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Also very interested! @Matt... and thanks for the links! All the best, sebnem Mit freundlichen Grüßen Sebnem Öztunali Siemens AG Corporate Technology Intelligent Autonomous Systems CT IC 6 Otto-Hahn-Ring 6 81739 München Tel.: +49 (89) 636-44127 Fax: +49 (89) 636-41423 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Siemens Aktiengesellschaft: Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: Gerhard Cromme; Vorstand: Peter Löscher, Vorsitzender; Wolfgang Dehen, Heinrich Hiesinger, Joe Kaeser, Jim Reid-Anderson, Hermann Requardt, Siegfried Russwurm, Peter Y. Solmssen; Sitz der Gesellschaft: Berlin und München; Registergericht: Berlin Charlottenburg, HRB 12300, München, HRB 6684; WEEE-Reg.-Nr. DE 23691322 Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Christopher Woods Gesendet: Samstag, 19. Juli 2008 18:30 An: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Betreff: RE: [backstage] Internet TV without streaming is like Based on stats - I don't have an off the shelf study to hand that I can release, but as indicated elsewhere, it is true that the number of downloads versus streams is influenced on a day to day basis depending on the type of content available. If there is interest in more stats then let me know. Cheers, jod Very interested - if there are any stats available you can point me to, I'd be fascinated to peruse them.
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-Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Dave Crossland Gesendet: Freitag, 18. Juli 2008 20:20 An: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Betreff: Re: [backstage] Internet TV without streaming is like 2008/7/18 Oeztunali, Sebnem (CT) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ...It will also let users buy a TV show or movie without actually downloading the video file to the PC's hard drive... This statement is either misguided or lying. :-) Whilst streaming, *the movie* is not downloaded (else it wouldn't be worthwile to make a differentiation, right?) Only chunks of the file are buffered (small pieces, thrown away once played back = buffering). I believe this is the single viable option, and is true to the antything-anytime-anywhere-goes potential of the Internet What about the the antything-anytime-anywhere-goes potential of portable computers not connected to the Internet 100% of the time? Not connected?!?!??! ...well you have a point there, like you want to download a movie because you know tomorrow you'll be stuck in a train for 6 hrs. But in my opinion this is not Internet TV - and still you have to ask yourself how long is it going to take until you have access in that train (or anywhere else for that matter)... If you think about how much the up/download consumption increased since youtube, it would be insane by an ISP to say I don't throttle that specific type of traffic, there will always be one other to deliver. ( ...and please don't buy into that sry, the Internet is currently full :D ) and let's you forget about vendor lock-in due to DRM. This used to be true but sadly isn't any more - Adobe Flash based video streaming includes actual DRM. But still flash runs in every browser, hence every device capable of Internet-connectivity (has a browser) is able to receive that stream. Also, streaming is often (mistakenly) perceived as a form of DRM. If the thing is accessible for everyone, no one has an interest in stealing it, hence DRM is useless. Accessible could also mean, for appropriately little money or an appropriate flat rate... (P2P-)Downloading is yesterday's beer. ... I am specualting that Amazon's streaming makes use of P2P technology ;-) As said before there is a distinguishable difference between streaming and downloading, hence even if P2P downloading is old, P2P streaming is quite the sizzle... Still I agree that the general question donwloading vs. streaming is now more interesting, the tech comes in handy later. All the best, Sebnem - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
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-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Oeztunali, Sebnem (CT) Sent: 21 July 2008 10:11 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: AW: [backstage] Internet TV without streaming is like -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Dave Crossland Gesendet: Freitag, 18. Juli 2008 20:20 An: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Betreff: Re: [backstage] Internet TV without streaming is like 2008/7/18 Oeztunali, Sebnem (CT) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: As said before there is a distinguishable difference between streaming and downloading, hence even if P2P downloading is old, P2P streaming is quite the sizzle... Quite the sizzle? I'm sold! :D This phrase is the best thing I've ever learnt in a DRM debate. I'm already figuring out how many times I'm going to be able to say it today. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
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On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 10:43 AM, Deirdre Harvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/7/18 Oeztunali, Sebnem (CT) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: As said before there is a distinguishable difference between streaming and downloading, hence even if P2P downloading is old, P2P streaming is quite the sizzle... Quite the sizzle? I'm sold! :D This phrase is the best thing I've ever learnt in a DRM debate. I'm already figuring out how many times I'm going to be able to say it today. Yeh that is pretty good haha. In seriousness, if bandwidth providers (ISPs, whoever comes along next to pay for it etc...) provide the pipe and market it to customers well enough, don't you think that these killer apps (YouTube, iPlayer) will grow and multiply to fit the available tech? HD, more channels, wider opportunity for business, advertising and all that other fund providing stuff to come in and use streaming? The better and more capable the platform, the more we can do with it (that's kinda obvious)... I wonder when consumer input tech (videocameras) will become as easy as a mobile phone, to push real SD and HD onto the streaming web. When it becomes that easy, it may not be known as the 'streaming web' or the web at all, it might just be a STB or other easy to use consumer device? Anyway enough straying from doing work and rambling, best get on with some things.
