Re: [backstage] Any more DEB reading footage from today on iPlayer?

[Stephen Jolly]

On 12 Apr 2010, at 09:12, Brian Butterworth wrote:
> I'm looking forward to Madonna or Disney explaining why they are cutting off 
> school children from their primary learning source.  A few months of no 
> proper internet will clearly harm a child ... even if they were not the 
> actual "illegal downloader".

Media Guardian has a relevant article on the subject today (registration quite 
possibly required):

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/apr/12/digital-economy-bill-households-piracy

The claim that the biggest media groups already avoid suing their customers is 
particularly interesting, I think.

S


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Re: [backstage] Any more DEB reading footage from today on iPlayer?

[Brian Butterworth]

I'm looking forward to Madonna or Disney explaining why they are cutting off
school children from their primary learning source.  A few months of no
proper internet will clearly harm a child ... even if they were not the
actual "illegal downloader".

On 11 April 2010 22:17, Dave Crossland  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Could you provide URLs about that?
>
> Regards, Dave
>
> On 9 Apr 2010, 10:46 PM, "Gordon Joly"  wrote:
>
>
>
> Word is that the D E Bill will hit schools quite hard.
>
> Gordo
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Re: [backstage] Any more DEB reading footage from today on iPlayer?

[Gordon Joly]

I picked this up on Twitter...

*http://twitter.com/digitalmaverick*
> We teachers of ICT & schools themselves are about to have a MASSIVE 
burden placed on us IMHO when #debill 
 becomes law


I have also found this...

http://www.jisclegal.ac.uk/ManageContent/ViewDetail/tabid/243/ID/1234/Digital-Economy-Bill-Copyright-Infringement-Measures-22012010.aspx

Since the Digital Economy Bill affects "illegal downloads" is it 
possible that Universities will have a problem, with materials used by 
students being a technical breach of the new law. Would this result in 
"disconnection" for a University or a school? For example, a book, part 
of book or another text that is covered by a copyright is often 
"downloaded" and then used by a student.



Gordon



On 11/04/2010 22:17, Dave Crossland wrote:


Hi,

Could you provide URLs about that?

Regards, Dave

On 9 Apr 2010, 10:46 PM, "Gordon Joly" mailto:gordon.j...@pobox.com>> wrote:



Word is that the D E Bill will hit schools quite hard.

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Re: [backstage] Any more DEB reading footage from today on iPlayer?

[Dave Crossland]

Hi,

Could you provide URLs about that?

Regards, Dave

On 9 Apr 2010, 10:46 PM, "Gordon Joly"  wrote:



Word is that the D E Bill will hit schools quite hard.

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Re: [backstage] Any more DEB reading footage from today on iPlayer?

[Ben Webb]

I'm still quite confused as to what's going on with -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00rzk4b/House_of_Commons_07_04_2010/
- it claims to be 7 hours long - which should include some of the DEB
footage, but in fact its less than 2 hours long. What accounts for
this discrepancy?
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Re: [backstage] Any more DEB reading footage from today on iPlayer?

[Gordon Joly]

Word is that the D E Bill will hit schools quite hard.

Gordo

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Re: [backstage] Any more DEB reading footage from today on iPlayer?

[Brian Butterworth]

I was, for the third time in my life, getting really down about a stupid law
being passed (other two being the Local Government Act 1988 and the Criminal
Justice and Public Order Act 1994) when this cheered me up a little:

http://www.which.co.uk/news/2010/04/law-firm-to-quit-chasing-file-sharing-pirates-210736

