On 24/11/2007, James Cridland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Nov 23, 2007 12:20 PM, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[quoting me in April]
It's possible for all our podcasts to be produced in Ogg Vorbis
automatically, too. Indeed, all our on-demand audio is already encoded
into
On 24/11/2007, Stuart Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why is this, because it is pretty simple to copy the stream to a file
and and save it. I read the terms and conditions and there was nothing
to prevent me doing this for my personal use.
Of course, there is already a free software tool to do
On 24/11/2007, Stuart Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tristan Ferne said the following on 23/11/07 09:39:
The programmes on the Radio Player are presented as streams only. The
BBC's agreements with rights holders prevent the BBC from authorising
copies being made of internet audio
On 24/11/2007, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And why is this different to the broadcast radio where there are plenty
of devices that allow the recording of a radio program.
Because when it is broadcast it's a single one-to-many pipe, streaming is
lots of small pipes..
But
On 24/11/2007, Noah Slater [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 24/11/2007, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And why is this different to the broadcast radio where there are
plenty
of devices that allow the recording of a radio program.
Because when it is broadcast it's a single
On Saturday 24 November 2007 15:05:05 Stuart Ward wrote:
Why is this, because it is pretty simple to copy the stream to a file
and and save it. I read the terms and conditions and there was nothing
to prevent me doing this for my personal use.
If a copyright license doesn't explicitly allow
So what you are really saying is that as long as it is not generally
known that saving streams is easy to do, then this is fig leaf to
placate the rights holders.
To be less glib than I have been on here recently, erm, pretty much
that is it. *I* know you can rip streams to files to keep for
On Nov 23, 2007 12:20 PM, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[quoting me in April]
It's possible for all our podcasts to be produced in Ogg Vorbis
automatically, too. Indeed, all our on-demand audio is already encoded
into
Ogg Vorbis, for when it becomes a popular codec (and we're
On 24/11/2007, Martin Belam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nobody thinks DRM is safe - it just has to be safe enough.
I wouldn't say it was safe at all, but I know you weren't talking
about our perspective. ;)
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Creativity can be a social contribution, but
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: 23 November 2007 14:55
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music
What Podcasts (if any) are people listening to?
See this link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/siteusage/#downloads
This is a particular feature of Internet Explorer 7, I find.
Google Reader does the same as well
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On 22/11/2007, Michael Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's not a direct answer from the man himself and It's obviously not BBC
policy but:
James Cridland, now Head of Future Media Technology, BBC Audio Music
Interactive, wrote to this mailing list in February whilst he was still with
On 23/11/2007, Tristan Ferne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Andy,
How does one report faults experienced in the downloads?
If anyone at the BBC has access to the BBC's fault tracking
system (if you have one) perhaps you could add:
I have asked around and I can try to answer some of your
Hi Andy,
How does one report faults experienced in the downloads?
If anyone at the BBC has access to the BBC's fault tracking
system (if you have one) perhaps you could add:
I have asked around and I can try to answer some of your points...
When accessing feeds for BBC podcasts it lists
On Friday 23 November 2007 12:20:11 Dave Crossland wrote:
It will become a popular codec by influential people publishing audio
in it, like Virgin and the BBC, and by people learning to value
software freedom and requesting audio publishers to use the format.
I hope not, the last thing the
On Wednesday 21 November 2007 23:35:46 Tim Dobson wrote:
This is not an argument about ethics,
Dave keeps turning it into one. I was trying to point out the self same thing
to him.
Please consider researching this.
What specifically do you think I don't understand, and on what basis have you
The BBC does have to obey the law. Including copyright law.
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On 21/11/2007
something which it does not.
Which is technically an offense...
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On 21/11/2007
what do you mean by is technically an offence.
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Sent: 22 November 2007 10:41
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music
On 22/11/2007
I agree with what Michael says.
