[backstage] Mapping the World of Piracy

2009-02-09 Thread Mr I Forrester
Via NewTeeVee - http://newteevee.com/2009/02/05/mapping-the-world-of-piracy/ - Enjoy! The folks at the Pirate Bay released a Google Maps mash-up Wednesday that illustrates its worldwide user base, with exact percentages by country. It’s a pretty fascinating project in that it helps to dispel

[backstage] Make the primary operating system used in state schools free and open source

2009-02-09 Thread Mr I Forrester
Seen this in my mailbox a few times today, sure you will all find this interesting... We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to Make the primary operating system used in state schools free and open source http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/nonMSschools/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk

Re: [backstage] Press Association API?

2009-02-09 Thread Martin Deutsch
Just dug this out to have a quick look at it, and it seems that api.welcomebackstage.com doesn't exist - any clues about where we could find the data? Thanks, Martin On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.ukwrote: Ok ok, It does exist, the delay has mainly been on

Re: [backstage] Make the primary operating system used in state schools free and open source

2009-02-09 Thread Richard Lockwood
Mm. Very interesting. If something as simple as a petition will make Windows free and open source, why has no-one thought of it before? Why do the idiots who start these petitions never have any kind of grasp of grammar? Or proof reading? Would you take anyone seriously who turned up on your

RE: [backstage] Make the primary operating system used in state schools free and open source

2009-02-09 Thread Christopher Woods
Seen this in my mailbox a few times today, sure you will all find this interesting... We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to Make the primary operating system used in state schools free and open source http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/nonMSschools/ I find this idea

Re: [backstage] Make the primary operating system used in state schools free and open source

2009-02-09 Thread Phil Whitehouse
He isn't advocating making Windows open source, the petition states that the primary OS used in schools should be a free and open source alternative to windows. Not idiotic at all. I've signed up. Phil On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Richard Lockwood richard.lockw...@gmail.com wrote: Mm.

Re: [backstage] Make the primary operating system used in state schools free and open source

2009-02-09 Thread Ant Miller
Chris, your points are very interesting, and I wonder if you've been in touch with the team who are behind Open Labs: Learning? http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/openlearning/ a On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Christopher Woods chris...@infinitus.co.ukwrote: Seen this in my mailbox a few times

Re: [backstage] Make the primary operating system used in state schools free and open source

2009-02-09 Thread Dave Crossland
2009/2/9 Richard Lockwood richard.lockw...@gmail.com: If something as simple as a petition will make Windows free and open source, why has no-one thought of it before? That is not what the petition is about! :-) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please

Re: [backstage] Make the primary operating system used in state schools free and open source

2009-02-09 Thread Ant Miller
Interesting that OLPC has just gone OS! Also,: www.opensourceschools.org.uk http://www.osor.eu/news/uk-open-source-is-core-to-education http://www.141.co.uk/?p=164 On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote: 2009/2/9 Richard Lockwood richard.lockw...@gmail.com: If

Re: [backstage] Make the primary operating system used in state schools free and open source

2009-02-09 Thread Rob Myers
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Christopher Woods chris...@infinitus.co.uk Transforming a Windows school to an Ubuntu school is nigh on impossible to achieve unless you provide a year's warning, gradually phase out use of all Windows-only software over the course of the year, implement the

RE: [backstage] Make the primary operating system used in state schools free and open source

2009-02-09 Thread Andrew Bowden
Transforming a Windows school to an Ubuntu school is nigh on impossible to achieve unless you provide a year's warning, gradually phase out use of all Windows-only software over the course of the year, implement the massive overhaul and platform transition during the holidays and then

Re: [backstage] Make the primary operating system used in state schools free and open source

2009-02-09 Thread Phil Whitehouse
Maybe I'm a poor deluded misguided fool who needs showing the error of my ways? Lorks, far from it! I think we'd need a lot of people like you if the government does try and introduce open source into schools. These are really important problems that mustn't be overlooked. I'll assume for the

Re: [backstage] Make the primary operating system used in state schools free and open source

2009-02-09 Thread Dave Crossland
2009/2/9 Phil Whitehouse phil.whiteho...@gmail.com: Maybe I'm a poor deluded misguided fool who needs showing the error of my ways? We're training our kids to give money to vendors for their entire lives. And, more importantly IMO, to not consider the value of freedom in relation to the parts

RE: [backstage] Make the primary operating system used in state schools free and open source

2009-02-09 Thread Christopher Woods
And yet they will end up on a newer Microsoft operating system at some point. ;-) Right - if they really stayed put with what they have, then they'd still be using Acorns. Which probably taught kids more about computer science than the XP machines in use today ;-) So, rather than

Re: [backstage] Make the primary operating system used in state schools free and open source