On 9 April 2010 12:37, Christopher Woods  wrote:
>
>> >> That wasn't the first time the poor old dears got "IP" and
>> "IP" mixed
>> >> up, I heard it on @R4Today some days ago.  Shows a lot about where
>> >> their minds are.
>> > Yes, but what happens when they debate other technical issues?
>> > Medical, military, etc. None of us are experts in all fields
>>
>> None of us are setting government policy, influencing public
>> opintion or writing laws in the fields we're inexpert in,
>> though.  I hope.
>
>
> Whilst watching the DEB proceedings, I felt the urge to have some kind of
> big red button on my table connected to a massive klaxon and a laser
display
> board just above the Speaker's Chair. So much waffle and
> intervention/counter-intervention not much was actually said that was
> sensible, relevant and concise. Oh well, democracy in action... I only
wish
> I could vote 'out of constituency' as such so I could place my local
> government vote for one of the clueful MPs. I'm stuck with Gisela Stuart
and
> Clare Short :(
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Re: RE: [backstage] Any more DEB reading footage from today on iPlayer?

[Brian Butterworth]

So now a BPI-PC can claim my PC's IP has their IP and will defenstrate my
Windows?  Not at all PC!

On 9 Apr 2010 12:37, "Christopher Woods"  wrote:


> >> That wasn't the first time the poor old dears got "IP" and
> "IP" mixed
> >> up, I heard it ...
Whilst watching the DEB proceedings, I felt the urge to have some kind of
big red button on my table connected to a massive klaxon and a laser display
board just above the Speaker's Chair. So much waffle and
intervention/counter-intervention not much was actually said that was
sensible, relevant and concise. Oh well, democracy in action... I only wish
I could vote 'out of constituency' as such so I could place my local
government vote for one of the clueful MPs. I'm stuck with Gisela Stuart and
Clare Short :(


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RE: [backstage] Any more DEB reading footage from today on iPlayer?

[Christopher Woods]

> >> That wasn't the first time the poor old dears got "IP" and 
> "IP" mixed 
> >> up, I heard it on @R4Today some days ago.  Shows a lot about where 
> >> their minds are.
> > Yes, but what happens when they debate other technical issues? 
> > Medical, military, etc. None of us are experts in all fields
> 
> None of us are setting government policy, influencing public 
> opintion or writing laws in the fields we're inexpert in, 
> though.  I hope.


Whilst watching the DEB proceedings, I felt the urge to have some kind of
big red button on my table connected to a massive klaxon and a laser display
board just above the Speaker's Chair. So much waffle and
intervention/counter-intervention not much was actually said that was
sensible, relevant and concise. Oh well, democracy in action... I only wish
I could vote 'out of constituency' as such so I could place my local
government vote for one of the clueful MPs. I'm stuck with Gisela Stuart and
Clare Short :(

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Re: [backstage] Any more DEB reading footage from today on iPlayer?

[Frank Wales]

Gordon Joly wrote:

On 09/04/2010 08:22, Brian Butterworth wrote:
That wasn't the first time the poor old dears got "IP" and "IP" mixed 
up, I heard it on @R4Today some days ago.  Shows a lot about where 
their minds are.
Yes, but what happens when they debate other technical issues? Medical, 
military, etc. None of us are experts in all fields


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Re: [backstage] Any more DEB reading footage from today on iPlayer?

[Alex Mace]

So if you're not an expert, it's probably not wise to rush a bill through 
wash-up without proper scrutiny.

Alex

On 9 Apr 2010, at 10:57, Gordon Joly wrote:

> On 09/04/2010 08:22, Brian Butterworth wrote:
>> That wasn't the first time the poor old dears got "IP" and "IP" mixed up, I 
>> heard it on @R4Today some days ago.  Shows a lot about where their minds are.
> Yes, but what happens when they debate other technical issues? Medical, 
> military, etc. None of us are experts in all fields
> 
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Re: [backstage] Any more DEB reading footage from today on iPlayer?

[Frank Wales]

Brian Butterworth wrote:

Did no one tell those stupid MPs that the whole Internet is peer-to-peer?


To most of them, peer-to-peer communication is what happens when
Lord Mandelson does a deal with Baroness Scotland.
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Re: [backstage] Any more DEB reading footage from today on iPlayer?