However I'm not sure the rights holders insist on DRM. They insist on
protection of their income which flows from copyright, which is not
the same thing. DRM is today's solution to provide that protection,
but it is broken, costly, complicated, annoys end users,
On 22 Nov 2007, at 10:52, Sean DALY wrote:
* How about outright payment for perpetual rights? Way too expensive,
especially worldwide.
Need this necessarily be the case though? considering that broadcast
(and arts / media / entertainment sector in general) is one of the
most
* How about outright payment for perpetual rights? Way too expensive,
especially worldwide.
i'm not so sure. Ofcom's (my current employer) view is that the
ability to copy and share in perpetuity is an adherent *advantage* if
your aim is to deliver public service media (BBC etc.) It may cost
] BBC Podcasts Including Music
On 22 Nov 2007, at 10:52, Sean DALY wrote:
* How about outright payment for perpetual rights? Way too expensive,
especially worldwide.
Need this necessarily be the case though? considering that broadcast
(and arts / media / entertainment sector in general) is one
] BBC Podcasts Including Music
The BBC does have to obey the law. Including copyright law.
But the BBC does not have to do things that extend the law.
I saw a bus shelter yesterday which had a it is illegal to smoke in
this bus shelter sign on it in Churchill Square, Brighton yesterday
Anyway back vaguely on topic:
How does one report faults experienced in the downloads?
If anyone at the BBC has access to the BBC's fault tracking system (if
you have one) perhaps you could add:
When accessing feeds for BBC podcasts it lists many episodes, the
enclosure links for these are
The BBC does have to obey the law. Including copyright law.
But the BBC does not have to do things that extend the law.
I saw a bus shelter yesterday which had a it is illegal to smoke in
this bus shelter sign on it in Churchill Square, Brighton yesterday.
However, the shelter's
Which programmes are you getting a 404 for? Can you give some examples
please. In theory, once the file is removed from live then there
shouldn't be a link to them in the RSS feed.
Think because we only got rights from the PPL we have to stick to UK
only on those podcasts. It is a shame but
] On Behalf Of David Greaves
Sent: 22 November 2007 14:34
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music
The BBC does have to obey the law. Including copyright law.
But the BBC does not have to do things that extend the law.
I saw a bus shelter
2007 16:17
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music
Nick,
On 22/11/2007, Nick Reynolds-AMi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So its not technically an offence then.
Is there such a thing as legal creep? It's either legal or it
isn't
Is there such a thing as legal creep? It's either legal or it isn't.
Nick, I think what was meant is when rules, or regulations, or
technical measures such as DRM go beyond what is legal.
For example, an FBI logo-style warning shown at the beginning of a
DVD, long enough to annoy me but not
Andy - why don't you ask these questions on the Radio Labs blog?
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: 22 November 2007 14:41
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music
Anyway back vaguely
Sean DALY wrote:
From a technical standpoint, how simple can it be to design a DRM
system compatible with the copyright law of the world's 20 biggest
markets?
You have got to be kidding - right?
Whole chunks of the judicial system has a hard enough time determining the
copyright law of ONE
Nick Reynolds-AMi wrote:
Is there such a thing as legal creep? It's either legal or it isn't.
Indeed - under certain jurisdictions copying music is legal. 'Fair Use'. However
the music industry would have you believe that it is always illegal.
That would be legal creep - no, it doesn't change
On 22/11/2007, Carlos Roman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Which programmes are you getting a 404 for? Can you give some examples
please. In theory, once the file is removed from live then there
shouldn't be a link to them in the RSS feed.
Think because we only got rights from the PPL we have to
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To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music
On 21/11/2007, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 20/11/2007, Martin Belam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That is kind of the figures I was expecting
On 21/11/2007, Tristan Ferne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I can't actually remember where this started
Perhaps you can turn on threaded view in your email program (or use
a free software one like Thunderbird that has such a feature, if yours
doesn't)
Eg,
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To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
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On 21/11/2007, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 20/11/2007, Martin Belam [EMAIL
Ummm...personally I have absolutely no idea, sorry.
