Re: [backstage] Is DRM on its last throes at last?
Yes, likely in 2010 On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 11:57 PM, Ian Deeley ian.dee...@gmail.com wrote: Aside from the fact Windows 7 supports H.264 and AAC Sent from my iPhone On 13 Jan 2009, at 22:31, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Digital Restrictions Management is a dead end. Consumers don't want it. Hollywood's head-in-sandism on this is beyond pitiful. DECE is chaired by the very exec who imposed the Sony BMG hidden Windows rootkit on the Amerie record on my shelf, and which fortunately for me was not interoperable with my Mac or GNU/Linux computers. For ten years Microsoft has positioned itself as a partner to content providers, only too happy to propose its services while shutting out competitors, the consumer be damned. They can't even bring themselves to support MPEG-4 AVC/H.264 and AAC (while Apple laughs all the way to the bank). A decade later, they are still hoping for a central role in a DRM ecosystem which excludes free software. What the studios don't realize (with the exception of Disney, which has a clue) is that consumers have no patience for difficult to use / expensive / incompatible rights systems. They already lost patience overpaying for disks with a pointless zoning system and seven guaranteed minutes of copyright information in Greek and Swedish (no offense to my southern annd northern friends). I say, let them hoist themselves on their own petards (the studios, not the Hellenes Swedes). The longer they put off developing new business models, the greater the risks they take. Sean On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 7:41 PM, Andy stude.l...@googlemail.com wrote: Is DRM on it's last legs? Not according to this news story: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7825428.stm When we people learn that trying to stop people copying or playing Audio/Video after a certain date is not possible due to Replay Attack[1]? I'm not sure whether they intend to deploy this both for video and music. However with DRM Free Music already legally available will people really stand for not being able to do things they could before? Andy [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replay_attack -- Computers are like air conditioners. Both stop working, if you open windows. -- Adam Heath - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Is DRM on its last throes at last?
Is DRM on it's last legs? Not according to this news story: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7825428.stm When we people learn that trying to stop people copying or playing Audio/Video after a certain date is not possible due to Replay Attack[1]? I'm not sure whether they intend to deploy this both for video and music. However with DRM Free Music already legally available will people really stand for not being able to do things they could before? Andy [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replay_attack -- Computers are like air conditioners. Both stop working, if you open windows. -- Adam Heath - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Is DRM on its last throes at last?
Digital Restrictions Management is a dead end. Consumers don't want it. Hollywood's head-in-sandism on this is beyond pitiful. DECE is chaired by the very exec who imposed the Sony BMG hidden Windows rootkit on the Amerie record on my shelf, and which fortunately for me was not interoperable with my Mac or GNU/Linux computers. For ten years Microsoft has positioned itself as a partner to content providers, only too happy to propose its services while shutting out competitors, the consumer be damned. They can't even bring themselves to support MPEG-4 AVC/H.264 and AAC (while Apple laughs all the way to the bank). A decade later, they are still hoping for a central role in a DRM ecosystem which excludes free software. What the studios don't realize (with the exception of Disney, which has a clue) is that consumers have no patience for difficult to use / expensive / incompatible rights systems. They already lost patience overpaying for disks with a pointless zoning system and seven guaranteed minutes of copyright information in Greek and Swedish (no offense to my southern annd northern friends). I say, let them hoist themselves on their own petards (the studios, not the Hellenes Swedes). The longer they put off developing new business models, the greater the risks they take. Sean On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 7:41 PM, Andy stude.l...@googlemail.com wrote: Is DRM on it's last legs? Not according to this news story: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7825428.stm When we people learn that trying to stop people copying or playing Audio/Video after a certain date is not possible due to Replay Attack[1]? I'm not sure whether they intend to deploy this both for video and music. However with DRM Free Music already legally available will people really stand for not being able to do things they could before? Andy [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replay_attack -- Computers are like air conditioners. Both stop working, if you open windows. -- Adam Heath - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Is DRM on its last throes at last?