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On Mon Jul 21 11:11:17 2008, Oeztunali, Sebnem (CT) wrote: But still flash runs in every browser, hence every device capable of Internet-connectivity (has a browser) is able to receive that stream. Not in mine, and even if it did I wouldn’t. pgpsmviyYNX5u.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Fred Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon Jul 21 11:11:17 2008, Oeztunali, Sebnem (CT) wrote: But still flash runs in every browser, hence every device capable of Internet-connectivity (has a browser) is able to receive that stream. Not in mine, and even if it did I wouldn't. I quite like Flash myself, nice to develop for, and easy for consumers to get and use.
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On 7/21/08, Oeztunali, Sebnem (CT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Dave Crossland Gesendet: Freitag, 18. Juli 2008 20:20 An: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Betreff: Re: [backstage] Internet TV without streaming is like But still flash runs in every browser, hence every device capable of Internet-connectivity (has a browser) is able to receive that stream. There's a version of flash for lynx? What does it do, convert the video to ascii art? :-) Scot
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On Mon Jul 21 11:13:25 2008, Matt Barber wrote: On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Fred Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon Jul 21 11:11:17 2008, Oeztunali, Sebnem (CT) wrote: But still flash runs in every browser, hence every device capable of Internet-connectivity (has a browser) is able to receive that stream. Not in mine, and even if it did I wouldn't. I quite like Flash myself, nice to develop for Really? I tried it once, then gave up and tried Adobe Flex, then gave up on that and went back to proper web development. pgppE5xWE38Fs.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Hmm. Although my mobile phone (a series 40 Nokia 6500s) does indeed support Flash Lite, I remain to be convinced that it's really an entirely appropriate platform to do heavy duty Flash development upon. And that's before we even start on the whole text/screen reader issue. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scot McSweeney-Roberts Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 11:31 AM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Internet TV without streaming is like On 7/21/08, Oeztunali, Sebnem (CT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Dave Crossland Gesendet: Freitag, 18. Juli 2008 20:20 An: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Betreff: Re: [backstage] Internet TV without streaming is like But still flash runs in every browser, hence every device capable of Internet-connectivity (has a browser) is able to receive that stream. There's a version of flash for lynx? What does it do, convert the video to ascii art? :-) Scot * To view the terms under which this email is distributed, please go to http://www.hull.ac.uk/legal/email_disclaimer.html *
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Based on stats - I don't have an off the shelf study to hand that I can release, but as indicated elsewhere, it is true that the number of downloads versus streams is influenced on a day to day basis depending on the type of content available. If there is interest in more stats then let me know. Cheers, jod Very interested - if there are any stats available you can point me to, I'd be fascinated to peruse them.
