Re: Old thread, new News... Re: [backstage] BBC News : site feedback.... [Fwd: RE: Feedback [NewsWatch]]

2008-09-11 Thread Brian Butterworth
Typical of our Yankee cousins, not only do they write their dates the wrong way round, but their history is so shallow they can't remember something they've read before. Poor dears. No sense of history, or indeed chronology. Note to americans: If you want to put the year on something, but don't

Re: Old thread, new News... Re: [backstage] BBC News : site feedback.... [Fwd: RE: Feedback [NewsWatch]]

2008-09-11 Thread Sam Mbale
I have a slight feeling that there is a conspiracy somewhere here. This may be similar to Googlebombing, I suspect someone made a lot of money as a result. On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 8:49 AM, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Typical of our Yankee cousins, not only do they write their

Re: Old thread, new News... Re: [backstage] BBC News : site feedback.... [Fwd: RE: Feedback [NewsWatch]]

2008-09-11 Thread Peter Bowyer
2008/9/11 Christopher Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm currently trying to ensure that my current client builds suitable safeguards into a similar feature they're proposing to deliver. Well surely it can't take much; something like SELECT * FROM 'active_news_articles' where 'published_date' =

Re: Old thread, new News... Re: [backstage] BBC News : site feedback.... [Fwd: RE: Feedback [NewsWatch]]

2008-09-11 Thread Sam Mbale
the hard part is getting the people who write the requirements to understand why they should care I would like to think they care, it may just be the case of being caught off guard. I have search marketing experience and I know that these vulnerabilities can be exploited if you can ignore

Re: Old thread, new News... Re: [backstage] BBC News : site feedback.... [Fwd: RE: Feedback [NewsWatch]]

2008-09-11 Thread Sam Mbale
I just stumbled across this article that explains what may have actually happened, When Algorithms Attack: How Googlebot And Tribune (And Some Idiot) Killed United Airlines

Re: Old thread, new News... Re: [backstage] BBC News : site feedback.... [Fwd: RE: Feedback [NewsWatch]]

2008-09-11 Thread Brian Butterworth
It's quite funny, in the sense of Caveat venditor: all the people who lost loads of money by selling the stock in the hope that they could sell before the buyer became aware of the business failing have lost loadsamoney. Big Greed=Big Loss. For those who didn't sell, the price will recover, of

Old thread, new News... Re: [backstage] BBC News : site feedback.... [Fwd: RE: Feedback [NewsWatch]]

2008-09-10 Thread David Greaves
Remember this old thread... (see below) Now, in the context of What could *possibly* go wrong look at this: Google News farce triggers Wall Street sell-off http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/10/online_news_farce_drops_united_stock/ Note the bit at the end: Update The Tribune Company has

Re: Old thread, new News... Re: [backstage] BBC News : site feedback.... [Fwd: RE: Feedback [NewsWatch]]

2008-09-10 Thread Sean DALY
I use Google News often and this happens all the time. PR Newswire is particularly vulnerable, as they don't add the year to their datelines. Here's one in the top ten search results for two big companies: http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/cgi/news/release?id=126607 No year! Note that the copyright

Re: Old thread, new News... Re: [backstage] BBC News : site feedback.... [Fwd: RE: Feedback [NewsWatch]]

2008-09-10 Thread Peter Bowyer
2008/9/10 David Greaves [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Who's feeling rather smug) Me too. I'm currently trying to ensure that my current client builds suitable safeguards into a similar feature they're proposing to deliver. Peter -- Peter Bowyer Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Follow me on Twitter:

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2008-09-10 Thread Christopher Woods
I'm currently trying to ensure that my current client builds suitable safeguards into a similar feature they're proposing to deliver. Well surely it can't take much; something like SELECT * FROM 'active_news_articles' where 'published_date' = date(today)-90days? (I know that's a horrible

Re: [backstage] BBC News : site feedback.... [Fwd: RE: Feedback [NewsWatch]]

