Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-04 Thread Dave Crossland
On 04/12/06, Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://cubicgarden.blip.tv/file/109840 The Google Maps API key on this page is broken. There also appears to be no download link for the video, so I can't watch it with Free Software. Any tips? :-) http://www.flickr.com/groups/[EMAIL

Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-04 Thread Dave Crossland
On 04/12/06, Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://blip.tv/file/get/Cubicgarden-interviewWithTristanNitotPresidentOfMozillaEurope758.MP4 Sorry to be lame, but how did you arrive at that URL? What did I miss? :-) -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To

Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-04 Thread Dave Crossland
On 04/12/06, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: May I ask why you don't want to use Flash? Certainly - I'm glad you asked, and am happy to explain why :-) Have you heard of Free Software? I expect you have heard of OpenSource software. While the end results are the same, the

Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-04 Thread Dave Crossland
On 04/12/06, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, it is not complete to a level that meets my needs (Although it will play almost everything, it can crash my webbrowser even more than the Adobe Flash player can, and I *HATE* it when my browser crashes :-) -- Regards, Dave - Sent

Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Dave Crossland
On 04/12/06, Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for some reason Flash brings the zealots out in force. ;-) I'm not sure why you are calling me a 'zealot'. Did I say something unreasonable? -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please

Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Dave Crossland
On 05/12/06, Neil Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is hope http://osflash.org/ This is very, very interesting. Because Flash blurs the distinctionbetween code and data, I wonder if it is inconsisent to object toproprietary Flash player software, yet accept proprietary Flash'content'

Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Dave Crossland
On 05/12/06, Martin Belam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know why it seems to be Flash in particular that brings this out in folk. I can tell you that it is no different on the continent either - I spent a very entertaining meeting here in Austria the other week facing exactly the same The

Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Dave Crossland
On 05/12/06, Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It wasn't till I met Aral Balkan and Niqui Merret at BarCampLondon that I started to accept that my views of Flash were very much old fashioned. The professional is the man who stays put - The Medium is the Massage, McLuhan, 1969 ;p Flash

Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Dave Crossland
On 05/12/06, Luke Dicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I swear to god if I have to zap that damned mosquito one more time to make my PC stop making stupid insect noises... https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/433/ -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To

Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Dave Crossland
On 05/12/06, Luke Dicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wrote a long thing in reply to this, but it all boils down to : access to people's software is a privilege not a right. Sorry. But there you go. Please post it - I can't really make sense of this :-) -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the

Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Dave Crossland
On 05/12/06, Luke Dicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And this would be where the zealotry comes in. Why are you calling me a zealot? -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit

Re: [backstage] Mozilla interview and Backstage Schwag preview

2006-12-05 Thread Dave Crossland
On 05/12/06, Laurence Samuels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it's time you lot stop all these. If you want to continue these rants, do it privately to yourselves, and not to the list. Your rants contribute no knowledge. Please stop. You can ignore my emails? :-) In general, I think the

Re: [backstage] FW: BBC doesn't get web video

2006-12-09 Thread Dave Crossland
. For Flash in particular, the GNU Project's Flash Player, Gnash, willbe able to play all Flash videos on its next release in the spring, Ijust heard: -- Forwarded message --From: Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: 09-Dec-2006 10:45Subject: Gnash Video Codecs?To: gnash@gnu.org Hi

Re: [backstage] democracyplayer

2006-12-18 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi Nic! I'm glad to see that Ian is recommending Free Software and that you took the time to check it out - Thanks, and cheers Ian :-) On 17/12/06, Nic James Ferrier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When is auntie going to be publishing feeds so I can see the headlines from the beeb in

Re: [backstage] What would you ask Lawrence Lessig?

2007-01-20 Thread Dave Crossland
On 08/01/07, Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if you had one question for Lawrence Lessig, what would you ask him??? [3] If he's so big into all this free stuff, how come he uses a Mac? ;-) -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please

Re: [backstage] What would you ask Lawrence Lessig?

