Re: [backstage] Make the primary OS used in state schools FOSS

2009-02-10 Thread Alun Rowe
On 09/02/2009 23:15, Christopher Woods chris...@infinitus.co.uk wrote: unless some incredibly well-designed thin client solutions were brought to my attention (and then you're talking equivalent prices for thin clients as you would for regular MiniATX desktops). I'm not sure that a thin

Re: [backstage] Make the primary operating system used in state schools free and open source

2009-02-10 Thread Alun Rowe
³Microsoft offers the OS and Office at extremely competitive prices to schools. I have heard it quoted as being around £5 per license for Office.² It is cheaper but not that cheap... For example: MS Office single license = £43 + £25 Software assurance Windows Server Standard (Single License)

Re: [backstage] Make the primary OS used in state schools FOSS

2009-02-10 Thread Phil Whitehouse
I think FOSS can have a huge future but the community need to think about user experience then it will be taken more seriously. FWIW I've just come back from FOSDEM (open source community event in Brussels), and there are plenty of open source projects now putting usability at the top of their

Re: [backstage] Make the primary OS used in state schools FOSS

2009-02-10 Thread Rob Myers
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Alun Rowe alun.r...@pentangle.co.uk wrote: //personal rant coming up... For any open source software (Linux for example) to really work on the network en mass we need to about user experience. Currently I've yet to see an attractive/user friendly piece of

Re: [backstage] Make the primary operating system used in state schools free and open source

2009-02-10 Thread Fearghas McKay
On 10 Feb 2009, at 09:23, Alun Rowe wrote: “Microsoft offers the OS and Office at extremely competitive prices to schools. I have heard it quoted as being around £5 per license for Office.” It is cheaper but not that cheap... At Glasgow University it used to be nearly that cheap -

Re: [backstage] Make the primary operating system used in state schools free and open source

2009-02-10 Thread Alun Rowe
I was basing it on purchasing a single copy. Purchasing a site wide license for say 500 desktops would see significant savings. The Home/Student edition is cheaper but that's not for schools to use, it's for the students to have on their own laptops which they aren't allowed to connect to the

Re: [backstage] Make the primary OS used in state schools FOSS

2009-02-10 Thread Alun Rowe
On 10/02/2009 09:36, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Alun Rowe alun.r...@pentangle.co.uk wrote: //personal rant coming up... For any open source software (Linux for example) to really work on the network en mass we need to about user experience.

RE: [backstage] Make the primary operating system used in stateschools free and open source

2009-02-10 Thread Andrew Bowden
It goes deeper than this; currently there is no place in the national curriculum to teach kids to touch type. So even though they will most likely spend a large part of their time on a keyboard no one thinks it appropriate to teach them an effective way to do that. Bet they know who was

Re: [backstage] Make the primary operating system used in state schools free and open source

2009-02-10 Thread Phil Whitehouse
The cost of school licences is a drop in the ocean compared to the cost of lifetime subscription. Microsoft may be many things, but they aren't stupid..! Phil On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Fearghas McKay fm-li...@st-kilda.orgwrote: On 10 Feb 2009, at 09:23, Alun Rowe wrote: Microsoft

Re: [backstage] Make the primary operating system used in state schools free and open source

2009-02-10 Thread Fearghas McKay
On 10 Feb 2009, at 09:51, Alun Rowe wrote: I was basing it on purchasing a single copy. Purchasing a site wide license for say 500 desktops would see significant savings. Which was Adam's point. The Home/Student edition is cheaper but that's not for schools to use, it's for the

Re: [backstage] Make the primary operating system used in state schools free and open source

2009-02-10 Thread Alun Rowe
On 10/02/2009 10:24, Fearghas McKay fm-li...@st-kilda.org wrote: I was basing it on purchasing a single copy. Purchasing a site wide license for say 500 desktops would see significant savings. Which was Adam's point. Indeed, the figures I included on the first email were just an

Re: [backstage] Make the primary operating system used in state schools free and open source

2009-02-10 Thread Lee Stone
If the home/school copy works out at £33 each, you might as well look at purchasing from www.theultimatesteal.com Get office ultimate 2007 for £38.95 - I believe this is the second year they've done it now as I took advantage of it last year as a student. It certainly makes it a lot more

Re: [backstage] Make the primary operating system used in state schools free and open source

2009-02-10 Thread Fearghas McKay
On 10 Feb 2009, at 10:41, Lee Stone wrote: Get office ultimate 2007 for £38.95 - I believe this is the second year they've done it now as I took advantage of it last year as a student. It certainly makes it a lot more affordable. That would mean running Windaes and me having to support it

RE: [backstage] Make the primary operating system used in state schools free and open source

2009-02-10 Thread Gareth Davis
Something not being discussed, is that there can be any amount of take up of open source platforms within a school - you don't have to go 100%. Way back in my sixth form days (1996) between the Head of Learning Resources, a former student who was now at university and myself - we replaced the

RE: [backstage] Make the primary OS used in state schools FOSS

2009-02-10 Thread Gareth Davis
-Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Richard Smedley Sent: 09 February 2009 18:32 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Make the primary OS used in state schools FOSS PCs in schools are

Re: [backstage] Make the primary operating system used in state schools free and open source

2009-02-10 Thread Neil Aberdeen
Interesting as all these discussions are schools will have what's given to them and supported under BSF monoploy IT provision (see http://www.edugeek.net/wiki/index.php/List_of_awarded_ICT_contracts) unless there is resistance and/or failure (see

Re: [backstage] Make the primary operating system used in state schools free and open source

2009-02-10 Thread Fearghas McKay
On 10 Feb 2009, at 12:20, Neil Aberdeen wrote: Interesting as all these discussions are schools will have what's given to them and supported under BSF monoploy IT provision (see http://www.edugeek.net/wiki/index.php/List_of_awarded_ICT_contracts) unless there is resistance and/or failure

RE: [backstage] Make the primary OS used in state schools FOSS

2009-02-10 Thread Richard Smedley
On Mon, 2009-02-09 at 23:15 +, Christopher Woods wrote: different in its model, aiming itself as it does as a social enterprise for the voluntary and educational sectors. How many schools do you serve in your locality? (just curious...) Your model obviously works exceptionally well for

RE: [backstage] Make the primary OS used in state schools FOSS

2009-02-10 Thread Richard Smedley
A postscript: Anyone interested in helping to improve the IT situation in schools (through FOSS) may be interested in membership of Schoolforge-UK. http://groups.google.com/group/sf-uk-discuss/about The website contains many case studies, and the (low traffic) mailing list a number of

Re: [backstage] Make the primary OS used in state schools FOSS

2009-02-10 Thread Fearghas McKay
On 10 Feb 2009, at 17:57, Richard Smedley wrote: I'm suggesting 500 or 600 wholly new web apps, designed to cover the whole curriculum. A framework would be specified, and commissions given to *UK* developers - including bids from schools. Of course the EU won't let us do it, but there's