If a streaming-only client was distributed in binary form (to ensure the
software will always only be streaming-only) and keys were sufficiently
protected, and NDAs and commercial agreements were signed you might get
somewhere. Of course reach, value, etc. would have to be evaluated.
However there's an additional point that people often forget is that the BBC
has (as any other entity) the need to protect its name and brand. They can't
allow one unauthorised client without allowing them all, e.g. if a device
manufacturer was to launch a device with their own iPlayer client, (which may
for example be plastered with adverts), the BBC would be in the awkward
position of allowing some unauthorised clients, but not others.
The syndication policy gives the BBC protection against this.
Then of course there's the legal position that the BBC would be put in if it
were to allow content to be shown on devices that it has not been licensed for.
(BTW this doesn't reflect any official stance the BBC may have - just my
personal thoughts on the matter.)
On 30 Sep 2010, at 19:10, Alex Cockell a...@acockell.eclipse.co.uk wrote:
OK... but please answer me this.
What is the process by which a streaming-only plugin for, say, VLC
*could* be evaluated and approved.. even though it wasn't written
in-house by the Beeb?
This is the wall that the devs of Beebplayer and XBMC etc are bashing
their heads against. They are trying to do everything in good faith,
complying with Geo-IP, time restrictions etc (XBMC's plugin was
streaming-only), and they respect the rights issue.
If they didn't, they'd simply pretend to be an iPhone and grab the
material... BUT THEY DON'T WANT TO BE DISHONEST!
Adobe only offer ia32 Flash for Linux so far - it's still a big lump of
spaghetti code.. and there's a big old security hole at the mo... you
only have to look at the Internet blog to see the anger that's being
caused.
The devs are not asking for syndication... they want to write a
*client*, that behaves better on specific kit...
Also - why shouldn't someone running, say, Gentoo on a SPARC box be
locked out? Another viewer, another customer for DVDs later... after
compiling the BBC VLC plugin?
Also - when it comes ot replacing kit.. I don't want to pay out a whole
load - then suddenly find the machine bricked by an update...
We HAVE contacted the Trust...
Oh - and with the range of architectures being so wide - you have
hobbyists out there, who also love the Beeb...
On Thu, 2010-09-30 at 17:47 +0100, Anthony McKale wrote:
Ok puts on bbc hat, lots of us like open source commit to open source
etc etc
iPlayer’s a bit of a special case where were often legally bound not
to share the files for
Rights reasons or even if we do have the rights we have geoip
agreements not to share them abroad,
then if we do finally have all the above then we have competition
issues with competitors getting rather
Annoyed when we share things there trying to sell,
And at that point I’d advise everyone interested to contact the bbc
trust would decides such things,
Basically the way to get our video/audio on the web is flash at the
moment, when html 5 matures and gets
drm maybe we’ll use that or what ever the new kid on the block is, it
won’t be my decision that’s for sure
Have a look at the work done for radio aunty and such to see excellent
ways of embedding flash into your page
Ant
On 30/09/2010 17:42, Alex Cockell a...@acockell.eclipse.co.uk
wrote:
And by doing so, they're only pissing off their best viewers -
the early adopters. Shooting themselves in the foot when
hobbyists only want to *help*
- Original message -
They've been going out of their way trying to stop
unapproved apps
grabbing content. They put a lot of effort into making sure
content is
unavailable to open source systems when simply leaving it as
is would
mean anyone could write on top of iPlayer.
e.g. read the second PDF
http://pjakma.wordpress.com/2010/05/17/bbc-response-to-my-iplayer-drm-foi-request/
Open Source gets a mention under meetings with Technology,
Piracy and
Enforcement ticked in the header of the minutes.
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Anthony McKale
anthony.mck...@bbc.co.uk wrote:
Replace BBC with iPlayer and I'd agree with some of those
points, it's
more a indifference and lack of care rather than being
directly
hostile though.
And I'd say that will changes rather soon, due to various
management
changes.
Ps since no one's publicly said I can't
Here's some really good ref data feeds (ps like all these
feeds
PROXY-CACHE don't hit feeds directly or you'll kill them)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/ion/refdata/type/service/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/ion/refdata/type/category/