2007-01-22 Thread Dave Crossland
On 20/01/07, Jonathan Chetwynd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 20 Jan 2007, at 16:59, Dave Crossland wrote: On 08/01/07, Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if you had one question for Lawrence Lessig, what would you ask him??? [3] If he's so big into all this free stuff, how come he uses

Re: [backstage] DRM

2007-01-25 Thread Dave Crossland
On 25/01/07, Nic James Ferrier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you think those of us who aren't content should complain more? I complain sometimes but mostly the reaction from people here is sorry - it is like it is - get over it I don't see any point complaining given that. Given hdkeys.com

Re: [backstage] RE: [backstage] £1.2 billion question (or RE: [backstage] BBC Bias??? Click and Torrents)

2007-01-29 Thread Dave Crossland
On 29/01/07, James Cridland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In most cases, the broadcaster has negotiated limited The distributor's limited rights have been extended in the opposite direction to where distribution technology has taken us. rights in a limited time-frame and a limited territory to

Re: [backstage] RE: [backstage] £1.2 billion question (or RE: [backstage] BBC Bias??? Click and Torrents)

2007-01-30 Thread Dave Crossland
On 29/01/07, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I forwarded my reply to an old friend, Miles Metcalfe More interesting comments from Miles: Never in the history of creative product have rights holders contemplated or been allowed to get away with restrictions against the affordances

Re: [backstage] RE: [backstage] £1.2 billion question (or RE: [backstage] BBC Bias??? Click and Torrents)

2007-01-30 Thread Dave Crossland
On 30/01/07, James Cridland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/29/07, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 29/01/07, James Cridland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In most cases, the broadcaster has negotiated limited rights The distributor's limited rights have been extended in the opposite

Re: [backstage] RE: [backstage] £1.2 billion question (or RE: [backstage] BBC Bias??? Click and Torrents)

2007-01-31 Thread Dave Crossland
On 31/01/07, James Cridland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/30/07, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Metaphors that compare digital data to physical objects are almost always confusion. Agreed. :-) Stealing is stealing, copying is copying. Stealing is not copying. Not agreed

Re: [backstage] platform-agnostic approach to the iPlayer

2007-01-31 Thread Dave Crossland
On 31/01/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Trust has also asked the executive to adopt a platform-agnostic approach to the iPlayer. ... for example Apple Macs What about GNU+Linux users, who are reputedly a larger userbase than OS X users? :-) -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the

Re: [backstage] platform-agnostic approach to the iPlayer

2007-02-01 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi Richard! On 01/02/07, Richard P Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Technically speaking, I wonder whether others have thought about self destructive files? ... I will be very interested if such a management system already exists. Certain they do. Unfortunately, that they work is total

Re: [backstage] £1.2 billion question (or RE: [backstage] BBC Bias??? Click and Torrents)

2007-02-02 Thread Dave Crossland
On 02/02/07, J.P.Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What might be a fair price in, say, Russia, might be ridiculously cheap here and unbearaby expensive in Vietnam. Current example: www.allofmp3.com is a licensed mp3 downloads business - licensed in Russia - that is ridiculously cheap compared to

Re: [backstage] BBC Trust reaches Provisional Conclusions on BBC on-demand proposals

2007-02-02 Thread Dave Crossland
On 02/02/07, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Surely the whole point of DVD regions is that it was a non-legal way of implementing the ability to restrict international free trade. That's right, and this is summarised in the memorable phrase, code is law :-) And it's the same with

Re: [backstage] BBC Trust reaches Provisional Conclusions on BBC on-demand proposals

2007-02-02 Thread Dave Crossland
On 01/02/07, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: offer very little on demand, or use DRM - Tom L, the other week. Would you prefer DRMed content on Linux, or just the current video offerings? I'd like all of it in a 'free' format right now please isn't possible, at least not right now.

Re: [backstage] platform-agnostic approach to the iPlayer

2007-02-02 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi Richard! On 02/02/07, Richard P Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, it was a mistake on my part that I hit reply and the previous email didn't end up on the list. Apologies. I hope you'll post it on list, and I'll post my reply :-) As I said at the beginning, it will be interesting to

Re: [backstage] platform-agnostic approach to the iPlayer

2007-02-05 Thread Dave Crossland
On 04/02/07, Matthew Cashmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this not a step in the right direction? http://creativearchive.bbc.co.uk/ The CA strongly suggested that the BBC might provide leadership in the Free Culture community. However, I recently saw IFTV's http://blip.tv/file/138568 (IFTV

Re: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] £1.2 billion question (or RE: [backstage] BBC Bias??? Click and Torrents)

2007-02-05 Thread Dave Crossland
On 05/02/07, David Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.bleep.com do FLAC FLAC is Free Lossless Audio Compression, a great free software audio format. To be clear, I am not against people charging money for distributing music; I am against people distributing music in proprietary

