Re: [backstage] Publishing TV listings? BDS are after you...

2006-06-25 Thread Gordon Joly
At 12:10 +0100 23/6/06, Simon Huggins wrote: [Guardian cc'd as they have a Free Our Data column] On Fri, Jun 23, 2006 at 12:58:19AM +0100, Adam Leach wrote: This is another point of data collected and gathered using tax/license fee payers money, yet we can't access it without paying

Re: [backstage] Publishing TV listings? BDS are after you...

2006-06-23 Thread Nic James Ferrier
Adam Leach [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is another point of data collected and gathered using tax/license fee payers money, yet we can't access it without paying substantial fees. Until this changes small/spare time developers will not have the resources to create innovative web sites

Re: [backstage] Publishing TV listings? BDS are after you...

2006-06-23 Thread Simon Huggins
[Guardian cc'd as they have a Free Our Data column] On Fri, Jun 23, 2006 at 12:58:19AM +0100, Adam Leach wrote: This is another point of data collected and gathered using tax/license fee payers money, yet we can't access it without paying substantial fees. I presume the commercial channels'

RE: [backstage] Publishing TV listings? BDS are after you...

2006-06-23 Thread Andrew Bowden
Obviously BDS (along with other companies) have a business model which involves aggregating schedule data and supplying it to other parties. (Why is it I always think of something extra to say, after I've sent the email?) It's also worth remembering the history behind the particular Act of

RE: [backstage] Publishing TV listings? BDS are after you...

2006-06-23 Thread Andrew Bowden
The one part of this I *really* don't get is that accurate TV listing data is only going to generate more viewers. So why on earth would you want to restrict it? You would be amazed at how many similar situations there are to this - there was quite an interesting one recently where

Re: [backstage] Publishing TV listings? BDS are after you...

2006-06-23 Thread Peter Bowyer
On 23/06/06, Simon Huggins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The one part of this I *really* don't get is that accurate TV listing data is only going to generate more viewers. So why on earth would you want to restrict it? Because 'generating more viewers' is only one part of the value commercial

RE: [backstage] Publishing TV listings? BDS are after you...

2006-06-23 Thread Jeremy Stone
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Cowlishaw Sent: 23 June 2006 12:47 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Publishing TV listings? BDS are after you... On 6/23/06, Adam Leach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is another point of data collected and gathered

Re: [backstage] Publishing TV listings? BDS are after you...

2006-06-23 Thread Richard P Edwards
I am sure that BDS do pay the BBC. The difference here is that the BBC, as Backstage, made the content available for use... and as such, has a clear responsibility to BDS, and any other commercial user, as well as the members of Backstage, to make sure that everyone works within the BBC's

Re: [backstage] Publishing TV listings? BDS are after you...

2006-06-23 Thread Adam Leach
Quoting Tim Cowlishaw [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 6/23/06, Adam Leach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is another point of data collected and gathered using tax/license fee payers money, yet we can't access it without paying substantial fees. I should point out here that BDS are not funded by the

RE: [backstage] Publishing TV listings? BDS are after you...

2006-06-23 Thread Jeremy Stone
, backstage.bbc.co.uk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Cowlishaw Sent: 23 June 2006 12:47 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Publishing TV listings? BDS are after you... On 6/23/06, Adam Leach [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [backstage] Publishing TV listings? BDS are after you...

2006-06-23 Thread James Cridland
So just to make absolutely clear. The BBC will continue to make ourlistings available for free (as part of the TV Anytime feed) and we arekeen for developers as part of the remit of backstage to continue to be able to create and be innovative with the usage of that data.That's all fine, but just

Re: [backstage] Publishing TV listings? BDS are after you...

2006-06-23 Thread Tom Loosemore
So just to make absolutely clear. The BBC will continue to make our listings available for free (as part of the TV Anytime feed) and we are keen for developers as part of the remit of backstage to continue to be able to create and be innovative with the usage of that data. That's all fine, but

Re: [backstage] Publishing TV listings? BDS are after you...

2006-06-22 Thread Dave Whitehead
James- Looks like you got the same email that Andrew Flegg of http://www.bleb.org/got, he manage to get agreement from BDS that using the bbc tvanytime data doesn't require a fee being paid but he's had to remove the ITV data. You would of thought that tv companies would love for everyone

Re: [backstage] Publishing TV listings? BDS are after you...

2006-06-22 Thread Adam Leach
This is another point of data collected and gathered using tax/license fee payers money, yet we can't access it without paying substantial fees. Until this changes small/spare time developers will not have the resources to create innovative web sites and ideas that BBC Backstage are trying to

Re: [backstage] Publishing TV listings? BDS are after you...

2006-06-22 Thread Kirk Northrop
Adam Leach wrote: This is another point of data collected and gathered using tax/license fee payers money, yet we can't access it without paying substantial fees. The BBC data seems to be fine, someone said. Remember the days when the Radio Times had BBC and the TV Times had ITV? It's like