seems like a more

Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread Richard Lockwood
On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 11:23 AM, David Tomlinson d.tomlin...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Alia Sheikh wrote: Dave, So we can have this discussion in only a manner which is determined by yourself? Children count, pictures of dogs count, pictures of someone's gran or bank statement or a tree counts.  

RE: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread Deirdre Harvey
I don't want your Freedom. I don't want to play around. I don't want nobody baby. Part time love just brings me down. -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Sean DALY Sent: 09 October 2009 11:18 To:

RE: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread Michael Smethurst
and this old chestnut http://www.creativecommons.org.au/node/126 -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk on behalf of Robin Doran Sent: Fri 10/9/2009 11:25 AM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom' Anyone remember this for earlier

Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread Mo McRoberts
On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 11:27, David Tomlinson d.tomlin...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Read Hat, SUSE etc all manage without a state sponsored monopoly, Microsoft can do so too. No thanks. I prefer the GPL, which derives its power from copyright law - the concept that creators decide how their work

Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread David Tomlinson
Tom Morris wrote: I agree with Tom's argument. Vanity publishing does not require copyright. It is just noise, unless someone likes it. So, yeah, counter-factuals seem like a bad way to go in the debate unless there is some nice way of finding a neutral, scientifically respectable way of

Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread David Tomlinson
Robin Doran wrote: Anyone remember this for earlier in the year? Prime example of privacy and personal respect being abused. A company in Prague used a family picture off facebook for commercial purposes without consent, attribution, etc. And taking them to court, will give you the right for

Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread Alia Sheikh
Your arguments should hold true for anything involving the word Nazi too:) Interesting the control you are trying to exercise over our freedom to discuss this topic. Alia David Tomlinson wrote: Alia Sheikh wrote: Dave, So we can have this discussion in only a manner which is determined by

Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread Sean DALY
I'm afraid you're mistaken. Talk to anyone in legal at Red Hat or Novell, or Canonical, they will tell you how much they rely on state-sponsored monopoly schemes such as copyright, patents, trademarks, and trade secrets. I attended the third international GPLv3 draft conference

Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread Sean DALY
Well, Henry III tried to throw out the Magna Carta too, and look where it got him. That darned French influence I suppose - Eleanor of Provence and her cronies at court, no doubt with the first reading of HADOPI. On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 12:16 PM, David Tomlinson d.tomlin...@tiscali.co.uk wrote:

Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread David Tomlinson
Richard Lockwood wrote: No. That's just you realising you're just digging yourself deeper and looking for a way out. See Michael Smethurst's post, it is a topic in in itself and does not solely rely only upon copyright. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe,

Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread David Tomlinson
Deirdre Harvey wrote: Nick Reynolds-FMT wrote: Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose Freedom is another word for self determination. Incarceration, the opposite of Freedom is no control. Isn't your argument that control is bad and that people must relinquish control for

Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread David Tomlinson
Richard Lockwood wrote: None of that makes any sense whatsoever. It made sense to me, several million people in the UK fileshare without regard to copyright. But the proposed cure (Three strikes), which bypasses the legal system is worse than the problem. - Sent via the

Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread Dave Crossland
David, Your mention of His Dark Lordship and the Magna Carter made me wonder, perhaps you should declare yourself a 'Freeman On The Land' - www.fmotl.com- and become exempt from copyright, council tax - www.nocounciltax.com - and all other statutory laws. Regards, Dave On 9 Oct 2009, 11:21 AM,

Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread Zen
People, places and possessions get used all the time without their consent by the big broadcasters. The only difference is that the broadcasters have used their own hardware to capture the image or sound, etc. Why is okay for broadcasters to consider their work copyright protected, but

Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread Richard Lockwood
No.  That's just you realising you're just digging yourself deeper and looking for a way out. See Michael Smethurst's post, it is a topic in in itself and does not solely rely only upon copyright. Now you're just randomly quoting bits of messages and dropping in irrelevant soundbites. You

Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread David Tomlinson
Alia Sheikh wrote: Your arguments should hold true for anything involving the word Nazi too:) Interesting the control you are trying to exercise over our freedom to discuss this topic. Alia I am just trying to keep on topic and not disappear along a tangent. I think I am been reasonable, but

Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread David Tomlinson
Mo McRoberts wrote: We covered this already. The effect of the GPL cannot be achieved _without_ copyright. Any ends can be achieved through primary legislation that can be achieved through copyright as copyright is primary legislation. We can create a GPL like environment without having to

RE: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread Nick Reynolds-FMT
But the particular law of copyright, imposes more costs than benefits and should be abolished. I'd like to see some hard numbers/evidence for this statement. How much are the costs? In dollars and pounds? How much is the benefit? Not statements of principle, but numbers. My opinion is that is

Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread Richard Lockwood
On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 12:16 PM, David Tomlinson d.tomlin...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Richard Lockwood wrote: None of that makes any sense whatsoever. It made sense to me, several million people in the UK fileshare without regard to copyright. But the proposed cure (Three strikes), which

Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread David Tomlinson
Sean DALY wrote: I'm afraid you're mistaken. Talk to anyone in legal at Red Hat or Novell, or Canonical, they will tell you how much they rely on state-sponsored monopoly schemes such as copyright, patents, trademarks, and trade secrets. I attended the third international GPLv3 draft conference

Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread Sean DALY
Some legal systems, particularly in French-speaking countries, beyond commercial use do indeed restrict broadcast and print and Internet journalism use of recognizable images of persons without prior permission, with fairly well-defined exceptions particularly for the press. In the case of minors,

RE: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread Robert Binney
This is so built into the economic model that it would surely be nearly impossible to separate off the cost and the benefit. Abolistion is no doubt an impossibly radical step, but subtle modifications could no doubt have disproportionate impacts across industry commerce. Ecomomies should

Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread vijay chopra
The problem with varying copyright terms by medium is that it gets confusing for the average person, however I (and a majority of the PPUK) agree with you about copyright being used for reasons other than purely financial. This is one of the reasons for the debate about when the 5+5 copyright term

Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread David Tomlinson
Nick Reynolds-FMT wrote: But the particular law of copyright, imposes more costs than benefits and should be abolished. I'd like to see some hard numbers/evidence for this statement. How much are the costs? In dollars and pounds? How much is the benefit? Not statements of principle, but

Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread David Tomlinson
Alia Sheikh wrote: This seems to roughly translate to 'anything anyone makes that they show to the world, can be taken and used by anyone in the world'. Which feels like a setup for making creators very paranoid about what they share with the world. Doesnt seem like a fun place to live if it

Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread David Tomlinson
Alex Mace wrote: It all seems moot to me anyway. No one is required to enforce or protect their copyright. If David or whoever wants to live in a copyright free world, then go right ahead. The greater problem is that copyright has been abused both by end users and corporations. The

Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread David Tomlinson
Richard Lockwood wrote: No. That's just you realising you're just digging yourself deeper and looking for a way out. See Michael Smethurst's post, it is a topic in in itself and does not solely rely only upon copyright. Now you're just randomly quoting bits of messages and dropping in

Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread Mo McRoberts
On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 13:09, David Tomlinson d.tomlin...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: I'd like to see some hard numbers/evidence for this statement. How much are the costs? In dollars and pounds? How much is the benefit? Not statements of principle, but numbers. My opinion is that is you had hard

RE: [backstage] mailing list subs form is broken

2009-10-09 Thread Caroline Yates
Using the subscription form referenced at the bottom of every email gives: -=-=- ErrorNo email was sent due to an error. 500 Could not open template - No such file or directory /home/system/www/creativearchive/backstage/discuss.txt cgiemail 1.6 -=-=- Could someone poke it when

Re: [backstage] Google Wave

2009-10-09 Thread Luf Ball
I would like a Google Wave invite. Thanks L. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/

RE: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread Deirdre Harvey
-Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of David Tomlinson Sent: 09 October 2009 12:12 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom' Deirdre Harvey wrote: Nick

Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread David Tomlinson
Mo McRoberts wrote: Permitting (and encouraging) filesharing is not the same as abolishing copyright. Thankfully, it’s not incompatible with copyright, either. Indeed, it’s been trialled as a catch-up/distribution mechanism by PSBs outside of the UK over the past couple of years, with decent

Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread Steve Jolly
David Tomlinson wrote: Steve Jolly wrote: A year or less strikes me as too little because too many people would just wait until it was free. 5-10 years seems like a more realistic minimum in that regard. Mind you, I think that copyright terms would vary by medium, ideally. It's free from

Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread David Tomlinson
Deirdre Harvey wrote: We don't call them all laws. No and not all fish are sharks, but sharks are fish. But the particular law of copyright, imposes more costs than benefits and should be abolished. That is your contention, it is not a fact. Yes, and I am defending that contention.

Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread Alia Sheikh
review or abolish? bit pointless abolishing flippers before inventing feet David Tomlinson wrote: I just think copyright is a bad law and we should review (abolish) it. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit

Re: [backstage] Google Wave

2009-10-09 Thread Billy Abbott
Luf Ball wrote: I would like a Google Wave invite. I would like a pony. -- http://billyabbott.co.uk You say tomato, I say EMACS - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list

Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread Tim Dobson
Sean DALY wrote: So if I understand you, let's abolish copyright, and that way Microsoft, Adobe et.al. can just chuck their bloated old code and incorporate formerly free software into their binaries? And charge an arm and a leg for it as well. No thanks. I prefer the GPL, which derives its

Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread David Tomlinson
Steve Jolly wrote: If you abolish copyright, then there's no way for the author to benefit from those revenue streams, because the people who make the CDs, T-Shirts and books have no reason to pay the author. Fans will buy T-Shirts, from the bands official site shop, or Gig;s for which

Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread David Tomlinson
Alia Sheikh wrote: review or abolish? I think there is a case for abolish, other may wish to review it first. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive:

Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread David Tomlinson
Alia Sheikh wrote: I am not alone: http://ssrn.com/abstract=976733 It is not surprising that such broad criticism, from such a diverse group of critics, has now emerged. Intellectual property products form the core of today’s New Economy of high technology, communications, and

Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread David Tomlinson
Simon Thompson wrote: A quote from the abstract of an accepted paper to a non-peer reviewed journal edited by second year law students about US intellectual property law does not prove the case the argument. I think it is prima face evidence that I am not alone in expressing doubts about

Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread David Tomlinson
Mo McRoberts wrote: Um. yes, but “use of filesharing technology” is completely unrelated in anything but a technical sense to sanctioning individuals sharing content themselves on filesharing networks. The implication is that the BBC approved of the sharing of iplayer content, of course it

Re: [backstage] Google Wave

2009-10-09 Thread Steve Jolly
Billy Abbott wrote: I would like a pony. That sounds somewhat easier: there are more ponies in the world than Google Wave invites. S - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.

Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread David Tomlinson
With regard to Spain, I am not familiar with the current situation but some decision are going the way of the torrent sites, http://torrentfreak.com/spanish-judge-non-commercial-filesharing-is-legal/ The ruling was made yesterday (Thursday) by Judge Paz Aldecoa in a penal court in Santander,

Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread Mo McRoberts
On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 15:43, David Tomlinson d.tomlin...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: The implication is that the BBC approved of the sharing of iplayer content, of course it was subject to DRM. No, it really didn’t. That’s adding two and two together and getting pi. - Sent via the

RE: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread Deirdre Harvey
-Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of David Tomlinson Sent: 09 October 2009 15:38 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom' Simon Thompson wrote: A quote from the

Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread David Tomlinson
Mo McRoberts wrote: No, it really didn’t. P2P requires the sharing of the content, only between users to the iPlayer, using the BBC approved software. I don't mean the BBC intended to share it on public P2P networks or internationally.

Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread David Tomlinson
Deirdre Harvey wrote: You aren't expressing any doubts about Intellectual Property Law and Copyright. Most of the rest of the contributors to the thread are expressing doubts. YOu are alone in your dogmatic certainty, not your doubt. I think the evidence justifies the abolition of copyright.

Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread David Tomlinson
Alia Sheikh wrote: If you abolish copyright, then there's no way for the author to benefit from those revenue streams, because the people who make the CDs, T-Shirts and books have no reason to pay the author. Fans will buy T-Shirts, from the bands official site shop, or Gig;s for which

Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread Mo McRoberts
[Swapped order of paragraphs to make more sense] On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 17:16, David Tomlinson d.tomlin...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: iPlayer uses an application called Kontiki that manages your programme downloads. The problem is Kontiki is a P2P application that not only downloads content, but

Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread Martin Belam
I'll just run this by everyone again If you wish to talk about personal images use the example of adults, a spouse for example. Or personal information. Involving children is like using the word Nazi, it is designed to close down debate, because of the moral panic surrounding the issue. Yep,

Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread David Tomlinson
Perhaps we are at cross purposes... http://torrentfreak.com/bbc-gets-ready-for-bittorrent-distribution-090409/ Like many broadcasters today, the BBC is open to experimenting with online video distribution, allowing viewers to watch shows online. However, due to complex copyright issues people

Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread David Tomlinson
Martin Belam wrote: I'll just run this by everyone again If you wish to talk about personal images use the example of adults, a spouse for example. Or personal information. Involving children is like using the word Nazi, it is designed to close down debate, because of the moral panic

Re: [backstage] Google Wave

2009-10-09 Thread Brian Butterworth
Yeah, me too... 2009/10/9 Luf Ball lufoma...@gmail.com I would like a Google Wave invite. Thanks L. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive:

Re: [backstage] Google Wave

2009-10-09 Thread Gary Kirk
Nobody who gets invites from Google is getting invites of their own yet. So we will all just have to wait. On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 8:25 PM, Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tvwrote: Yeah, me too... 2009/10/9 Luf Ball lufoma...@gmail.com I would like a Google Wave invite. Thanks L. -

Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread Brian Butterworth
It's the old http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law 2009/10/9 David Tomlinson d.tomlin...@tiscali.co.uk Alia Sheikh wrote: Dave, So we can have this discussion in only a manner which is determined by yourself? Children count, pictures of dogs count, pictures of someone's gran or bank

Re: [backstage] Free as in 'Freedom'

2009-10-09 Thread Richard Lockwood
Dear David, You are getting less and less reasonable with each posting you make. I assert that you are a dickhead of the highest order and are going straight into my trash folder. If you could off a bit quicker, that would be much appreciated. Best regards etc, Rich. On Fri, Oct 9, 2009

Re: [backstage] Google Wave

2009-10-09 Thread Tim Dobson
Rupert Watson wrote: Tim If you haven't watched it, I really recommend you watch Lars's demo that is online. It is an hour and a half or so, but it gives a VERY good feel for what they think is possible. I stuck it on the phone and watched it on the commute. I got quite excited at some points.