At 19:45 + 21/12/06, Richard P Edwards wrote:
DRM. well look at a system that is already successfully used.
A CD has a unique code at the front ... ISRC if you want to
even have a chance of being paid a royalty then this code has to be
preserved.
In my mind, it must be possible to
PVR's and Sky's on-demand player can only push that subscription %
higher
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Sure. One thing I'd like to do would be to:
- take the BBC realvideo feeds (say newsnight)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/ (click the large
Podcast button)
- convert them into something sensible (mpeg?)
MP4's? Here is the one from yesterday...
Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Sure. One thing I'd like to do would be to:
- take the BBC realvideo feeds (say newsnight)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/ (click the large
Podcast button)
- convert them into something sensible (mpeg?)
MP4's? Here is the one from
At 17:14 + 19/12/06, Frank my old mucker wrote:
The Joly G-man wrote:
The BBC are responsible in the main (AFAIK) for enforcing
incorrect terminology as follows:
1) forward slash - a term used by Naomi Troski on the Big Byte, circa 1994.
Since Ms Troski speaks fluent 'Strine, we assume
What is great is that.
One 3.5m satellite dish with a four way LNB, connected to four Sky
boxes with four Sling Media Sling boxes attached to four Macs,
because that is what I like, each with a couple of realtime
Automator actions, stream the whole lot to Democracy from behind
Rich E makes a very compelling case!
I imagine it is only a matter of time. Now that we have
compression/encryption and bandwidth to do these things is is only time
before an enterprising person gets on and does it.
It would be a shame to have a reaction of squashing such as the music and
film
Okay, that sounds great, but what about rights management? I know its going
to happen anyway but
On 21/12/06, Richard P Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What is great is that.
One 3.5m satellite dish with a four way LNB, connected to four Sky
boxes with four Sling Media Sling boxes
Hang on...
Commercial companies can produce utter trash (buffy I rest my case) but
look at HBO producing Angels in America.
Proper quality programming can be produced, you just need to keep the execs
away from the bank manager.
Tim Bishop
City College Plymouth Students Union
LGBT Officer
DRM. well look at a system that is already successfully used.
A CD has a unique code at the front ... ISRC if you want to even
have a chance of being paid a royalty then this code has to be
preserved.
In my mind, it must be possible to add a code within a data stream
that uniquely
even wonder what the BBC is for in this digital era... ... ...
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What you're talking
Maybe we should try and get more BBC managers here.
How do you know there not watching this already? Seriously!
Watching, maybe. But are they participating? Not so far as I've seen.
i thoroughly resemble that remark
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You're saying the global market is more important than everyone being
able
to download BBC content for free
Hi Frank,
Check mate for all of us, at the moment.
Yes, I am sure that the BBC would prevail if they took such a case to
court. at the same time, the potential for irreversible harm to the public
persona of the Corporation would be rather large. I am certain that none of us
has the right
In an era where we now have IP video delivery (and such
delivery will increase in the future) then what is the point
of the BBC? If Paul Jackson Productions can produce Red Dwarf IV
I'm going to put my Dwarf hat on and quote the production of Red Dwarf.
Series 1 (IIRC) was produced by BBC
Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Frankly, this is not a simple issue. It's nowhere near a simple issue.
And it's getting more complicated by the day.
When I hear of a simple issue I reach for my revolver.
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Sent: 20 December 2006 09:57
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Thanks, Martin, for the explanation - appreciated and understood.
In an era where we now have IP video delivery (and such delivery will
increase in the future) then what is the point
Congratulations to Azureus.. the first to get their foot in the door.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6194929.stm
Anyone know how much they paid?
Personally, I am a little sad. I would have thought that the BBC could have
done this for themselves. Instead of using a DRM model from
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Frankly, this is not a simple issue. It's nowhere near a simple issue.
And it's getting
Josh at GoUK.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Thanks, Martin, for the explanation - appreciated and understood.
In an era where we now have IP video delivery (and such delivery will
increase in the future) then what is the point of the BBC? If Paul Jackson
Productions can produce Red Dwarf IV,
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if the BBC started chucking out DRM free open format
: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 10:07 AM
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
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Just because the BBC is tasked with serving the British
public, and just because it's generally moving in the
direction of making content more freely available, it doesn't
mean that each of us
The
BBC could never have made Buffy the Vampire Slayer (the best TV *ever*
in my opnion and yes, I can justify that).
I rest my case. If Buffy is the best TV that can be made by commercial
television companies, they need to be outlawed. Buffy the Vampire Slayer is
the worst television show
don't get public money to support their online ventures.
Festive wishes
Josh
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I am talking specifically asking for non-technical managers
to be involved here. At least to some extent. I expect those
people to think that they've already made up their minds. But
they probably haven't really heard the wealth of different
opnions there are on the subject.
Its outside
But not everyone has the resources to publish and distribute - unless you
consider YouTube to be an acceptable delivery system. Neither does every
consumer have the ability to watch video delivered over the internet. You
forget that not everyone is a geek - a common problem on this list of late.
Mmmm, think we're getting to an age where we need to reassess
what tv quality programming is and what it means. We're not
heading to a TV age, so the concept of TV programming will
probably not be terribly relevant in a few years or so.
