Re: [backstage] BBC Trust approves Project Canvas ...

2010-06-28 Thread Kieran Kunhya
  Does anyone else see this as the BBC effectively
 bailing out other broadcasters
  by providing a common platform backed with licence fee
 funded content and development?
 
 No, this is what I'd expect the BBC to do.
 
 It serves the public when market-based squabbles over
 alternative technological
 platforms don't happen, and everyone just gets on with
 innovating atop a
 good-enough platform, rather than frittering away
 consumers' time and money
 by playing platform argy-bargy.

That's a very interesting point - I've never really thought of Canvas as a form 
of market failure correction.


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Re: [backstage] BBC Trust approves Project Canvas ...

2010-06-28 Thread Scot McSweeney-Roberts
On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 09:24, Frank Wales fr...@limov.com wrote:
 Kieran Kunhya wrote:

 Does anyone else see this as the BBC effectively bailing out other
 broadcasters

 by providing a common platform backed with licence fee funded content and
 development?

 No, this is what I'd expect the BBC to do.


One thing I don't get is why Project Canvas isn't an EBU thing. So the
BBC would work on it with other broadcasters through the EBU, just
like most of the other standards we have. It seems a bit odd to have a
UK terrestrial broadcaster only standard.


Scot
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Re: [backstage] BBC Trust approves Project Canvas ...

2010-06-28 Thread Alex Cockell
- Original message -
 Kieran Kunhya wrote:
 No, this is what I'd expect the BBC to do.
 It serves the public when market-based squabbles over alternative
 technological platforms don't happen, and everyone just gets on with
 innovating atop a good-enough platform, rather than frittering away
 consumers' time and money by playing platform argy-bargy.
 
 Of course, this makes other broadcaster's jobs easier, but that's a good
 thing; the harder it is for them to develop something, the more they'll
 want to control what they developed.   Relieving them of that burden is
 to everyone's benefit, not just theirs.
 
  It's unlikely such a wide group of companies would ever reach a
  consensus otherwise without the BBC.
 
 Exactly.   Markets aren't very good at arriving at a new platform from
 a standing start, largely due to company boards treating technological
 platforms as a strategic asset when they get the chance.
 
 Hence, HD-DVD versus Blu-Ray, VHS versus Betamax, or, for those old
 enough to remember, AC mains versus DC mains, or broad gauge versus
 standard gauge.
 
 As Joel Birnbaum (former HP Labs director) noted: standardizing the
 mains socket enables enormous innovations on either side of it, rather
 than constant arguing about what shape the pins should be.
 
 If the BBC can help take the debate about a platform's 'shape' off the
 table, it allows everyone to concentrate on building stuff on that
 platform, which can only be a service to the public.

As long as the possibility of an open-source implementation remains.  Which is 
quite concerning at present.  One should be able to build a Canvas receiver 
from *public* specs ultimately.  The scale of lockdown is quigte worrying at 
the mo. 

Also inprove some of the diagnostics... 

Re: [backstage] BBC Trust approves Project Canvas ...

2010-06-28 Thread Christian Ahlert

Hi all

I am running a community and event series called MiniBar in London  
(Ian F. came quite often when he was still based in London).


Its a community for tech entrepreneurs and developers. We are meeting  
once a month in the Truman Brewery with around 300 of us.


I am hoping to one of our MiniBar events in September, or November on  
'IPTV' and it would be great to learn more about Project Canvass,  
what API's they will release etc..


If anybody on this list has an interesting project in this area  
please email me, or if you can can connect to me to somebody who  
works on project Canvass pls email me as well.


Cheers
--Ch



On 28 Jun 2010, at 12:35, Scot McSweeney-Roberts wrote:


On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 09:24, Frank Wales fr...@limov.com wrote:

Kieran Kunhya wrote:


Does anyone else see this as the BBC effectively bailing out other
broadcasters


by providing a common platform backed with licence fee funded  
content and

development?


No, this is what I'd expect the BBC to do.



One thing I don't get is why Project Canvas isn't an EBU thing. So the
BBC would work on it with other broadcasters through the EBU, just
like most of the other standards we have. It seems a bit odd to have a
UK terrestrial broadcaster only standard.


Scot
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