[Gordon Joly]

On 09/04/2010 08:22, Brian Butterworth wrote:
That wasn't the first time the poor old dears got "IP" and "IP" mixed 
up, I heard it on @R4Today some days ago.  Shows a lot about where 
their minds are.
Yes, but what happens when they debate other technical issues? Medical, 
military, etc. None of us are experts in all fields


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Re: [backstage] Any more DEB reading footage from today on iPlayer?

[Brian Butterworth]

That wasn't the first time the poor old dears got "IP" and "IP" mixed up, I
heard it on @R4Today some days ago.  Shows a lot about where their minds
are.

On 9 April 2010 08:06, Tim Dobson  wrote:

> Brian Butterworth wrote:
>
>> It's probably been banned, now.Along with TCP/IP.
>>
>> Did no one tell those stupid MPs that the whole Internet is peer-to-peer?
>>
>>
>
> http://meeb.org/post/505849844/i-wrote-to-my-mp-two-weeks-ago-regarding-my-shock
>
> Considering this, probably not!
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Re: [backstage] Any more DEB reading footage from today on iPlayer?

[Tim Dobson]

Brian Butterworth wrote:

It's probably been banned, now.Along with TCP/IP.

Did no one tell those stupid MPs that the whole Internet is peer-to-peer?



http://meeb.org/post/505849844/i-wrote-to-my-mp-two-weeks-ago-regarding-my-shock

Considering this, probably not!
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Re: [backstage] Any more DEB reading footage from today on iPlayer?

[Brian Butterworth]

It's probably been banned, now.Along with TCP/IP.

Did no one tell those stupid MPs that the whole Internet is peer-to-peer?

On 8 April 2010 22:02, Ben Webb  wrote:

> This only seems to be 1 hour 40 minutes and doesn't contain the DEB
> debate...
>
> On 8 April 2010 15:04, Christopher Woods  wrote:
> >
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk
> >> [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Ian Forrester
> >> Sent: 07 April 2010 14:10
> >> To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
> >> Subject: RE: [backstage] Any more DEB reading footage from
> >> today on iPlayer?
> >>
> >> I don't think this is a conspircy (so you can take off the
> >> foil hat :)
> >>
> >> Its sounds like a error, or something went on longer than
> >> expected. Will forward to the iplayer team and see if we
> >> can't get the rest somehow.
> >
> > Cheers. Also, on the HoC footage from last night -
> > http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00rzk4b - the programme won't actually
> > start streaming (just looks like it begins to buffer, fails, then retries
> > immediately ad nauseum). Also, on the /parliament schedule page the
> listed
> > schedule doesn't line up at all with the evening's proceedings. Presume
> the
> > latter is due to late changes to the order of business...
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Re: [backstage] Any more DEB reading footage from today on iPlayer?

[Ben Webb]

This only seems to be 1 hour 40 minutes and doesn't contain the DEB debate...

On 8 April 2010 15:04, Christopher Woods  wrote:
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk
>> [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Ian Forrester
>> Sent: 07 April 2010 14:10
>> To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
>> Subject: RE: [backstage] Any more DEB reading footage from
>> today on iPlayer?
>>
>> I don't think this is a conspircy (so you can take off the
>> foil hat :)
>>
>> Its sounds like a error, or something went on longer than
>> expected. Will forward to the iplayer team and see if we
>> can't get the rest somehow.
>
> Cheers. Also, on the HoC footage from last night -
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00rzk4b - the programme won't actually
> start streaming (just looks like it begins to buffer, fails, then retries
> immediately ad nauseum). Also, on the /parliament schedule page the listed
> schedule doesn't line up at all with the evening's proceedings. Presume the
> latter is due to late changes to the order of business...
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RE: [backstage] Any more DEB reading footage from today on iPlayer?