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Having to go fishing for your fish chips (ok, I'm not very good with metaphors - big deal ;) Anyway, Amazon's streaming now, too: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/17/technology/17amazon.html?_r=1scp=2sq=amazonst=cseoref=slogin ...It will also let users buy a TV show or movie without actually downloading the video file to the PC's hard drive... I believe this is the single viable option, and is true to the antything-anytime-anywhere-goes potential of the Internet and let's you forget about vendor lock-in due to DRM. (P2P-)Downloading is yesterday's beer. How long does it take to get a show with iPlayer? Are there any numbers comparing the flash version and the iPlayer client usage? All the best, Sebnem P.S. for the P2P-at-heart among you: I am specualting that Amazon's streaming makes use of P2P technology (as well as their EC2 and S3: http://www.allthingsdistributed.com/2007/10/amazons_dynamo.html ) Mit freundlichen Grüßen Sebnem Öztunali Siemens AG Corporate Technology Intelligent Autonomous Systems CT IC 6 Otto-Hahn-Ring 6 81739 München Tel.: +49 (89) 636-44127 Fax: +49 (89) 636-41423 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Siemens Aktiengesellschaft: Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: Gerhard Cromme; Vorstand: Peter Löscher, Vorsitzender; Wolfgang Dehen, Heinrich Hiesinger, Joe Kaeser, Jim Reid-Anderson, Hermann Requardt, Siegfried Russwurm, Peter Y. Solmssen; Sitz der Gesellschaft: Berlin und München; Registergericht: Berlin Charlottenburg, HRB 12300, München, HRB 6684; WEEE-Reg.-Nr. DE 23691322 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
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Unofficial off-the-top-of-my-head: 11:1 streaming:download. So this means even more pressure for the ISPs (a good thing in my opinion - will speed them up figuring out a viable business model for all these bits to be delivered) - and maybe a little less flak for the BBC for shifting the TBs with iPlayer. ./Matt On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Oeztunali, Sebnem (CT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having to go fishing for your fish chips (ok, I'm not very good with metaphors - big deal ;) Anyway, Amazon's streaming now, too: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/17/technology/17amazon.html?_r=1scp=2sq=amazonst=cseoref=slogin ...It will also let users buy a TV show or movie without actually downloading the video file to the PC's hard drive... I believe this is the single viable option, and is true to the antything-anytime-anywhere-goes potential of the Internet and let's you forget about vendor lock-in due to DRM. (P2P-)Downloading is yesterday's beer. How long does it take to get a show with iPlayer? Are there any numbers comparing the flash version and the iPlayer client usage? All the best, Sebnem P.S. for the P2P-at-heart among you: I am specualting that Amazon's streaming makes use of P2P technology (as well as their EC2 and S3: http://www.allthingsdistributed.com/2007/10/amazons_dynamo.html ) Mit freundlichen Grüßen Sebnem Öztunali Siemens AG Corporate Technology Intelligent Autonomous Systems CT IC 6 Otto-Hahn-Ring 6 81739 München Tel.: +49 (89) 636-44127 Fax: +49 (89) 636-41423 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Siemens Aktiengesellschaft: Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: Gerhard Cromme; Vorstand: Peter Löscher, Vorsitzender; Wolfgang Dehen, Heinrich Hiesinger, Joe Kaeser, Jim Reid-Anderson, Hermann Requardt, Siegfried Russwurm, Peter Y. Solmssen; Sitz der Gesellschaft: Berlin und München; Registergericht: Berlin Charlottenburg, HRB 12300, München, HRB 6684; WEEE-Reg.-Nr. DE 23691322 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
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Here's some figures: ...while the number of those choosing to stream content outnumbers those that download content by 8:1... from http://uk.gizmodo.com/2008/01/16/bbc_iplayer_used_by_a_million.html, January 2008 ...Given that the ratio of downloads to streaming views runs at 1:8 for iPlayer, it remains to be seen if a downloader will be popular for the Mac platform... from http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/3565-enterprising-soul-creates-bbc-iplayer-download-app-for-mac.html, May 2008 And from the BBC: ...Most programmes have a ratio of around eight streams for every download, but high-end drama, such as The Passion had over a quarter of its iPlayer consumption via the P2P download service... From http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2008/04/hidden_costs_of_watching_tv_on.html, 2nd April 2008. Shows are around 600MB, so downloading one of them at 1mbps is 80 minutes? ./Matt On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Matt Barber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unofficial off-the-top-of-my-head: 11:1 streaming:download. So this means even more pressure for the ISPs (a good thing in my opinion - will speed them up figuring out a viable business model for all these bits to be delivered) - and maybe a little less flak for the BBC for shifting the TBs with iPlayer. ./Matt On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Oeztunali, Sebnem (CT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having to go fishing for your fish chips (ok, I'm not very good with metaphors - big deal ;) Anyway, Amazon's streaming now, too: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/17/technology/17amazon.html?