[backstage] Re: [backstage] Re: [backstage] Re: [backstage] Re: [backstage] Re: [backstage] Re: get_iplayer 2.77 release (wa s Re: [backstage] get_iplayer dropped in response to BBC’s lack of suppor

2010-05-28 Thread Brian Butterworth
I just got sent this:

*http://david.woodhou.se/get_iplayer_setup_4.0.exe *

On 28 May 2010 00:15, David Woodhouse dw...@infradead.org wrote:

 On Thu, 2010-05-27 at 22:56 +0100, Jonathan Tweed wrote:
  On 27 May 2010, at 20:42, David Woodhouse dw...@infradead.org wrote:
 
   Personally, all my use of iPlayer content is to fetch something I'm
   already aware of; I'm not just browsing randomly. And for that, I find
   that a command line tool gives a _much_ better experience than any
   point-and-drool GUI could ever provide.
 
  You're missing two very important words there: for you.

 Surely those two words would be redundant, given that I already went
 back to that sentence to insert the words 'I find that' before sending
 it? That was certainly my intention.

   But there _are_ GUI tools which make use of get_iplayer, such as the
   get_iplayer.cgi script which runs a local web server and points your
   browser at it. They haven't received a lot of love because most people
   with sufficient clue to work on them don't really _care_ about such
   things.
 
  I think Kieran's point is that they should. That's what will drive
  widespread adoption.

 That presumes that they _want_ widespread adoption, of course. I can't
 speak for them but personally, I don't really care very much about how
 widely get_iplayer (or any other Free Software I work on) is adopted.
 It's fun when people out there are using your code, but that kind of
 lost its novelty after the first few million units shipped.

 I started working on get_iplayer because I find it useful and I know
 that other people find it useful too. Without it, the iPlayer is fairly
 useless to me. My broadband at home is far too slow to watch things in
 real time with any reasonable quality, BT want £128,000 to install a
 second line, so my only real option is to download things and then watch
 them.

 I'm completely uninterested in the GUI side. I'd be the wrong person to
 do any GUI support because I'd never want to _use_ anything like that.

 If you or Kieran are actually _interested_ in the GUIs... have you
 _looked_ at get_iplayer.cgi or at the iPlayer support in XBMC?

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[backstage] Re: [backstage] Re: [backstage] Re: [backstage] Re: [backstage] Re: [backstage] Re: get_iplayer 2.77 release (wa s Re: [backstage] get_iplayer dropped in response to BBC’s lack of suppor

2010-05-27 Thread Scot McSweeney-Roberts
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 18:10, Kieran Kunhya kie...@kunhya.com wrote:

 The point is the view is that Open Source software isn't considered
 bothering about by the BBC because too few people use it and there's the
 fear of piracy. (in spite of the fact that downloads from VoD aren't used
 by pirates because of the poor quality compared to broadcasts)


What I always find funny is that by not supporting the Open Source Community
the content providers often end up shooting themselves in the foot
with their DRM plans.



  If this means disallowing recordings or respecting time restrictions then
 so be it.



What would be the point? It's open source so almost everyone would use
patched versions.


  It will also lower the proportion of people downloading the files from p2p
 networks just like iPlayer itself did when it was launched.


I doubt it. A crippled (yet still open) solution wouldn't provide as good a
product as what's on the torrents or uncrippled get_iplayer or even what you
can get from a networked PVR. So most people would carrying on getting their
content the way they're currently get their content.


*
 *
 Most people aren't going to mess about with a command line app to do this.


Which is their loss really. I think if people bothered to learn the CLI and
basic scripting they'd find that would have a much easier and more
satisfying computing experience all round.