RE: [backstage] 'Project Canvas' to be called 'YouView':

2010-09-22 Thread Christopher Woods
Um, it's not weview, it's YouView, (though no, I'm no fan of the name or the branding) derp. My brain has no excuse for why it did that. I know I thought this originally before my brain decided to replace half the name (perhaps in protest? ;-) but YouView's even worse! Rubbish take off

RE: [backstage] 'Project Canvas' to be called 'YouView':

2010-09-20 Thread Christopher Woods
Yeah, and I *love* the way that the jv is kicking the foss community in the teeth over tc... The least they could do is give something back! Actually, correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't they got to make the source code available? I've already been on the phone to them about possibly

Re: [backstage] 'Project Canvas' to be called 'YouView':

2010-09-20 Thread Mo McRoberts
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 13:49, Ant Miller ant.mil...@gmail.com wrote: Um, it's not weview, it's YouView, (though no, I'm no fan of the name or the branding) and copyright for content of a website is usually vested in the website owner- I'd doubt you'd find much different on most commercial

Re: [backstage] 'Project Canvas' to be called 'YouView':

2010-09-20 Thread Ant Miller
Um, it's not weview, it's YouView, (though no, I'm no fan of the name or the branding) and copyright for content of a website is usually vested in the website owner- I'd doubt you'd find much different on most commercial company web sites, and YouView is a commercial joint venture (albeit with a

Re: [backstage] 'Project Canvas' to be called 'YouView':

2010-09-20 Thread Ant Miller
Ah, I stand corrected (or clarrified)- the JV is Not For Profit. Not a charrity though. And they will have paid someone to make content for their website so (for instance) we needn't expect images of DR Who used to be considered fully rights free. a On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Ant Miller

RE: [backstage] 'Project Canvas' to be called 'YouView':

2010-09-20 Thread Alex Cockell
It's more the you will not attempt to reverse-engineer, decompile... Etc etc bit. When the guts are all FOSS - Original message -   Yeah, and I *love* the way that the jv is kicking the foss community in the teeth over tc... The least they could do is give something

Re: [backstage] 'Project Canvas' to be called 'YouView':

2010-09-20 Thread Stephen Jolly
On 20 Sep 2010, at 14:37, Alex Cockell wrote: It's more the you will not attempt to reverse-engineer, decompile... Etc etc bit. Link? S - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html.

Re: [backstage] 'Project Canvas' to be called 'YouView':

2010-09-20 Thread Alex Cockell
http://www.youview.com/terms-and-conditions/ Clauses 3.2.2, clause 5 (esp where the code is open source), clause 10. Basically it would appear that the jv are trying to close what was previously open. Also, I don't like the bit in the tech docs about updates failing silently. - Original

Re: [backstage] 'Project Canvas' to be called 'YouView':

2010-09-20 Thread Stephen Jolly
On 20 Sep 2010, at 15:45, Alex Cockell wrote: http://www.youview.com/terms-and-conditions/ Clauses 3.2.2, clause 5 (esp where the code is open source), clause 10. Basically it would appear that the jv are trying to close what was previously open. IANAL and I don't work for Youview,

RE: [backstage] 'Project Canvas' to be called 'YouView':

2010-09-20 Thread Andrew Bowden
September 2010 15:45 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] 'Project Canvas' to be called 'YouView': http://www.youview.com/terms-and-conditions/ Clauses 3.2.2, clause 5 (esp where the code is open source), clause 10

Re: [backstage] 'Project Canvas' to be called 'YouView':

2010-09-20 Thread Mo McRoberts
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 15:45, Alex Cockell a...@acockell.eclipse.co.uk wrote: http://www.youview.com/terms-and-conditions/ Clauses 3.2.2, clause 5 (esp where the code is open source), clause 10. Basically it would appear that the jv are trying to close what was previously open. Also worth

Re: [backstage] 'Project Canvas' to be called 'YouView':

2010-09-20 Thread Mo McRoberts
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 15:45, Andrew Bowden andrew.bow...@bbc.co.uk wrote: Ahem.  I think it's worth reading clause 1.1...  These are terms for using the website and for content provided on You View.  There's no claiming of copyright ownership over open source software. [snip] If you use

Re: [backstage] 'Project Canvas' to be called 'YouView':

2010-09-20 Thread Mo McRoberts
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 16:09, Andrew Bowden andrew.bow...@bbc.co.uk wrote: People have been saying that for years. My favourite are the terms that say you have to have a licence to link to their site. Amongst my pet hates are the sites which cheerfully note that you don't need a licence to

Re: [backstage] 'Project Canvas' to be called 'YouView':

2010-09-20 Thread Alex Cockell
Agreed. So do you think it'll just be a case of 'watch this space' re licences in the final spec? Annoys the hell out of me that the Beeb seem to have forgotten about the enthusiasts with this obsession with locking everything down. Just changing tack for a sec... An open maint list for

[backstage] 'Project Canvas' to be called 'YouView':

2010-09-16 Thread Frank Wales
http://informitv.com/news/2010/09/16/youviewisconfirmed/ Personally, I think 'WeView' would have been a better follow-on from 'iPlayer' and 'YouTube'. But that might suggest open collaboration and public participation, so perhaps not. :-/ -- Frank Wales [fr...@limov.com] - Sent via the

Re: [backstage] 'Project Canvas' to be called 'YouView':

2010-09-16 Thread Alex Cockell
Yeah, and I *love* the way that the jv is kicking the foss community in the teeth over tc... Who fucking WROTE gstreamer, the kernel and 95 percent of the code in the platform? The least they could do is give something back! Actually, correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't they got to make the