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To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
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On 21/11/2007, Tristan Ferne [EMAIL PROTECTED
On 11/21/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just as an aside, I have a collection of BBC Sound Effects records on
vinyl, can I use 30 second snippets of these on a future podcast?
For example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_Sound_Effects_No._19_-_Doctor_Who_Sound_Effects
On 21/11/2007, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Perhaps you can turn on threaded view in your email program (or use
a free software one like Thunderbird that has such a feature, if yours
doesn't)
To be honest, I'm waiting to for thunderbird to get an extension to
make it just like
On 21/11/2007, Martin Deutsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 11/21/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just as an aside, I have a collection of BBC Sound Effects records on
vinyl, can I use 30 second snippets of these on a future podcast?
For example:
On Wednesday 21 November 2007 00:16:13 Dave Crossland wrote:
...
on this issue like that; merely that they should not contribute to the
problem by only using proprietary or patent-encumbered formats.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG-2#Patent_holders
You won't be watching TV after digital
On 21/11/2007, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How very .. classic .. of you to use a desktop application.
My laptop is liberated without being weighed down by Outlook, online
applications can be used from everywhere. They are always faster than a
remote console session!
You mean
On 21/11/2007, Tim Dobson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 21/11/2007, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How very .. classic .. of you to use a desktop application.
My laptop is liberated without being weighed down by Outlook, online
applications can be used from everywhere. They
Brian Butterworth wrote:
On 20/11/2007, *David Greaves* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dave Crossland wrote:
On 20/11/2007, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 19/11/2007, Martin Belam [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 20/11/2007, David Greaves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dave Crossland wrote:
On 20/11/2007, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 19/11/2007, Martin Belam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You see, I just somehow knew that giving away content including music
for free, forever, at the point
Jason Cartwright wrote:
Of course, this won't happen (it be being popular, IMHO), because nobody
cares what format they consume their content in - they just care that it
works (which MP3 does). As proved by the BBC OGG trial years and years ago.
You are right. It's true that people don't care.
Dave Crossland wrote:
On 20/11/2007, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 19/11/2007, Martin Belam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You see, I just somehow knew that giving away content including music
for free, forever, at the point of delivery, to anyone, regardless of
whether they had
On 20/11/2007, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 19/11/2007, Martin Belam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You see, I just somehow knew that giving away content including music
for free, forever, at the point of delivery, to anyone, regardless of
whether they had paid their Licence Fee
Hum... why not setup a process to automatically parse the XML, download the
MP3s, re-encode them as whatever format you want, then republish them with
new XML. Sure its a bit naughty (OK, very naughty), but if it's popular you
can post the log file analytics here and get some publicity for the
On 20/11/2007, Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Nov 19, 2007 10:08 PM, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 19/11/2007, Martin Belam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You see, I just somehow knew that giving away content including music
for free, forever, at the point of
Well, this is a discussion list for anyone keen to build interesting new
prototypes or proofs of concept with BBC content, so I assumed some
development knowledge.
I'd suggest that the MP3s would make a good enough source - most of the
content is speech-based, and designed to be consumed with
Greetings everyone, this is my first post.
Jason Cartwright wrote:
Of course, this won't happen (it be being popular, IMHO), because nobody
cares what format they consume their content in - they just care that it
works (which MP3 does). As proved by the BBC OGG trial years and years ago.
On 20/11/2007, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, this is a discussion list for anyone keen to build interesting new
prototypes or proofs of concept with BBC content, so I assumed some
development knowledge.
I have some, but I'm not able to do that project myself. Its a good
idea
On 20/11/2007, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 20/11/2007, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, this is a discussion list for anyone keen to build interesting
new
prototypes or proofs of concept with BBC content, so I assumed some
development knowledge.