Re: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] £1.2 billion question (or RE: [backstage] BBC Bias??? Click and Torrents)

2007-02-06 Thread Dave Crossland
On 06/02/07, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It will be interesting in a few years time once a few MP3 players have died, and people have had chance to lose their entire music collection in spectacular fashion due to hard disk failures and so on. This will only be a problem for people

Re: [backstage] platform-agnostic approach to the iPlayer

2007-02-08 Thread Dave Crossland
On 06/02/07, Richard P Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We also know that the BBC has content that they own 100% of the copyright. This is, apparently, not the case at all for the majority of existing records. However, moving forward, I see no reason why the BBC cannot be clear that it is

Re: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] £1.2 billion question (or RE: [backstage] BBC Bias??? Click and Torrents)

2007-02-08 Thread Dave Crossland
On 06/02/07, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 06/02/07, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And yet it's still used... Doesn't that say something? It says that record execs are stupid, but we all knew that already. I was going more for a it might be broken by some, but

Re: [backstage] platform-agnostic approach to the iPlayer

2007-02-08 Thread Dave Crossland
On 31/01/07, Colin Moorcraft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It establishes a desirable goal - platform agnosticism - without constraining how that is achieved. It is also complete obliviousness to reality. In fact, Steve Job's first blog post at http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughtsonmusic/ is

Re: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] £1.2 billion question (or RE: [backstage] BBC Bias??? Click and Torrents)

2007-02-08 Thread Dave Crossland
On 08/02/07, Tim Thornton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 06/02/07, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 06/02/07, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And yet it's still used... Doesn't that say something? It says that record execs are stupid, but we all knew that

Re: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] £1.2 billion question (or RE: [backstage] BBC Bias??? Click and Torrents)

2007-02-08 Thread Dave Crossland
On 08/02/07, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was going more for a it might be broken by some, but it's good enough for 'purpose'. And what is that purpose, exactely? The purpose of being good enough to satisfy the people that own the rights to the content Satisfy the rights

Re: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] £1.2 billion question (or RE: [backstage] BBC Bias??? Click and Torrents)

2007-02-08 Thread Dave Crossland
On 08/02/07, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The purpose of being good enough to satisfy the people that own the rights to the content - and therefore being able to release the content in this manner. I also forgot to say: You implicitly elevate the people that own the rights to

Re: [backstage] DRM and hwardware attitudes

2007-02-11 Thread Dave Crossland
On 11/02/07, Michael Sparks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ignoring the DRM usecase or restricting your computer scenarios, having a secure location for helping check system integrity and protecting the contents of your harddrive, is useful. Sure. When you lose the ability to sign things yourself,

Re: [backstage] DRM and hwardware attitudes

2007-02-11 Thread Dave Crossland
On 11/02/07, Tim Thornton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've just reread one of RMS' musings on treacherous computing, and some of what he describes is terrible. But that's not what is on offer! If it was designed to stop your computer from functioning as a general-purpose computer why can I

Re: [backstage] platform-agnostic approach to the iPlayer

2007-02-11 Thread Dave Crossland
On 11/02/07, Tom Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Desert Island Discs ... Why no podcast? Estate of Roy Plumley owns the rights to the format, and isn't keen on on demand... Wow. How curious. Rights to the format means what, exactely? I can imagine Desert Island Discs might be a

Re: [backstage] DRM and hwardware attitudes

2007-02-11 Thread Dave Crossland
On 10/02/07, Tim Thornton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your machine will do what you tell it to. It's just that there are secrets you can't access. So if you tell it to access those secrets, and it won't, how is it doing what you tell it to, again? -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the

Re: [backstage] platform-agnostic approach to the iPlayer

2007-02-11 Thread Dave Crossland
On 11/02/07, George Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rights to the format means what, exactely? some (random ish) links Maybe this is a bit of a Rorschach effect, but these all seem to prop up my view that 'format rights' is hand waving.