_r=1scp=2sq=amazonst=cseoref=slogin ...It will also let users buy a TV show or movie without actually downloading the video file to the PC's hard drive... I believe this is the single viable option, and is true to the antything-anytime-anywhere-goes potential of the Internet and let's you forget about vendor lock-in due to DRM. (P2P-)Downloading is yesterday's beer. How long does it take to get a show with iPlayer? Are there any numbers comparing the flash version and the iPlayer client usage? All the best, Sebnem P.S. for the P2P-at-heart among you: I am specualting that Amazon's streaming makes use of P2P technology (as well as their EC2 and S3: http://www.allthingsdistributed.com/2007/10/amazons_dynamo.html ) Mit freundlichen Grüßen Sebnem Öztunali Siemens AG Corporate Technology Intelligent Autonomous Systems CT IC 6 Otto-Hahn-Ring 6 81739 München Tel.: +49 (89) 636-44127 Fax: +49 (89) 636-41423 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Siemens Aktiengesellschaft: Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: Gerhard Cromme; Vorstand: Peter Löscher, Vorsitzender; Wolfgang Dehen, Heinrich Hiesinger, Joe Kaeser, Jim Reid-Anderson, Hermann Requardt, Siegfried Russwurm, Peter Y. Solmssen; Sitz der Gesellschaft: Berlin und München; Registergericht: Berlin Charlottenburg, HRB 12300, München, HRB 6684; WEEE-Reg.-Nr. DE 23691322 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
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It's still about 8:1 between streaming and download. Best not to confuse any issues around P2P with the general uses for download - when viewing content offline, at high quality, on a train or even transferring to mobile devices downloads will serve a particular user group and set of scenarios that Streaming can't. Streaming of course, offers very easy access to the widest audience and when the quality is good enough, it is good enough for most people.. Download speeds depend - it only takes a few minutes to download programmes on my broadband service (Virgin 20MB) but will of course vary for different people... Cheers, ::: John O'Donovan ::: Chief Architect, BBC FMT Journalism ::: BBC Broadcast Centre ::: 201 Wood Lane, London W12 7TS ::: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ::: http://www.bbc.co.uk http://www.bbc.co.uk/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Barber Sent: 18 July 2008 14:46 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Internet TV without streaming is like Here's some figures: ...while the number of those choosing to stream content outnumbers those that download content by 8:1... from http://uk.gizmodo.com/2008/01/16/bbc_iplayer_used_by_a_million.html, January 2008 ...Given that the ratio of downloads to streaming views runs at 1:8 for iPlayer, it remains to be seen if a downloader will be popular for the Mac platform... from http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/3565-enterprising-soul-creates-bbc-iplayer-download-app-for-mac.html, May 2008 And from the BBC: ...Most programmes have a ratio of around eight streams for every download, but high-end drama, such as The Passion had over a quarter of its iPlayer consumption via the P2P download service... From http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2008/04/hidden_costs_of_watching_tv_on.html, 2nd April 2008. Shows are around 600MB, so downloading one of them at 1mbps is 80 minutes? ./Matt On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Matt Barber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unofficial off-the-top-of-my-head: 11:1 streaming:download. So this means even more pressure for the ISPs (a good thing in my opinion - will speed them up figuring out a viable business model for all these bits to be delivered) - and maybe a little less flak for the BBC for shifting the TBs with iPlayer. ./Matt On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Oeztunali, Sebnem (CT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having to go fishing for your fish chips (ok, I'm not very good with metaphors - big deal ;) Anyway, Amazon's streaming now, too: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/17/technology/17amazon.html?_r=1scp=2sq=amazonst=cseoref=slogin ...It will also let users buy a TV show or movie without actually downloading the video file to the PC's hard drive... I believe this is the single viable option, and is true to the antything-anytime-anywhere-goes potential of the Internet and let's you forget about vendor lock-in due to DRM. (P2P-)Downloading is yesterday's beer. How long does it take to get a show with iPlayer? Are there any numbers comparing the flash version and the iPlayer client usage? All the best, Sebnem P.S. for the P2P-at-heart among you: I am specualting that Amazon's streaming makes use of P2P technology (as well as their EC2 and S3: http://www.allthingsdistributed.com/2007/10/amazons_dynamo.html ) Mit freundlichen Grüßen Sebnem Öztunali Siemens AG Corporate Technology Intelligent Autonomous Systems CT IC 6 Otto-Hahn-Ring 6 81739 München Tel.: +49 (89) 636-44127 Fax: +49 (89) 636-41423 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Siemens Aktiengesellschaft: Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: Gerhard Cromme; Vorstand: Peter Löscher, Vorsitzender; Wolfgang Dehen, Heinrich Hiesinger, Joe Kaeser, Jim Reid-Anderson, Hermann Requardt, Siegfried Russwurm, Peter Y. Solmssen; Sitz der Gesellschaft: Berlin und München; Registergericht: Berlin Charlottenburg, HRB 12300, München, HRB 6684; WEEE-Reg.-Nr. DE 23691322 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