2008-01-08 Thread Matt Barber
On Jan 7, 2008 10:02 PM, Steve Jolly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Greaves wrote: Fair enough - but this is awe+reverenceThe BBC News/awe+reverence So getting it right (and not misleading) should trump the mere impossible :) IIRC some time ago (months/years) there was something

Re: [backstage] BBC News : site feedback.... [Fwd: RE: Feedback [NewsWatch]]

2008-01-08 Thread Martin Belam
I used to face this kind of question when doing the analysis of search logs at the BBC to produce the popular searches right now list. Obviously I used to filter out obscenities, but, for example, something like 'big brother' or the 'x-factor' would generate a lot of searches on bbc.co.uk, but

Re: [backstage] BBC News : site feedback.... [Fwd: RE: Feedback [NewsWatch]]

2008-01-08 Thread Peter Bowyer
On 08/01/2008, Martin Belam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I used to face this kind of question when doing the analysis of search logs at the BBC to produce the popular searches right now list. Obviously I used to filter out obscenities, but, for example, something like 'big brother' or the

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2008-01-08 Thread Jason Cartwright
This is pretty interesting. A site I run exposed a This week in... archive on the homepage, linking to articles that happened that week in previous years (you can see it at http://play.tm, click Archive in the middle half way down the page). A number of spiders then went nuts (including Google's)

Re: [backstage] BBC News : site feedback.... [Fwd: RE: Feedback [NewsWatch]]

2008-01-08 Thread David Greaves
Peter Bowyer wrote: On 08/01/2008, Martin Belam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally I would rather the most read/most emailed reflected exactly what the user was doing, and wasn't most emailed stories from the last 7 days excluding the also in the news section because we are the BBC and we

Re: [backstage] BBC News : site feedback.... [Fwd: RE: Feedback [NewsWatch]]

2008-01-08 Thread Sam Smith
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008, Steve Jolly wrote: David Greaves wrote: I think someone missed the point here... Or am I wrong? If I explain that all the stories on the BBC news website are barely more than static HTML, would that explain why adding watermarks to them all would be difficult? If the

[backstage] BBC News : site feedback.... [Fwd: RE: Feedback [NewsWatch]]

2008-01-07 Thread David Greaves
I think someone missed the point here... Or am I wrong? David Original Message Subject: RE: Feedback [NewsWatch] Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:55:54 - From: NewsOnline [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks for your comments. We do not

Re: [backstage] BBC News : site feedback.... [Fwd: RE: Feedback [NewsWatch]]

2008-01-07 Thread Steve Jolly
David Greaves wrote: I think someone missed the point here... Or am I wrong? If I explain that all the stories on the BBC news website are barely more than static HTML, would that explain why adding watermarks to them all would be difficult? If the site was backed by some kind of

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2008-01-07 Thread Phil Wilson
If I explain that all the stories on the BBC news website are barely more than static HTML, would that explain why adding watermarks to them all would be difficult? If the site was backed by some kind of new-fangled CMS then it would be an extremely sensible suggestion. :-) wanted: volunteer

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2008-01-07 Thread Sean DALY
If the HTML is fairly standardized (I see that the datestamp is both in the metatags and in the body), it's even easier to add or change the presentation of datestamps, just a text operation which I'd take over a fancy CMS any day of the week. Static pages can be great for performance,

Re: [backstage] BBC News : site feedback.... [Fwd: RE: Feedback [NewsWatch]]

2008-01-07 Thread David Greaves
Steve Jolly wrote: David Greaves wrote: I think someone missed the point here... Or am I wrong? If I explain that all the stories on the BBC news website are barely more than static HTML, would that explain why adding watermarks to them all would be difficult? If the site was backed by

RE: [backstage] BBC News : site feedback.... [Fwd: RE: Feedback [NewsWatch]]

2008-01-07 Thread Gareth Davis
David Greaves wrote: [snip] And it still doesn't excuse the front page dynamic links being 'gamed' to point to a years old piece. I expect 'most emailed' to be limited to stories from the last few days. Would that be the goat? It was discussed here -