Re: [backstage] platform-agnostic approach to the iPlayer

2007-02-11 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi Tom! On 12/02/07, Tom Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the honest answer is we don't know Thanks for explaining this clearly! What about new works though? Such as those currently podcast? :-) -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please

Re: the question of DRM necessity (Re: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC)

2007-02-13 Thread Dave Crossland
On 13/02/07, Nic James Ferrier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: either we're going to get some kind of DRM or rights holders are going to be a less rich overall. DRM doesn't halt file sharing, and for those who it does restrict from sharing, it breaks the BBC's Web Principle #1: Build web products

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2007-02-13 Thread Dave Crossland
On 13/02/07, Kim Plowright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Yep - the BBC doesn't even own the Daleks...) The BBC owns *half* the daleks - specifically, the look and visual identity. The estate of Terry Nation owns their behaviour. So - if you want to use a picture of a dalek, you approach the BBC.

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2007-02-13 Thread Dave Crossland
On 13/02/07, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rubbish, the BBC could have had their cake and eaten it just by threatening to tell the content providers to shove off. The rights holders want their material on the BBC, probably more than the BBC wants any particular piece

Re: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] £1.2 billion question (or RE: [backstage] BBC Bias??? Click and Torrents)

2007-02-13 Thread Dave Crossland
On 08/02/07, Tim Thornton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 08/02/07, Dave Crossland wrote: On 08/02/07, Tim Thornton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deterring the general public from blatant file-sharing. It fails at this purpose. I disagree. It fails at preventing all of the public from sharing

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2007-02-13 Thread Dave Crossland
On 09/02/07, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: its deemed 'good enough' for the general public (the vast, vast majority of which just want to watch Eastenders/Dragons Den/whatever the next day). The vast, vast majority of the general public have no problems using the regular

Re: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] £1.2 billion question (or RE: [backstage] BBC Bias??? Click and Torrents)

2007-02-13 Thread Dave Crossland
On 09/02/07, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The purpose of being good enough to satisfy the people that own the rights to the content - and therefore being able to release the content in this manner. You implicitly elevate the people that own the rights to the content above the

Re: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] £1.2 billion question (or RE: [backstage] BBC Bias??? C

2007-02-13 Thread Dave Crossland
On 13/02/07, Kim Plowright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My understanding is that Thanks for taking the time to explain :-) - the writer writes the script, which is subject to the usual literary copyright rules - the contract writers are employed under is some kind of a

Re: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC

2007-02-13 Thread Dave Crossland
On 13/02/07, David McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If this is going to be a (semi-)regular occurrence, could we get a real RSS feed for it? Yes, I'd be in favour of that. I also note that its been published in the free software, open standard, cross platform ogg vorbis format as well as

Re: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC

2007-02-14 Thread Dave Crossland
On 14/02/07, David McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Indeed, this seems particularly pointless when I can simply point my desk antenna at the Crystal Palace transmitter and record the 20Mbaud H.264 1080p stream being broadcast in clear. This is the kind of thing I think the BBC should be

Re: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC

2007-02-14 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi Tom! On 14/02/07, Tom Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Indeed, this seems particularly pointless when I can simply point my desk antenna at the Crystal Palace transmitter and record the 20Mbaud H.264 1080p stream being broadcast in clear. This is the kind of thing I think the BBC

Re: [backstage] platform-agnostic approach to the iPlayer

2007-02-14 Thread Dave Crossland
On 09/02/07, Tom Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if you want the BBC to move on from being a broadcaster (which it looks to me like you do!), then engage in the wider political debate about media policy. I'm sorry, not being an industry insider nor experienced politically, I don't really

[backstage] [DRM] Macrovision response to Jobs' Thoughts On Music

2007-02-18 Thread Dave Crossland
http://daringfireball.net/2007/02/macrovision_translation Classic :-) -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive:

Re: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC

2007-02-18 Thread Dave Crossland
On 18/02/07, James Cridland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's possible for all our podcasts to be produced in Ogg Vorbis automatically, too. ... Ultimately, no organisation can spend time servicing 0.01% of people without losing focus for the 99.99% of people. The automation means that you

Re: [backstage] platform-agnostic approach to the iPlayer

2007-02-18 Thread Dave Crossland
On 18/02/07, James Cridland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/15/07, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's the point, then? Well, the point of the BBC is that, by informing, educating and entertaining everyone in the UK, the population of the UK gains both individually

Re: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC

2007-02-20 Thread Dave Crossland
On 20/02/07, John Wesley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're using Creative Commons Attribution 2.0 - details here Why not the new version of the Attribution license? ( http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.5/ ) Is there a bit difference? No, because you can upgrade CC licenses to the latest

