RE: [backstage] A bit late
One possible alternative is some national newspaper publish articles about how parents are outraged 7 year olds can access inappropiate programmes which are broadcast after the watershed and are full of swearing and nudity. Like it or not, breach of the watershed always makes newspaper editors rub their hands with glee. If nothing else, putting it in the EULA is your retort to those stories - something to say well, we say it's for people over 16 when you install it. But if someone lies... IIRC a kids version of iPlayer is on the roadmap - with various content controls to prevent the watershed being breached. HTH From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 21 August 2007 23:22 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] A bit late This was covered by the Media Guardian podcast (I think it asked why Mr Highfield hates children...) about two months ago, and I reported it too... http://www.ukfree.tv/fullstory.php?storyid=1107051264 On 21/08/07, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I finally decided that iPlayer was worth opening IE for (is Firefox going to be allowed by the time iPlayer comes out of Beta?) and, upon install, decided to read the EULA; I saw this clause before my cat ran across the keyboard: http://vijaychopra.com/EULA.JPG So my 5 year old cat has agreed she's over 16 years old. Good luck in prosecuting her... also, I'd already downloaded iPlayer before I got to the EULA; what's that about, how can I agree to something before I've read it? Seriously, why bother with the EULA, I thought click-through EULAs were pretty much unenforceable for the very reasons I just stated, people can claim that their cat\children\goldfish etc. just clicked next, through them. By reading this you agree with all my opinions now and forever more; also I claim your your first-born child, and I accept no liability for any damage caused by this brick as it comes through your window. *throws brick through your nearest window* Vijay. -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv
Re: [backstage] A bit late
What puzzles me is that (a) there is a whole heap of kids content on the iPlayer, (b) younger people = early adopters, (c) BBC has a relationship problem with young teenagers (no Def II for example - I guess I would call it BBC ZERO these days and stick it on Freeview 301/302 when there's no sport on). On 22/08/07, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One possible alternative is some national newspaper publish articles about how parents are outraged 7 year olds can access inappropiate programmes which are broadcast after the watershed and are full of swearing and nudity. Like it or not, breach of the watershed *always* makes newspaper editors rub their hands with glee. If nothing else, putting it in the EULA is your retort to those stories - something to say well, we say it's for people over 16 when you install it. But if someone lies... IIRC a kids version of iPlayer is on the roadmap - with various content controls to prevent the watershed being breached. HTH -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Brian Butterworth *Sent:* 21 August 2007 23:22 *To:* backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk *Subject:* Re: [backstage] A bit late This was covered by the Media Guardian podcast (I think it asked why Mr Highfield hates children...) about two months ago, and I reported it too... http://www.ukfree.tv/fullstory.php?storyid=1107051264 On 21/08/07, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I finally decided that iPlayer was worth opening IE for (is Firefox going to be allowed by the time iPlayer comes out of Beta?) and, upon install, decided to read the EULA; I saw this clause before my cat ran across the keyboard: http://vijaychopra.com/EULA.JPG So my 5 year old cat has agreed she's over 16 years old. Good luck in prosecuting her... also, I'd already downloaded iPlayer before I got to the EULA; what's that about, how can I agree to something before I've read it? Seriously, why bother with the EULA, I thought click-through EULAs were pretty much unenforceable for the very reasons I just stated, people can claim that their cat\children\goldfish etc. just clicked next, through them. By reading this you agree with all my opinions now and forever more; also I claim your your first-born child, and I accept no liability for any damage caused by this brick as it comes through your window. *throws brick through your nearest window* Vijay. -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv
RE: [backstage] A bit late
New for Christmas 2007: Early Learning Centre presents Tomy's 'My First Interactive Media Player' £130's about average for those sought-after faddy kids' toys these days anyway, isn't it? You know, like Pogs or Tracey Islands or what have you I'm showing my age now _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Bowden Sent: 22 August 2007 09:13 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] A bit late IIRC a kids version of iPlayer is on the roadmap - with various content controls to prevent the watershed being breached.
Re: [backstage] A bit late
But I presume they'll make a knock-off copy on Blue Peter out of sticky-backed plastic and household waste? On 22/08/07, Christopher Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: New for Christmas 2007: Early Learning Centre presents Tomy's 'My First Interactive Media Player' £130's about average for those sought-after faddy kids' toys these days anyway, isn't it? You know, like Pogs or Tracey Islands or what have you I'm showing my age now From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Bowden Sent: 22 August 2007 09:13 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] A bit late IIRC a kids version of iPlayer is on the roadmap - with various content controls to prevent the watershed being breached. -- Martin Belam - http://www.currybet.net - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] A bit late
There's an error in your story, you say it's unavailable to under 18s, my screen cap clearly shows that the BBC think they can enforce contract law on under 16s. If they had used under 18s, the clause may have had a point, using under 16s, just makes the clause redundant because if a 14 yr old 'breaches'* the EULA, they can't be prosecuted anyway as minors aren't allowed to enter contracts. *I remain unconvinced that a click-through EULA would stand up in court. Vijay. On 21/08/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This was covered by the Media Guardian podcast (I think it asked why Mr Highfield hates children...) about two months ago, and I reported it too... http://www.ukfree.tv/fullstory.php?storyid=1107051264 On 21/08/07, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED]https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cmtf=0[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I finally decided that iPlayer was worth opening IE for (is Firefox going to be allowed by the time iPlayer comes out of Beta?) and, upon install, decided to read the EULA; I saw this clause before my cat ran across the keyboard: http://vijaychopra.com/EULA.JPG So my 5 year old cat has agreed she's over 16 years old. Good luck in prosecuting her... also, I'd already downloaded iPlayer before I got to the EULA; what's that about, how can I agree to something before I've read it? Seriously, why bother with the EULA, I thought click-through EULAs were pretty much unenforceable for the very reasons I just stated, people can claim that their cat\children\goldfish etc. just clicked next, through them. By reading this you agree with all my opinions now and forever more; also I claim your your first-born child, and I accept no liability for any damage caused by this brick as it comes through your window. *throws brick through your nearest window* Vijay. -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv
RE: [backstage] A bit late
Blasphemy! Where are the toilet roll inners?! I'll be damned if Health Safety gets in the way of my toilet roll inners! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Belam Sent: 22 August 2007 13:43 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] A bit late But I presume they'll make a knock-off copy on Blue Peter out of sticky-backed plastic and household waste? On 22/08/07, Christopher Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: New for Christmas 2007: Early Learning Centre presents Tomy's 'My First Interactive Media Player' £130's about average for those sought-after faddy kids' toys these days anyway, isn't it? You know, like Pogs or Tracey Islands or what have you I'm showing my age now From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Bowden Sent: 22 August 2007 09:13 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] A bit late IIRC a kids version of iPlayer is on the roadmap - with various content controls to prevent the watershed being breached. -- Martin Belam - http://www.currybet.net - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
