Re: [backstage] erik huggers on open standards
2008/8/13 Mike Melanson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Andy wrote: entirely untrue. Even more so today, anyone up to date with the latest industry developments would have noticed a few new laptops (sub-notebooks?) running non x86 CPUs. Name 2. I keep up with current subnotebooks and I don't know any that use non-x86 CPUs. http://www.google.com/search?q=mips+laptop+lemote is one -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] erik huggers on open standards
and these from nvidia http://www.nvidia.com/page/handheld.html 2008/8/13 Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2008/8/13 Mike Melanson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Andy wrote: entirely untrue. Even more so today, anyone up to date with the latest industry developments would have noticed a few new laptops (sub-notebooks?) running non x86 CPUs. Name 2. I keep up with current subnotebooks and I don't know any that use non-x86 CPUs. http://www.google.com/search?q=mips+laptop+lemote is one -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] erik huggers on open standards
2008/8/12 Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Unfortunately the statement that iPlayer will be the first to use open standards isnt sound AAC and H264 are patent encumbered, so the idea that they are open standards seems wishful thinking on Erik's part to me; they are merely popular. -- Regards, Dave Personal opinion only - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] erik huggers on open standards
On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 09:33:04 +0100, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AAC and H264 are patent encumbered, so the idea that they are open standards seems wishful thinking on Erik's part to me; they are merely popular. Different groups of people take the term Open Standard to mean different things: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_standard (Personally speaking, I prefer the definition Dave implies) Matt -- | Matt Hammond | Research Engineer, FMT, BBC, Kingswood Warren, Tadworth, Surrey, UK | http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] erik huggers on open standards
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 1:16 AM, Mike Melanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Name 2. I keep up with current subnotebooks and I don't know any that use non-x86 CPUs. The Maplin minibook uses an XBurst (MIPS). I could stretch the point and say that so does the Razorbook 400 (which would name 2), but that looks identical to the Maplin.
Re: [backstage] erik huggers on open standards
2008/8/13 Matt Hammond [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 09:33:04 +0100, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AAC and H264 are patent encumbered, so the idea that they are open standards seems wishful thinking on Erik's part to me; they are merely popular. Different groups of people take the term Open Standard to mean different things: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_standard http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_standard#Patents explains well the issue that I am bringing up. Especially interesting is: many governments (including the Danish, French and Spanish governments singly and the EU collectively) specifically affirmed that open standards required royalty-free [patent] licenses. When will the BBC specifically affirm that open standards at the BBC means royalty-free patent licenses? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_standard#File_formats does not list AAC/H264, but it does list some codecs that the BBC shamefully ignores. -- Regards, Dave Personal opinion only. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] erik huggers on open standards
2008/8/12 Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Oh and the statement evryone[sic] already had Flash installed is entirely untrue. Even more so today, anyone up to date with the latest industry developments would have noticed a few new laptops (sub-notebooks?) running non x86 CPUs. I can't find any Flash player available for these platform GNU Gnash so the claims these users already have Flash installed is complete rubbish. What's the BBC doing for these people? It ought to be supporting the development of GNU Gnash, which is fully portable and runs on all architectures. -- Regards, Dave Personal opinion only. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] erik huggers on open standards
Andy wrote: Unfortunately the statement that iPlayer will be the first to use open standards isn sounds. According to Anthony Rose's post ( http://tinyurl.com/5ew649 ) iPlayer will switch to H264 and AAC but will still be in Flash. So even devices carrying H264 hardware decoders won't be able to access the content as it's obscured by flash, despite the relative ease of providing an object path/to/h264. Oh and the statement evryone[sic] already had Flash installed is entirely untrue. Even more so today, anyone up to date with the latest industry developments would have noticed a few new laptops (sub-notebooks?) running non x86 CPUs. I can't find any Flash player available for these platform so the claims these users already have Flash installed is complete rubbish. What's the BBC doing for these people? +1 Not a netbook but not allowed to be an iphone: No flash on the Neo Freerunner[1] (ARM 4) :( [1] www.openmoko.com -- www.tdobson.net If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us still has one object. If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now has two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] erik huggers on open standards