Re: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC

2007-02-20 Thread Dave Crossland
On 20/02/07, Gordon Joly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 15:18 + 19/2/07, Matthew Cashmore wrote: Hi Gordon - nope an honest as you like Creative Commons Licence - no BBC fudge at all. I was thinking of the Creative Archive Licence which is a BBC fudge. I'm not sure why you'd think this, or

Re: [backstage] [DRM] Macrovision response to Jobs' Thoughts On Music

2007-02-20 Thread Dave Crossland
On 19/02/07, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Going into a cinema with a camcorder... That cinema rips on peekvid.com are palatable isn't something HD salesmen and industry professionals seem to really understand, eheh :-) -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion

Re: [backstage] First BBC Backstage Podcast: DRM and the BBC

2007-02-21 Thread Dave Crossland
On 21/02/07, Gordon Joly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Dave. Now I understand. This is a major step Yes, Ian and Matthew are really showing how things should be done! :-) -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit

Re: [backstage] HD-DVD how DRM was defeated

2007-02-23 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi James! The poet, the artist, the sleuth - whoever sharpens our preception tends to be antisocial; rarely well-adjusted, he cannot go along with currents and trends. A strange bond often exists among antisocial type in their power to see environments as they really are. Professionalism merges

Re: [backstage] HD-DVD how DRM was defeated

2007-02-24 Thread Dave Crossland
On 24/02/07, Michael Sparks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I joined the backstage mailing list because the description is this: Finally, remember that the noise is the signal. You can't post too much. Deploy filters. - http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html -- Regards, Dave

Re: [backstage] A couple of things including Arrington

2007-02-26 Thread Dave Crossland
HI James! On 26/02/07, James Cridland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Cranky Geeks this week, one of the studio guests said how splendid oscartorrents.com was, The fact you deliberately linked to a torrent site - thus removing the chance of the oscar winners to earn money from their films,

Re: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?

2007-02-27 Thread Dave Crossland
On 27/02/07, John Drinkwater [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got similar comments from someone else off-list related to comments i've made here and on the BBC editors site. I'm sorry to hear that - I've been quite vocal about my non-mainstream opinions, and never received such comments. --

Re: [backstage] Ad Blocking

2007-02-27 Thread Dave Crossland
On 27/02/07, James Cridland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's akin to stealing chocolate from the store because ...because you seem to think that imaginary scenarios - like the possibility of taking action based on reading sales copy - can be treated like physical property, which is the only

Re: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?

2007-02-28 Thread Dave Crossland
On 28/02/07, Deirdre Harvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is there a way you could implement it that doesn't compromise the public at the expense of the people with the temporary monopoly rights? There is a hidden assumption here: that the monopolists are elevated to the same level of importance

Re: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?

2007-02-28 Thread Dave Crossland
On 28/02/07, Martin Belam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wouldn't care if I could only listen to it once and it just blew up Separating fools from their freedom is wrong. The fact that the fools participate voluntarily does not excuse it. DRM is a predatory scheme that creates subjugation. Even

Re: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?

2007-02-28 Thread Dave Crossland
On 28/02/07, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It never set out to make them happy: It set out to give them freedom. Who would have thought a conversation about the concept of people watching TopGear a couple of days late could end up at this melodramatic line? Who would have thought

Re: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?

2007-02-28 Thread Dave Crossland
On 28/02/07, Deirdre Harvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't think of a workable solution yeah, me neither. so is it ok to say to someone you can't have what you want because even though it's technically possible it is not ethically possible? I don't know. Please explain why permitting the

Re: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?

2007-02-28 Thread Dave Crossland
On 28/02/07, Mario Menti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In just about every definition, loss can mean being deprived of something, regardless of whether you physically possessed that thing in the first place. What loss are rights holders taking? -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk

Re: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?

2007-03-01 Thread Dave Crossland
On 01/03/07, Deirdre Harvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, how do you propose to fund a multi-million pound film in a different business model? I don't propose funding a multi-million pound film, so it is not my concern. OK, so this isn't about ethics then, it's about dogmatic laissez-faire

Re: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?

2007-03-01 Thread Dave Crossland
On 01/03/07, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But change is good. Is it. I think so. There are many rural communities than shun progress alot, and a few like the Amish that do a lot. I like change, because in change there is opportunity :-) I can't see Lord of the Rings ever getting

Re: [backstage] Percentage of License fee going towards DRM?