2009-02-09 Thread Neil Aberdeen
Although this rant is impassioned and detailed it's almost comically misinformed. What's happening in education IT(C) is the imposition of a £45bn corporate cash cow called Building Schools for the Future (BSF) - through which the government is shamefully entering into yet more PFI

[backstage] Twittering on

2009-02-09 Thread Frank Wales
Apparently, there are complaints about how much air time twitter is being given by the BBC: http://thenextweb.com/2009/02/09/bbc-radio-listeners-kick-fuss-twitter-time-bbc-create-microblogging-service/ -- Frank Wales [fr...@limov.com] - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To

Re: [backstage] Make the primary operating system used in state schools free and open source

2009-02-09 Thread Michael
On Monday 09 February 2009 17:32:58 Christopher Woods wrote: The main sticking point for most schools is the can we help students if... question. This is part of the issue that some people forget when they put their personal politics before the needs of children at school. If a tool undermines

Re: [backstage] Make the primary operating system used in state schools free and open source

2009-02-09 Thread backstage
On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 04:12:09PM -, Christopher Woods wrote: Aside from the fact that the suite of *de facto* software the students would use day in and day would need to be the same, in some cases the bloody curriculum demanded that particular software be used, so your hands were tied.

Re: [backstage] Twittering on

2009-02-09 Thread Rob Myers
Frank Wales wrote: Apparently, there are complaints about how much air time twitter is being given by the BBC: http://thenextweb.com/2009/02/09/bbc-radio-listeners-kick-fuss-twitter-time-bbc-create-microblogging-service/ Yeah, all the cool kids are on identi.ca now. ;-) - Rob.

RE: [backstage] Make the primary operating system used in state schools free and open source

2009-02-09 Thread Christopher Woods
Although this rant is impassioned and detailed it's almost comically misinformed. What's happening in education IT(C) is the imposition of a £45bn corporate cash cow called Building Schools for the Future (BSF) - through which the government is shamefully entering into yet more PFI relationships.

RE: [backstage] Make the primary OS used in state schools FOSS

2009-02-09 Thread Richard Smedley
On Mon, 2009-02-09 at 16:12 +, Christopher Woods wrote: Given that many schools' IT infrastructure development was so organic and self-funded throughout the 90s, they are now in the situation where it is almost completely impractical to start from scratch with a FOSS OS and FOSS software,

RE: [backstage] Make the primary operating system used in state schools free and open source

2009-02-09 Thread Christopher Woods
Sorry for those who can't quite figure out what I'm quoting and what I'm saying myself in my previous email, when I converted to plaintext I forgot to add in the appropriate quote marks. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit

RE: [backstage] Twittering on

2009-02-09 Thread Ian Forrester
The really cool kids are on both right? Surely it's the same as when Radio presenters couldn't help but chat about there Myspace pages all the time? Every bar I go into now a days, there's talk about Youtube, Facebook and sometimes Twitter anyway. Cheers, Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [x]

RE: [backstage] Press Association API?

2009-02-09 Thread Ian Forrester
We're changing the urls of a lot of things and expect to have it launched this month. Sorry for the delay Ian Forrester This e-mail is: [x] private; [] ask first; [] bloggable Senior Producer, BBC Backstage Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ email: ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk

Re: [backstage] Twittering on

2009-02-09 Thread Dave Crossland
2009/2/9 Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk: The really cool kids are on both right? Given that identi.ca can now supply Twitter and Facebook with messages automatically itself - just pop in your login details - this isn't as cool as it sounds. ;p - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion

Re: [backstage] Twittering on

2009-02-09 Thread Rob Myers
Ian Forrester wrote: The really cool kids are on both right? I refer the honourable gentleman to the smiley I appended at the conclusion of my previous statement. ;-) I think Twitter has the more famous people on it. Surely it's the same as when Radio presenters couldn't help but chat about

Re: [backstage] Make the primary OS used in state schools FOSS

2009-02-09 Thread Dave Crossland
2009/2/9 Richard Smedley r...@m6-it.org: curriculum areas - this can easily be delivered through 500 - 600 web apps. The whole curriculum. A small investment from government (less than 1% of the UK's annual school IT spend) would get all of these apps written. Released under the GNU GPL,

Re: [backstage] Make the primary OS used in state schools FOSS

2009-02-09 Thread Richard Smedley
On Mon, 2009-02-09 at 19:15 +, Dave Crossland wrote: 2009/2/9 Richard Smedley r...@m6-it.org: curriculum areas - this can easily be delivered through 500 - 600 web apps. The whole curriculum. A small investment from government (less than 1% of the UK's annual school IT spend) would get

Re: [backstage] Make the primary operating system used in state schools free and open source