I have
On 20/11/2007, Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In Davetopia everything is black and white -
popular = bad. In the real world, things are less clear cut. Popular has
no place on the scale between good and bad.
I'm glad to hear you are thinking about good and bad ;-)
--
Regards,
Forget popularity, think about principle.
It is worth noting that often these things turn around on the head of a
pin. If we were having this discssion in 1985, someone would have pointed
out that *no one ever got* *sacked for buying IBM. Everyone was happy
with the popular 3270
And the BBC MUST be popular - otherwise no licence fee
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Sent: 20 November 2007 11:56
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
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Sent: 20 November 2007 12:04
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Forget popularity, think about principle.
It is worth noting that often
November 2007 12:18
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Subject: RE: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music
Well the only reason I pay the license fee is so I can have a tv (and
not get fined lots of money), the only bbc programme I watch is spooks,
which I watch thru the iPlayer anyway
So
: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music
And the BBC MUST be popular - otherwise no licence fee
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i thought open systems were the answer not to lock things down
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Sent: 20 November 2007 12:31
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
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no Barry its not as the fee is about the signal
: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music
So if I didn't watch the bbc I would not have to pay the license? (cept I do
for the iPlayer?_
In that case how do I prove I am not watching the bbc?
I could do with an extra £120 in my pocket...
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Webmaster LSRfm.com
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Subject: RE: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music
So if I didn't watch the bbc I would not have to pay the license? (cept I do
for the iPlayer?_
In that case how do I prove I am not watching the bbc?
I could do with an extra £120 in my pocket…
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, of course.
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Well the only reason I pay the license fee
@lists.bbc.co.uk
*Subject:* RE: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music
no Barry its not as the fee is about the signal you receive, not the kit
you receive it on
if you are watching BBC ONE on a mobile phone you are have to pay a TV
licence
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*From
I'm more interested in Usability and Value For Money for Licence
Fee payers. Does anyone have any kind of gauge of what percentage of
portable music players will actually play files encoded in Vorbis out
of the box without either a firmware upgrade or installing software on
them?
On
no it isn't its for any device you can recieve a TV signal on
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth
Sent: 20 November 2007 14:51
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music
Martin Belam wrote:
I'm more interested in Usability and Value For Money for Licence
Fee payers. Does anyone have any kind of gauge of what percentage of
portable music players will actually play files encoded in Vorbis out
of the box without either a firmware upgrade or installing software on
The Xiph wiki has the list:
http://wiki.xiph.org/index.php/PortablePlayers
The part about Chinese-made players being Vorbis-aware
without documentation is interesting.
I'm not aware of publicly available marketshare data for
portable players though (that is, non-iPod). NPD in the US
On 20/11/2007, Carlos Roman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The Xiph wiki has the list:
http://wiki.xiph.org/index.php/PortablePlayers
The part about Chinese-made players being Vorbis-aware
without documentation is interesting.
I'm not aware of publicly available marketshare data for
That is kind of the figures I was expecting. Just to be clear here,
the way I see it is that if the BBC stands up and says we believe in
libre not gratis, so we don't want anything to do with software
or codecs that involve patents, pretty much at least 80%+ of the
people who own portable music
On 20/11/2007, Martin Belam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That is kind of the figures I was expecting. Just to be clear here,
the way I see it is that if the BBC stands up and says we believe in
libre not gratis, so we don't want anything to do with software
or codecs that involve patents, pretty
On 21/11/2007, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 20/11/2007, Martin Belam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That is kind of the figures I was expecting. Just to be clear here,
the way I see it is that if the BBC stands up and says we believe in
libre not gratis, so we don't want anything
Barry.