[Christopher Woods]

 

> -Original Message-
> From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk 
> [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Phil Lewis
> Sent: 08 April 2010 15:31
> To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
> Subject: RE: [backstage] Any more DEB reading footage from 
> today on iPlayer?
> 
> On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 15:04 +0100, Christopher Woods wrote:
> > Cheers. Also, on the HoC footage from last night - 
> > http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00rzk4b - the programme won't 
> > actually start streaming (just looks like it begins to 
> buffer, fails, 
> > then retries immediately ad nauseum).
> 
> Maybe it's just your connection or the CDN flash server the 
> your browser is directed to? It seems to work perfectly fine 
> on iplayer and my usual iplayer recording utility.

Might have been - just tried from work (Easynet connection) and it's worked
fine. Same from home connection (Be Pro).

On contemplation, it didn't even play the BBC Parliament ident... Perhaps
there was something wrong with the preroll? Anyway, working now.

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RE: [backstage] Any more DEB reading footage from today on iPlayer?

[Phil Lewis]

On Thu, 2010-04-08 at 15:04 +0100, Christopher Woods wrote:
> Cheers. Also, on the HoC footage from last night -
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00rzk4b - the programme won't actually
> start streaming (just looks like it begins to buffer, fails, then retries
> immediately ad nauseum). 

Maybe it's just your connection or the CDN flash server the your browser
is directed to? It seems to work perfectly fine on iplayer and my usual
iplayer recording utility.

- Phil

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RE: [backstage] Any more DEB reading footage from today on iPlayer?

[Christopher Woods]

 

> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Ian Forrester
> Sent: 07 April 2010 14:10
> To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
> Subject: RE: [backstage] Any more DEB reading footage from 
> today on iPlayer?
> 
> I don't think this is a conspircy (so you can take off the 
> foil hat :) 
> 
> Its sounds like a error, or something went on longer than 
> expected. Will forward to the iplayer team and see if we 
> can't get the rest somehow.

Cheers. Also, on the HoC footage from last night -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00rzk4b - the programme won't actually
start streaming (just looks like it begins to buffer, fails, then retries
immediately ad nauseum). Also, on the /parliament schedule page the listed
schedule doesn't line up at all with the evening's proceedings. Presume the
latter is due to late changes to the order of business...

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RE: [backstage] Any more DEB reading footage from today on iPlayer?

[Ian Forrester]

I don't think this is a conspircy (so you can take off the foil hat :) 

Its sounds like a error, or something went on longer than expected. Will 
forward to the iplayer team and see if we can't get the rest somehow.

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Subject: [backstage] Any more DEB reading footage from today on iPlayer?

(directed firstly towards iPlayer-knowledgeable Beeb staff but is an open
question)

Frustratingly only the first hour or so of today's House of Commons coverage is 
available on the iPlayer's primary entry for today, with no more footage 
forthcoming it would seem. (current episode:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00rzjy6/House_of_Commons_06_04_2010/ )

I've also seen the DEB's dedicated entry on the DemocracyLive site:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/democracylive/hi/house_of_commons/newsid_8597000/85971
25.stm - but again, it's only a 2 hour stream from the start of the DEB debate. 
Today's debate lasted for well over six/seven contiguous hours - right up until 
10pm from approx. 3pm (after the 10 Minute Rule first reading). Particularly 
given the importance of this Bill, might we be able to watch the whole of the 
first debate online eventually or is it never going to show up?

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[backstage] Any more DEB reading footage from today on iPlayer?

[Christopher Woods]

(directed firstly towards iPlayer-knowledgeable Beeb staff but is an open
question)

Frustratingly only the first hour or so of today's House of Commons coverage
is available on the iPlayer's primary entry for today, with no more footage
forthcoming it would seem. (current episode:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00rzjy6/House_of_Commons_06_04_2010/ )

I've also seen the DEB's dedicated entry on the DemocracyLive site:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/democracylive/hi/house_of_commons/newsid_8597000/85971
25.stm - but again, it's only a 2 hour stream from the start of the DEB
debate. Today's debate lasted for well over six/seven contiguous hours -
right up until 10pm from approx. 3pm (after the 10 Minute Rule first
reading). Particularly given the importance of this Bill, might we be able
to watch the whole of the first debate online eventually or is it never
going to show up?

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