The concept of TV programming may disappear because
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Josh at GoUK.com wrote:
At one time, the BBC was needed as a distributor of content, but do
we
- you can get 8m people around the TV for a shared experience watching
Strictly Come Dancing and Doctor Who, but there are few (if any)
videos on YouTube with an aggregation of 8 million eyeballs on them
The shared experience thing is a red herring. 20 years ago, some shows would
have got 15 or
Luke Dicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Its outside the backstage remit for that kind of thing to be
officially happening here though surely. I mean, I doubt there's
anyone here who objects to this kind of discussion, sharing viewpoints
and arguing is a good thing, but as someone has already
How exactly is this discussion off-topic?
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On 20/12/06, Nic James Ferrier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tom Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Maybe we should try and get more BBC managers here.
How do you know there not watching this already? Seriously!
Watching, maybe. But are they participating? Not so far as I've seen.
i
Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Nic what kind of stuff are talking about doing? Which Lawyers are
you worried about? BBC or others? Can you give me an idea.
Sure. One thing I'd like to do would be to:
- take the BBC realvideo feeds (say newsnight)
- convert them into something
Nic James Ferrier wrote:
Frank Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In the other, we're just a
natural resource to be harvested and sold off like so
many varieties of attentional baked-beans; any benefits
we might get are a side-effect of the process.
I realise you said it was very crude but I
Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I rest my case. If Buffy is the best TV that can be made by commercial
television companies, they need to be outlawed. Buffy the Vampire Slayer is
the worst television show I've *ever* seen.
Then either you are not watching enough television or you
Frank Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
*May* be more likely, but most don't, unless you class football or
reality cop shows or 'Ironside' repeats as niche markets. Just
as most commercial retailers *may* be more likely to serve niche
markets, but most don't;
MTV.
the commercial imperative
Sent: 19 December 2006 15:14
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: RE: [backstage] democracyplayer
if the BBC started chucking out DRM free open format versions of
shows on the web, then it would have a massive impact on the global
market - BBC Worldwide has just signed a deal with Zudeo [1
Maybe we should try and get more BBC managers here.
How do you know there not watching this already? Seriously!
Define Managers?
Because, well, if Tom L (in charge of plan for future of bbc.co.uk), Jem
(in charge of strategy group for user generated content), Matt L (in
charge of
What you're talking about is a global, industry issue with thousands of
diverse stakeholders - from actors to cameramen.
And you also have to realise that the rights are not just for the UK,
there are different rights frameworks across the globe. So, for
example, if the BBC started chucking
or bbc podcasts, that
might be a way forward?
Ian Forrester || backstage.bbc.co.uk || x83965
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Hmm. My personal experience is that people (both ordinary users and
technical users) don't use generally podcasts, and that generally,
non
Brendan Quinn wrote:
The questions were actually [1]
Do you ever use the internet to...
Download a podcast so you can listen to it or view it at a later time?
Did you happen to do this yesterday, or not?
Which doesn't seem too misleading to me... Putting in the listen to it
or view it at a
?
I even wonder what the BBC is for in this digital era... ... ...
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What you're
The Joly G-man wrote:
The BBC are responsible in the main (AFAIK) for enforcing incorrect
terminology as follows:
1) forward slash - a term used by Naomi Troski on the Big Byte, circa
1994.
Since Ms Troski speaks fluent 'Strine, we assume that the term oblique
stroke was not in her
]
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 3:13:59 PM
Subject: RE: [backstage] democracyplayer
if the BBC started chucking out DRM free open format versions
of shows on the web, then it would have a massive impact on the global
market - BBC Worldwide has just signed a deal
Neil Burton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
As a license payer, and thus a funder of the BBC, I am keen to see
the BBC move towards covering costs as much as possible by re-using
free to listen/view content from the home market and re-sell it
abroad wherever a market may exist. To view the issue as
Hi Nic!
I'm glad to see that Ian is recommending Free Software and that you
took the time to check it out - Thanks, and cheers Ian :-)
On 17/12/06, Nic James Ferrier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When is auntie going to be publishing feeds so I can see the headlines
from the beeb in
Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So that's one reason for the BBC to dump their own-brand NIH-syndrome
iPlayer and start publishing video feeds you can consume in Democracy
or whatever player you like the most, just like they publish RSS feeds
of the news stories.
Absolutely. I like
** This is all my personal point of view **
I'm glad to see that Ian is recommending Free Software and that you
took the time to check it out.
Nobody mentioned that it was Free Software. I suspect it was recommended
by Ian and liked by Nic (and myself) because it's quick, its usable, and
it
I agree. I strongly agree. I've worked for GNU for 10 years. I've eaten Chinese
food with Richard Stallman.
I've eaten Indian with Mr Stallman
I've been thinking for a while about how to start persuading the BBC of this. I
don't think there's a problem persuading people like Ian. I'm
So I download democracyplayer based on Ian's recommendation (and the
fact that it doesn't trash my debian instance anymore).
Gosh it's cool.
When is auntie going to be publishing feeds so I can see the headlines
from the beeb in democracyplayer?
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