The PRS and MCPS are legally responsible in the UK, see:
http://www.mcps-prs-alliance.co.uk/playingbroadcastingonline/Pages/default.aspx
On 18/11/2007, Barry Carlyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Greetings all,
Whilst working at my local student bar/restaurant, I was listening to
; backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: RE: [backstage] BBC Podcasts Including Music
Hi Barry,
I'll have to look at the exact details of the new podcast, but from a
Student Radio point of view remember that there are very different rules
regarding music use and royalties across commercial and public
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Hi Barry,
I'll have to look at the exact details of the new podcast, but from a Student
Radio point of view remember that there are very different rules regarding
music use and royalties across
On 19/11/2007, Matthew Cashmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Somebody has kindly corrected me off-list with regards to the 'trial' of
podcasts
the iplayer PVT gave us regulatory permission to do non drm audio downloads
in April
Awesome - now we just need the BBC to do non-patent encumbered
On 19/11/2007, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dave,
If the BBC podcasts are first prepared as PCM-encoded WAV files before being
translated to the site, providing OggVobis version shouldn't be a problem,
surely?
The technical problems around providing OggVorbis version are the
On 19/11/2007, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Awesome - now we just need the BBC to do non-patent encumbered audio
What? Software became patentable in the UK, damn I missed that one.
Vorbis would be nice though, but MP3 is certainly better than the
BBC's other favorite formats.
On Mon, Nov 19, 2007 at 04:30:46PM +, Dave Crossland wrote:
On 19/11/2007, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dave,
If the BBC podcasts are first prepared as PCM-encoded WAV files before being
translated to the site, providing OggVobis version shouldn't be a problem,
surely?
On 19/11/2007, Andy Leighton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, Nov 19, 2007 at 04:30:46PM +, Dave Crossland wrote:
On 19/11/2007, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dave,
If the BBC podcasts are first prepared as PCM-encoded WAV files before
being
translated to the
On 19/11/2007, Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 19/11/2007, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Awesome - now we just need the BBC to do non-patent encumbered audio
What? Software became patentable in the UK, damn I missed that one.
Software idea patents in some countries harm users of
On Monday 19 November 2007 17:31:26 Andy wrote:
What? Software became patentable in the UK, damn I missed that one.
Yes, software gets patented in Europe, including the UK, and has been for
many years. For software to be patentable it generally has to sit inside a
system and affect something
On 19/11/2007, Michael Sparks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Monday 19 November 2007 17:31:26 Andy wrote:
What? Software became patentable in the UK, damn I missed that one.
Yes, software gets patented in Europe, including the UK, and has been for
many years. For software to be patentable it
You see, I just somehow knew that giving away content including music
for free, forever, at the point of delivery, to anyone, regardless of
whether they had paid their Licence Fee or lived in the UK, *still*
wasn't going to be good enough for some.
[throws up hands in despair and backs way from
On 19/11/2007, Martin Belam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You see, I just somehow knew that giving away content including music
for free, forever, at the point of delivery, to anyone, regardless of
whether they had paid their Licence Fee or lived in the UK, *still*
wasn't going to be good enough
On 19/11/2007, Michael Sparks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Monday 19 November 2007 20:13:27 Dave Crossland wrote:
Yes, its important to avoid the confusing term intellectual property
and consider the laws that are grouped in that term on their own,
since their purposes and details are
On 19/11/2007, Martin Belam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You see, I just somehow knew that giving away content including music
for free, forever, at the point of delivery, to anyone, regardless of
whether they had paid their Licence Fee or lived in the UK, *still*
wasn't going to be good enough
On Nov 19, 2007 10:08 PM, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 19/11/2007, Martin Belam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You see, I just somehow knew that giving away content including music
for free, forever, at the point of delivery, to anyone, regardless of
whether they had paid their
Greetings all,
Whilst working at my local student bar/restaurant, I was listening to radio
1, and happened to hear Chappers and Scott Mills' advert for Radio 1
Podcasts, and they mentioned the fact that there are some new podcasts
coming soon, which will now include music.
So does anyone
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Sent: Sun 11/18/2007 20:48
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
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Greetings
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