2007-03-01 Thread Dave Crossland
On 01/03/07, Deirdre Harvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But change is good. For someone so enamoured of accusing everyone of having hidden assumptions you are finding it pretty easy to ignore the huge assumption at the centre of your argument. Please explain what you think this is :-) I

Re: [backstage] BBC on YouTube

2007-03-02 Thread Dave Crossland
On 02/03/07, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Might interest some people here. Wow - awesome! Great to see the BBC providing footage in non-DRM formats! Congratulations! The Gnash project (http://gnash.lulu.com) is about to get flash video playback working, so the obstacle to free

[backstage] Cory Doctorow on BBC rights holders

2007-03-09 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi, Doctorow mentions the BBC DRM discussions, from the 14th minute of http://www.archive.org/download/OpenViewsCoryDoctorow/t1172602800.ogg -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit

[backstage] No DRM Sentiment from DMCA

2007-03-25 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi, From http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/1826/125/ : Bruce Lehman, who now heads the International Intellectual Property Institute ... explained the U.S. perspective in the early 1990s that led to the DMCA (ie. greater control though TPMs) ... acknowledged that our Clinton

Re: [backstage] EMI 'in no DRM deal'

2007-04-02 Thread Dave Crossland
On 02/04/07, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd imagine at the quantities that Apple buy bandwidth, the extra cost of delivering the larger file will be negligibly more. Therefore what is this price increase paying for? Potential lost revenue when more people put the unDRMed file on

Re: [backstage] EMI 'in no DRM deal'

2007-04-03 Thread Dave Crossland
On 03/04/07, Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Note that many CDs have some form of DRM on them. And that recently the publishers stopped putting DRM on CDs, because they've realised that hurting their customers only hurts them. -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion

Re: [backstage] EMI 'in no DRM deal'

2007-04-03 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi Jason! On 03/04/07, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, of course. However, I said more people put the unDRMed file on the torrents. The file without DRM will be easier to distribute, therefore perhaps more people will. The point about this Apple/EMI deal is that they have costed

Re: [backstage] EMI 'in no DRM deal'

2007-04-03 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi Tim! On 03/04/07, Tim Cowlishaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: in areas of the world where internet access is not yet as common as here, DRM is much more prevalent, as they are attempting to lock down the recorded music market *before* pervasive internet access becomes a problem for their

Re: [backstage] EMI 'in no DRM deal'

2007-04-03 Thread Dave Crossland
On 03/04/07, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Excellent article from The Register... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/04/03/emi_apple_drm_analysis/ Concluding line: Do we cease to pay artists completely, or do we move to a model where music is a service? Thanks to EMI and Apple,

Re: [backstage] EMI 'in no DRM deal'

2007-04-03 Thread Dave Crossland
On 03/04/07, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When does radio become a music distribution service? When it goes out over TCP/IP, because of http://streamripper.sourceforge.net People like last.fm are riding a fine line here right? I heard they aren't licensed.

Re: [backstage] EMI 'in no DRM deal'

2007-04-04 Thread Dave Crossland
On 03/04/07, David Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2007-04-03 at 13:15 +0100, Dave Crossland wrote: The point about this Apple/EMI deal is that they have costed out thecost of non-DRM. This is very significant, and something MilesMetcalfe suggested in the DRM Podcast. The BBC

Re: [backstage] Backstage Podcast number 2

2007-04-17 Thread Dave Crossland
On 16/04/07, Mr I Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So currently we have a couple of guests, however... 1. Who should we get on the podcast? Miles Metcalfe was imo the best participant in the first one :-) 2. What subjects would you like us to explorer in the podcast? The obvious stuff

Re: [backstage] Cridland heads to Beeb

2007-05-03 Thread Dave Crossland
On 03/05/07, James Cridland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a CC-licenced JavaScript animation library I'd love to hear about why Virgin is using Creative Commons to license software :-) -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit

Re: [backstage] Cridland heads to Beeb

2007-05-03 Thread Dave Crossland
On 03/05/07, Mario Menti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://tbites.com/2007/05/cridland-heads-to-beeb Congrats James! leaving after six years to work for the BBC, as Head of Future Media Technology, Audio Music Wow! That's awesome! I've always found James' posts here thoughtful, and wish him