2009-02-09 Thread Rob Myers
Who cares if MS is de facto in the school setting if it serves its purpose?=20 Its purpose (as someone else pointed out quite eloquently) is to teach kids. I don't know how well MS software teaches anything other than how to use the previous version of MS software, a skill that at best

Re: [backstage] Twittering on

2009-02-09 Thread Soulla Stylianou
Actually a lot of tweeters complain about the likes of Chris Moyles et al moving into twitter! Soulla :) 2009/2/9 Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org Ian Forrester wrote: The really cool kids are on both right? I refer the honourable gentleman to the smiley I appended at the conclusion of my

Re: [backstage] Twittering on

2009-02-09 Thread Duncan Barclay
I have to admit that I generally don't see the point of twitter. Having said that though, this recent spell of cold weather has actually made me like it, mostly because the university I go to have been updating us on whether the uni is closed via twitter (http://twitter.com/UniofBath), and also

Re: [backstage] Twittering on

2009-02-09 Thread Rob Myers
Duncan Barclay wrote: I have to admit that I generally don't see the point of twitter. You could have fitted that into a twitter message and reached a much wider audience. ;-) - Rob. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [backstage] Make the primary operating system used in state schools free and open source

2009-02-09 Thread Richard Lockwood
I allege that the advantages of switching to Free Software *can* outweigh the costs (sic) of support, teaching, and third party staff upgrading their skills to more open, flexible and studiable systems. ;-) I like the use of the word allege. Can you demonstrate it? Cheers, Rich. - Sent via

Re: [backstage] Make the primary OS used in state schools FOSS

2009-02-09 Thread Dave Crossland
2009/2/9 Richard Smedley r...@m6-it.org: Good point. Although I had in mind putting the apps on the school's intranet server, in which case GPL would be adequate. However there would doubtless be a market for remote delivery. Affero is still important for intranets; The plain GPL does not

Re: [backstage] Make the primary operating system used in state schools free and open source

2009-02-09 Thread Rob Myers
Richard Lockwood wrote: I allege that the advantages of switching to Free Software *can* outweigh the costs (sic) of support, teaching, and third party staff upgrading their skills to more open, flexible and studiable systems. ;-) I like the use of the word allege. Can you demonstrate it?

RE: [backstage] Make the primary operating system used in stateschools free and open source

2009-02-09 Thread Rupert Watson
It goes deeper than this; currently there is no place in the national curriculum to teach kids to touch type. So even though they will most likely spend a large part of their time on a keyboard no one thinks it appropriate to teach them an effective way to do that. Rupert Watson +44 7787554801

Re: [backstage] Twittering on

2009-02-09 Thread Soulla Stylianou
for me I have made some excellent connections via twitter both for work purposes and for personal. I now have a modest number of followers and I follower an equal number of people. I have connected on a social level with Greeks/Cypriots around the globe who are interested in Web 2.0, twitterers in

RE: [backstage] Make the primary OS used in state schools FOSS

2009-02-09 Thread Christopher Woods
How as a FOSS company are you going to maintain a well-staffed callout team and helpdesk if the software you are providing is essentially free? Why is that a problem? My companies have never had a problem charging for support for Free Software. All software needs support. You

Re: [backstage] Make the primary operating system used in state schools free and open source

2009-02-09 Thread Adam
Richard Lockwood wrote: I allege that the advantages of switching to Free Software *can* outweigh the costs (sic) of support, teaching, and third party staff upgrading their skills to more open, flexible and studiable systems. ;-) I like the use of the word allege. Can you demonstrate

RE: [backstage] Make the primary OS used in state schools FOSS

2009-02-09 Thread Christopher Woods
bits and bobs snipped Note I'm not affiliated with these groups, nor am I a teacher, just showing that working, LEA-or-bigger SaaS *is* being delivered because of that better resourcing. It warms the cockles of my very being to hear that some organisations can get it right :) I wonder how

Re: [backstage] Twittering on

2009-02-09 Thread Mr I Forrester
Feel strongly that the BBC should use something else instead of Twitter, how about voting or offering your support here. http://ideas.welcomebackstage.com/ideatorrent/idea/16/ Cheers, Ian - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit

Re: [backstage] Twittering on

2009-02-09 Thread Dave Cross
Dave Crossland wrote: 2009/2/9 Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk: The really cool kids are on both right? Given that identi.ca can now supply Twitter and Facebook with messages automatically itself - just pop in your login details - this isn't as cool as it sounds. ;p Yeah. Because

Re: [backstage] Twittering on

2009-02-09 Thread Soulla Stylianou
I must admit I took one look at identi.ca and came straight out again. It just looks messy compared to twitter. Perhaps I should take a second glance. Saying that my twitter feeds my facebook page and I generally don't go into facebook anymore although when I do I get a number of messages from