Mike Melanson wrote: Andy wrote: entirely untrue. Even more so today, anyone up to date with the latest industry developments would have noticed a few new laptops (sub-notebooks?) running non x86 CPUs. Name 2. I keep up with current subnotebooks and I don't know any that use non-x86 CPUs. 2 mins of googling: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aware_Electronics Yes so that's the A-View, the AW-300 and the AW-150 subnotebooks for starters. -- www.tdobson.net If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us still has one object. If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now has two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] erik huggers on open standards
Tim Dobson wrote: Mike Melanson wrote: I keep up with current subnotebooks and I don't know any that use non-x86 CPUs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aware_Electronics Yes so that's the A-View, the AW-300 and the AW-150 subnotebooks for starters. In what way are those X86 CPUs non-x86? Personally I'm disgusted that there's no iPlayer support for my Psion 3c. S - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] erik huggers on open standards
Tim Dobson wrote: 2 mins of googling: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aware_Electronics Yes so that's the A-View, the AW-300 and the AW-150 subnotebooks for starters. All of which use Aday super486 CPUs. So these will be x86 compatible -- *Simon Thompson MEng MIET* Research Engineer (Electronics) *BBC Future Media and Technology* Kingswood Warren mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [backstage] erik huggers on open standards
2008/8/13 Steve Jolly [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Personally I'm disgusted that there's no iPlayer support for my Psion 3c. No one is expecting the BBC to support random obscure/unpopular devices. Many people are expecting the BBC to support open standards so that _they_ can support random obscure/unpopular devices. The BBC must support real open standards if it does not want to trample over smaller innovators, not merely big-vendor-neutral formats that are popular (like H264). -- Regards, Dave Personal opinion only - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] erik huggers on open standards
Simon Thompson wrote: Tim Dobson wrote: that's the A-View, the AW-300 and the AW-150 subnotebooks All of which use Aday super486 CPUs. So these will be x86 compatible Eek. My lack of knowledge relating to CPU architecture and x86 compatibility stuff seems to have let me down. Sorry! -- www.tdobson.net If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us still has one object. If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now has two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] erik huggers on open standards
Tim Dobson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote at 17:28 on 2008-08-13: Simon Thompson wrote: Tim Dobson wrote: that's the A-View, the AW-300 and the AW-150 subnotebooks All of which use Aday super486 CPUs. So these will be x86 compatible Eek. My lack of knowledge relating to CPU architecture and x86 compatibility stuff seems to have let me down. Though looking at the system requirements list, Adobe suggest a minimum of a PII-450[1] while the Aware machines are 486-compatibles at 300MHz max[2]. Out of interest, does anyone know which version of the x86 instruction set the Adobe flash plugin is compiled for? If it uses MMX, for instance, a 486 won't cut it no matter how quick it is. S [1] http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/productinfo/systemreqs/ [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aware_Electronics - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] erik huggers on open standards
Steffan Davies wrote: Out of interest, does anyone know which version of the x86 instruction set the Adobe flash plugin is compiled for? If it uses MMX, for instance, a 486 won't cut it no matter how quick it is. True enough. The Adobe Flash Player requires, at a minimum, MMX instructions. SSE and higher are supported but optional. -- -Mike Melanson - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] erik huggers on open standards
The Backstage community may be interested in this blog post from Erik on open standards http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2008/08/open_industry_standards_f or_au.html Nick Reynolds (Editor, BBC Internet Blog) BBC Future MediaTechnology ext: 12618 mobile: 0780 162 4919 address: BC4 C4, Broadcast Centre, White City W12 BBC Internet Blog http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/ My internal blog: http://bbcblogs.gateway.bbc.co.uk/reynonp1/ Future Media Technology: http://home.gateway.bbc.co.uk/fmt/main.asp?page=4282