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2008/7/18 Oeztunali, Sebnem (CT) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ...It will also let users buy a TV show or movie without actually downloading the video file to the PC's hard drive... This statement is either misguided or lying. :-) I believe this is the single viable option, and is true to the antything-anytime-anywhere-goes potential of the Internet What about the the antything-anytime-anywhere-goes potential of portable computers not connected to the Internet 100% of the time? and let's you forget about vendor lock-in due to DRM. This used to be true but sadly isn't any more - Adobe Flash based video streaming includes actual DRM. Also, streaming is often (mistakenly) perceived as a form of DRM. (P2P-)Downloading is yesterday's beer. ... I am specualting that Amazon's streaming makes use of P2P technology ;-) Cheers, Dave Personal opinion only. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
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2008/7/18 John O'Donovan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It's still about 8:1 between streaming and download. Thanks for confirming this :-) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
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Dave Crossland wrote: 2008/7/18 Oeztunali, Sebnem (CT) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ...It will also let users buy a TV show or movie without actually downloading the video file to the PC's hard drive... This statement is either misguided or lying. :-) Why should it be either? It's possible to buy something without having to take physical possession of it. - Rob. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
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2008/7/18 John O'Donovan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It's still about 8:1 between streaming and download. Thanks for confirming this :-) Empirical or based on hard stats? (if there's a recent study I'd be interested to know, as it could come in useful for my final year dissertation) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
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On 7/18/08, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/7/18 Oeztunali, Sebnem (CT) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ...It will also let users buy a TV show or movie without actually downloading the video file to the PC's hard drive... This statement is either misguided or lying. :-) Not necessarily. It didn't say the video wasn't downloaded - just that it wasn't downloaded to the hard drive. It could be being held in RAM. (two can play at this game!) Though I'll admit it's much more likely that it *is* going to the hard drive. - Ciaran. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
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Based on stats - I don't have an off the shelf study to hand that I can release, but as indicated elsewhere, it is true that the number of downloads versus streams is influenced on a day to day basis depending on the type of content available. If there is interest in more stats then let me know. Cheers, jod From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Christopher Woods Sent: Fri 7/18/2008 23:43 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Internet TV without streaming is like 2008/7/18 John O'Donovan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It's still about 8:1 between streaming and download. Thanks for confirming this :-) Empirical or based on hard stats? (if there's a recent study I'd be interested to know, as it could come in useful for my final year dissertation) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
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2008/7/18 Ciaran Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 7/18/08, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/7/18 Oeztunali, Sebnem (CT) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: without actually downloading the video file to the PC's hard drive... This statement is either misguided or lying. :-) Not necessarily. It didn't say the video wasn't downloaded - just that it wasn't downloaded to the hard drive. It could be being held in RAM. (two can play at this game!) Though I'll admit it's much more likely that it *is* going to the hard drive. lol - Sadly I don't think my little 512Mb RAM laptop will be able to hold too much video in RAM ;-) Cheers, Dave Personal opinion only. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
