RE: [backstage] iMP: accessibility, is the smell really that bad?

2005-11-09 Thread Gordon Joly
Betsie's days are no doubt numbered - modern coding techniques allow much greater accessibility to be built into webpages, allowing accessibility without having to resort to parsers like Betsie. You can do a huge amount with a sensible HTML structure and CSS layout/presenation techniques.

RE: [backstage] iMP: accessibility, is the smell really that bad?

2005-11-09 Thread Gordon Joly
At 14:04 + 9/11/05, Andrew Bowden wrote: Betsie is a bull in a sledgehammer/nut approach to accessibility from a time when that was the only way to crack the nut. Now, someone has invented the nutcracker. Of course not everyone yet has a nutcracker so we still need the sledgehammer, but

Re: [backstage] iMP: accessibility, is the smell really that bad?

2005-11-08 Thread Neil Smith [MVP Digital Media]
Thanks for the screenshots James. So unless they just ripped the graphics from WMP (possible but unlikely) it's using that as an embedded client. It could be worth trying some of the standard WM player keyboard shortcuts, eg F9/F10 for volume, ALT+ENTER for full screen, and see if it

RE: [backstage] iMP: accessibility, is the smell really that bad?

2005-11-08 Thread Gordon Joly
http://www.bbc.co.uk/accessibility/ Why is there no text only link on this page? There is on most pages on bbc.co.uk... Feel free to use this! http://www.recursion.co.uk/cgi-bin/betsie.cgi/www.bbc.co.uk/accessibility/ No charge! Gordo -- Think Feynman/

Re: [backstage] iMP: accessibility, is the smell really that bad?

2005-11-08 Thread J.P.Knight
On Tue, 8 Nov 2005, James wrote: Here's a few screenies: http://www.webcoding.co.uk/imp/ Note that you can actually play the DRM'd files in Media Player itself, it doesnt have to go through the iMP player design. All the video's can be fast forwarded etc without issue. With all this DRMed

RE: [backstage] iMP: accessibility, is the smell really that bad?

2005-11-08 Thread Andrew Bowden
http://www.bbc.co.uk/accessibility/ Why is there no text only link on this page? There is on most pages on bbc.co.uk... Probably because it has accessibility features built into the page itself, which allow the presentation in a similar way to what Betsie provides, and in some aspects,

RE: [backstage] iMP: accessibility, is the smell really that bad?

2005-11-08 Thread Kim Plowright
: accessibility, is the smell really that bad? http://www.bbc.co.uk/accessibility/ Why is there no text only link on this page? There is on most pages on bbc.co.uk... Feel free to use this! http://www.recursion.co.uk/cgi-bin/betsie.cgi/www.bbc.co.uk/accessibilit y/ No charge! Gordo -- Think

RE: [backstage] iMP: accessibility, is the smell really that bad?

2005-11-07 Thread Kim Plowright
I don't know about exactly how they've taken accessibility into account on iMP - maybe take the question to the message board posted here earlier? I'll ask Priya on your behalf if I see her around, though. I can't imagine for a second it's been ignored, but I suppose there's a possibility that

Re: [backstage] iMP: accessibility, is the smell really that bad?

2005-11-07 Thread James
Since it's a testing beta more aimed at testing the technology and the idea I'm sure the accessibility elements will come in when it's out. The boards suggest a limited budget to examine this idea and that's why we havent seen a linux or mac client and I suspect the same can be applied to a

Re: [backstage] iMP: accessibility, is the smell really that bad?

2005-11-07 Thread Al Petfield
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Re: [backstage] iMP: accessibility, is the smell really that bad?

2005-11-07 Thread Chris Walker
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Re: [backstage] iMP: accessibility, is the smell really that bad?

2005-11-07 Thread Neil Smith [MVP Digital Media]
At 12:01 07/11/2005, you wrote: Since it's a testing beta more aimed at testing the technology and the idea I'm sure the accessibility elements will come in when it's out. The boards suggest a limited budget to examine this idea and that's why we havent seen a linux or mac client and I suspect

Re: [backstage] iMP: accessibility, is the smell really that bad?

2005-11-07 Thread James
Here's a few screenies: http://www.webcoding.co.uk/imp/ Note that you can actually play the DRM'd files in Media Player itself, it doesnt have to go through the iMP player design. All the video's can be fast forwarded etc without issue. Jim. Neil Smith [MVP Digital Media] wrote: At