At 15:16 +0100 14/6/06, Kim Plowright wrote:
Quick general recap - sorry, have only just managed to dip in to the
list again,
- yep - people here are aware of the accessibility requirements under
the DDA, and there's been some excellent internal training and awareness
run which covered learning
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Kim,
the application I am describing, promoting and developing benefits
people wit
David,
there are some pretty fundamental differences... you might also want
to look at Makaton and PCS
also there is the Concept Coding Framework, which is a proposed means
of translating between symbol languages.
regards
Jonathan Chetwynd
On 13 Jun 2006, at 14:24, David Burden wrote:
Graeme,
they are proprietary, and this is a huge issue in respect of the web.
The fact is that Widgit create the symbols in SVG but distribute in
other formats.
similarly the symbols on web pages are awkward eg large gifs covering
a number of symbols, or with peculiar names.
Unfortunately f
differences between the two?
David
David Burden
www.chatbots.co.uk
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with live graphics
The symbolworld site uses a system of graphics called "Widgit Rebus Symbols", are they proprietry or is there an independent body responsible for standardising new symbols ?
Are there licensing issues attached to using symbols to represent text ?On 6/13/06, Jonathan Chetwynd <
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Hi Guys,
I am always interested in the copyright issues that arrive in this
discussion from time to time.
Regarding the BBC, has anyone thought to ask their lawyers to simply
put a clause in to their
own license contract agreement?
At least then one would be able to make informed decisions b
Matthew,
sorry was replying to DED rather than CA
would that be double indemnity ~:"
cheers
Jonathan Chetwynd
On 13 Jun 2006, at 09:20, Matthew Somerville wrote:
Jonathan Chetwynd wrote:
given the BBC's remit might this mean they need to ensure that they
have copyright clearance, if they
aeme Mulvaney
Sent: 09 June 2006 20:17
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Generally the images don't belong to the BBC per se, so they can't re-
distribute them.
Besides, you'd have to question the relevance of the thumbnail images
an
a few correspondents have mentioned the use of stock photographs.
People with Learning Disabilities benefit from consistency and many
learn an alphabet of images. Some start with photographs of concrete
objects and then move on to symbol libraries.
A screengrab of how the bbc news homepage
f looking
for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the
wrong remedies" ~ Groucho Marx
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I believe the majority
of the images on the News site aren’t taken by the BBC themselves – in other
words, they don’t have a team of roving photographers dispatched to news story
locations. Many of them co
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[...] In fact, I think there was a blog about this,
which poked fun at the BBC's stock image usage - bunny something or another.
The Beeb's news site used to get laughed at in the railway world because
they nearly always used a picture of an old ob
Jonathan Chetwynd wrote:
given the BBC's remit might this mean they need to ensure that they have
copyright clearance, if they need it?
Sorry, I don't understand. The whole point of the Copyright (Visually
Impaired Persons) Act is that it enables (some) people to make accessible
versions of (
Matthew,
given the BBC's remit might this mean they need to ensure that they
have copyright clearance, if they need it?
regards
Jonathan Chetwynd
On 13 Jun 2006, at 08:29, Matthew Somerville wrote:
Jonathan Chetwynd wrote:
"The Disability Equality Duty will apply, from December 2006, to
Jonathan Chetwynd wrote:
"The Disability Equality Duty will apply, from December 2006, to the BBC
, Channel 4 and the Welsh Fourth Channel (S4C). "
Right, but that's irrelevant to my point. That simply means that those
organisations have to put the effort in to promoting disability equality, i
Matthew,
"The Disability Equality Duty will apply, from December 2006, to the
BBC , Channel 4 and the Welsh Fourth Channel (S4C). "
for more:
http://www.drc-gb.org/employers_and_service_provider/
disability_equality_duty.aspx
"The Disability Equality Duty for the public sector comes into
] feeds with live graphics?
Generally the images don't belong to the BBC per se, so they
can't re-distribute them.
Besides, you'd have to question the relevance of the
thumbnail images anyway :-
How does a picture of a woman with a dodgy perm help
you understand t
Jonathan Chetwynd wrote:
the application I am describing, promoting and developing benefits
people with a learning disability so your quote may be relevant:
"not for profit playing of sound recordings and to help visually
impaired people."
Sadly, the latter only applies to printed materi
But perhaps thumbnail graphics aren't the way to go - wouldn't a dedicated news feed that was written in plainer English be more useful, users would then be able to choose stories from that feed and then have the full versions read out to them ?
Clearer news summaries would better all round.
On
Kim,
the application I am describing, promoting and developing benefits
people with a learning disability so your quote may be relevant:
"not for profit playing of sound recordings and to help visually
impaired people."
furthermore, in the USA there have been recent changes in the la
7;m not a lawyer.
Kim
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I believe for such small graphics "fair use" ma
age-
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> I believe for such small graphics "fair use" ma
I believe for such small graphics "fair use" may apply...
have you seen:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/homearchive/
this was originally and for many months hosted here:
http://www.whitelabel.org/~matthew/bbcfront/
presumably scraped on a minute by minute basis :-)
cheers
Jonathan Chetwynd
On 12 Jun
I think the copyright issue still applies as you would be re-using the images in your service despite the BBC having licensed them.
There must be a few thumbnails associated with each news video clip - they show up in the viewer and on the website from time to time and would be more relevant to t
Any one know how i can get my name out of this mailing list?
thanks
Fred
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Graeme,
"a picture of a beardy man" can be used by an interested person
without reading skills to select text for a screen or text reader to
read, for example.
a feed with a link to a graphic isn't re-distribution of the graphic.
regards
Jonathan Chetwynd
On 9 Jun 2006, at 20:17, Graeme
Generally the images don't belong to the BBC per se, so they can't re-distribute them.
Besides, you'd have to question the relevance of the thumbnail images anyway :-
How does a picture of a woman with a dodgy perm help you understand that the NHS has agreed to fund an anti-cancer treatment ? or
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