Re: [backstage] London.pm / BBC Backstage Perl Teach-In Day

2007-05-08 Thread Dave Crossland
On 08/05/07, Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And they say that Perl is dead :-) No, just braindamaged. http://www.underlevel.net/jordan/erik-perl.txt etc ;) -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit

[backstage] www.FreeTheBBC.info

2007-06-11 Thread Dave Crossland
http://www.freethebbc.info :-) -- Regards, Dave - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/

Re: [backstage] www.FreeTheBBC.info

2007-06-12 Thread Dave Crossland
On 12/06/07, Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's the main point - the BBC is the wrong target here. The BBC is very much the right target. When the trend it to move awayfrom proprietary software and lock-in formats, the the BBC is fastbecoming one large advert for Microsoft. First

Re: [backstage] www.FreeTheBBC.info

2007-06-12 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi Michael! Thanks for this well thought out post, I enjoyed reading it :-) On 12/06/07, Michael Sparks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Much of the current world of production is, as I understand it, essentially gambling ... predicated on income coming in *after* production, not before. If as time

Re: [backstage] www.FreeTheBBC.info

2007-06-12 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi Andrew! Thanks for chipping in with this, it reflects very much what Tom Loosemore said in the Backstage DRM Podcast - that BBC DRM was a regrettable but neccessary evil, done only at the behest of the production companies who feed the BBC. On 12/06/07, Andrew Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [backstage] www.FreeTheBBC.info

2007-06-12 Thread Dave Crossland
On 12/06/07, Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Come on - how many of you have ever heard your mum exclaiming Oh, why does my content have to come with DRM??? My sister had an iPod. Her computer broke. She got a new one. She put the iPod in to copy the music back to the new computer.

Re: [backstage] www.FreeTheBBC.info

2007-06-12 Thread Dave Crossland
On 12/06/07, Tim Cowlishaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I, personally, won't be using any CC-NC licenses, and will not recommend them to others Hmmm... this was really my point - by reccomending magnatune's model of selling licences (for commercial re-use of artistic goods that are available

Re: [backstage] www.FreeTheBBC.info

2007-06-12 Thread Dave Crossland
On 12/06/07, Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No. That's either your sister not telling the whole truth (Did you click the button that says 'Wipe My iPod?), or Apple's crap software. The alert box your sister would have got actually says: The point isn't the alert box's wording.

Re: [backstage] www.FreeTheBBC.info

2007-06-12 Thread Dave Crossland
On 12/06/07, Matt Rink [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the problem is more not that people want rid of DRM just because they can, it's more that ... Alot of average (non-techie) users are buying iPods and using iTunes not realising that everything that what they have downloaded can only be

Re: [backstage] www.FreeTheBBC.info

2007-06-12 Thread Dave Crossland
On 12/06/07, Tom Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DRM MADE MY SISTER CRY. An all-too-common story Thanks for backing me up on this one :-) but (and I hate to say this) it only proves that you need to keep good backups and that the iPod's Music Mode is not a backup (without the use of

Re: [backstage] www.FreeTheBBC.info

2007-06-12 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi Jeremy! On 12/06/07, Jeremy Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - As Richard said..Listen Again will still be available Listen Again is in proprietary Real Media format. The BBC should adopt free formats like Ogg Vorbis. - We will also be working (or already are) on propositions for cable,

Re: [backstage] www.FreeTheBBC.info

2007-06-12 Thread Dave Crossland
On 12/06/07, Jeremy Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good luck to ITV.com btw . Has it launched yet ;) The new soaps section of http://www.itv.com has live streams and catch up service right now. Guess that came out this week. I'd say this was the first of its kind in the UK - gratis live

Re: [backstage] www.FreeTheBBC.info

2007-06-12 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi David! On 12/06/07, David Greaves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If however you say making a copy of this DVD for your own use (eg in case of damage) is OK but it is wrong to give it away or sell it. Please don't do that. Then you are actually treating the consumer as a reasonable person. No,

Re: [backstage] www.FreeTheBBC.info

2007-06-12 Thread Dave Crossland
On 12/06/07, Gordon Joly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I feel that GNU Copyleft is inferior to Creative Commons Licences. And GNU Copyleft is a virus. Creative Commons licenses use copyleft, and they recommend the GPL for software. http://creativecommons.org/license/cc-gpl -- Regards, Dave -

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