Aside from the fact Windows 7 supports H.264 and AAC Sent from my iPhone On 13 Jan 2009, at 22:31, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Digital Restrictions Management is a dead end. Consumers don't want it. Hollywood's head-in-sandism on this is beyond pitiful. DECE is chaired by the very exec who imposed the Sony BMG hidden Windows rootkit on the Amerie record on my shelf, and which fortunately for me was not interoperable with my Mac or GNU/Linux computers. For ten years Microsoft has positioned itself as a partner to content providers, only too happy to propose its services while shutting out competitors, the consumer be damned. They can't even bring themselves to support MPEG-4 AVC/H.264 and AAC (while Apple laughs all the way to the bank). A decade later, they are still hoping for a central role in a DRM ecosystem which excludes free software. What the studios don't realize (with the exception of Disney, which has a clue) is that consumers have no patience for difficult to use / expensive / incompatible rights systems. They already lost patience overpaying for disks with a pointless zoning system and seven guaranteed minutes of copyright information in Greek and Swedish (no offense to my southern annd northern friends). I say, let them hoist themselves on their own petards (the studios, not the Hellenes Swedes). The longer they put off developing new business models, the greater the risks they take. Sean On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 7:41 PM, Andy stude.l...@googlemail.com wrote: Is DRM on it's last legs? Not according to this news story: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7825428.stm When we people learn that trying to stop people copying or playing Audio/Video after a certain date is not possible due to Replay Attack[1]? I'm not sure whether they intend to deploy this both for video and music. However with DRM Free Music already legally available will people really stand for not being able to do things they could before? Andy [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replay_attack -- Computers are like air conditioners. Both stop working, if you open windows. -- Adam Heath - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html . Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html . Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Is DRM on its last throes at last?
Actually I do wonder if the itunes store going non-DRM will finally be enough to convince copyright owners that releasing content under a licence but with no DRM is a good thing for everyone involved? I mean what other popular DRM is there now? Windows media plays for sure? -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk on behalf of Brian Butterworth Sent: Sat 1/10/2009 1:45 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] Is DRM on its last throes at last? http://www.betanews.com/article/Is_DRM_on_its_last_throes_at_last/1231547605 let's not miss the big picture. Look at the way Apple has deployed DRM -- not for piracy reasons but for pure anti-competition reasons. He cited code in new Apple gadgetry that locks your new iPod to the iTunes file manager, and mentioned the company's push for third-party accessories manufacturers to incorporate licensed authentication chips in their wares. This is a company that really loves DRM an awful lot, mainly to encourage lock-in and discourage competition. -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
Re: [backstage] Is DRM on its last throes at last?
2009/1/12 Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk: Actually I do wonder if the itunes store going non-DRM will finally be enough to convince copyright owners that releasing content under a licence but with no DRM is a good thing for everyone involved? I mean what other popular DRM is there now? Windows media plays for sure? The Adobe nonsense that iPlayer +Air uses :) Cheers, Al. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Is DRM on its last throes at last?
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 12:18, Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.ukwrote: I mean what other popular DRM is there now? Windows media plays for sure? Audible.com still DRMs their audiobooks, in their own proprietary formats.
Re: [backstage] Is DRM on its last throes at last?
And don't forget the 'OMA DRM 2' used by iPlayer mobile. On Mon, 2009-01-12 at 12:25 +, Alan Pope wrote: 2009/1/12 Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk: Actually I do wonder if the itunes store going non-DRM will finally be enough to convince copyright owners that releasing content under a licence but with no DRM is a good thing for everyone involved? I mean what other popular DRM is there now? Windows media plays for sure? The Adobe nonsense that iPlayer +Air uses :) Cheers, Al. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Is DRM on its last throes at last?
http://www.betanews.com/article/Is_DRM_on_its_last_throes_at_last/1231547605 let's not miss the big picture. Look at the way Apple has deployed DRM -- not for piracy reasons but for pure anti-competition reasons. He cited code in new Apple gadgetry that locks your new iPod to the iTunes file manager, and mentioned the company's push for third-party accessories manufacturers to incorporate licensed authentication chips in their wares. This is a company that really loves DRM an awful lot, mainly to encourage lock-in and discourage competition. -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
