What about all the jobs that people have when they develop software that
is paid for and licensed? If the switch to free software were to
suddenly happen, would these people find themselves out of work?
This isn't a stab at anybody, it's just an observation that I'd like to
put in there. And
Matt Barber m...@progressive.org.uk wrote at 13:10 on 2009-02-11:
What about all the jobs that people have when they develop software that
is paid for and licensed? If the switch to free software were to
suddenly happen, would these people find themselves out of work?
This isn't a stab at
I can't see the ed sector taking on free software in any great volume
in the near future ... the issues around support and compatibility
(with workplaces and what parents have at home) are just too great.
If there was to be a shift away from MS/Windows, I think it is more
likely to be in
Under BSF SUN now runs Bradford local authority schools IT
From
http://blogs.sun.com/joehartley/entry/back_to_a_new_school
The computers were not conventional PCs, but _Sun Ray thin clients
http://www.sun.com/sunray/index.jsp%20_. Sun Ray clients enable
virtualized desktop sessions to run on a
I'm glad you pointed this out. There are more obviously. Why is this
discussion operating like there aren't entire governments, schools and
nations already moving to or running open source? Andalusia (Guadlinex),
Extremadura (gnuLinEx), Madrid (MAX) in Spain have had their own
distributions for
For the past two years, the Ile-de-France region which includes Paris
has distributed 200,000 USB keys with free open source software to
students of 450 secondary schools each September.
The gcompris project (= j'ai compris = I understood) for young
students is available for all platforms in over
³Microsoft offers the OS and Office at extremely competitive prices to
schools. I have heard it quoted as being around £5 per license for Office.²
It is cheaper but not that cheap...
For example:
MS Office single license = £43 + £25 Software assurance
Windows Server Standard (Single License)
On 10 Feb 2009, at 09:23, Alun Rowe wrote:
“Microsoft offers the OS and Office at extremely competitive prices
to schools. I have heard it quoted as being around £5 per license
for Office.”
It is cheaper but not that cheap...
At Glasgow University it used to be nearly that cheap -
I was basing it on purchasing a single copy. Purchasing a site wide license
for say 500 desktops would see significant savings.
The Home/Student edition is cheaper but that's not for schools to use, it's
for the students to have on their own laptops which they aren't allowed to
connect to the
The cost of school licences is a drop in the ocean compared to the cost of
lifetime subscription. Microsoft may be many things, but they aren't
stupid..!
Phil
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Fearghas McKay fm-li...@st-kilda.orgwrote:
On 10 Feb 2009, at 09:23, Alun Rowe wrote:
Microsoft
On 10 Feb 2009, at 09:51, Alun Rowe wrote:
I was basing it on purchasing a single copy. Purchasing a site wide
license
for say 500 desktops would see significant savings.
Which was Adam's point.
The Home/Student edition is cheaper but that's not for schools to
use, it's
for the
On 10/02/2009 10:24, Fearghas McKay fm-li...@st-kilda.org wrote:
I was basing it on purchasing a single copy. Purchasing a site wide
license
for say 500 desktops would see significant savings.
Which was Adam's point.
Indeed, the figures I included on the first email were just an
If the home/school copy works out at £33 each, you might as well look at
purchasing from www.theultimatesteal.com
Get office ultimate 2007 for £38.95 - I believe this is the second year
they've done it now as I took advantage of it last year as a student. It
certainly makes it a lot more
On 10 Feb 2009, at 10:41, Lee Stone wrote:
Get office ultimate 2007 for £38.95 - I believe this is the second
year they've done it now as I took advantage of it last year as a
student. It certainly makes it a lot more affordable.
That would mean running Windaes and me having to support it
Interesting as all these discussions are schools will have what's given
to them and supported under BSF monoploy IT provision (see
http://www.edugeek.net/wiki/index.php/List_of_awarded_ICT_contracts)
unless there is resistance and/or failure (see
On 10 Feb 2009, at 12:20, Neil Aberdeen wrote:
Interesting as all these discussions are schools will have what's
given to them and supported under BSF monoploy IT provision (see http://www.edugeek.net/wiki/index.php/List_of_awarded_ICT_contracts)
unless there is resistance and/or failure
Seen this in my mailbox a few times today, sure you will all find this
interesting...
We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to Make the primary
operating system used in state schools free and open source
http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/nonMSschools/
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Mm. Very interesting. If something as simple as a petition will make
Windows free and open source, why has no-one thought of it before?
Why do the idiots who start these petitions never have any kind of
grasp of grammar? Or proof reading?
Would you take anyone seriously who turned up on your
Seen this in my mailbox a few times today, sure you will all
find this interesting...
We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to Make the
primary operating system used in state schools free and open source
http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/nonMSschools/
I find this idea
He isn't advocating making Windows open source, the petition states that
the primary OS used in schools should be a free and open source
alternative to windows.
Not idiotic at all. I've signed up.
Phil
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Richard Lockwood richard.lockw...@gmail.com
wrote:
Mm.
Chris, your points are very interesting, and I wonder if you've been in
touch with the team who are behind Open Labs: Learning?
http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/openlearning/
a
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Christopher Woods
chris...@infinitus.co.ukwrote:
Seen this in my mailbox a few times
2009/2/9 Richard Lockwood richard.lockw...@gmail.com:
If something as simple as a petition will make
Windows free and open source, why has no-one thought of it before?
That is not what the petition is about! :-)
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Interesting that OLPC has just gone OS!
Also,:
www.opensourceschools.org.uk
http://www.osor.eu/news/uk-open-source-is-core-to-education
http://www.141.co.uk/?p=164
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote:
2009/2/9 Richard Lockwood richard.lockw...@gmail.com:
If
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Christopher Woods chris...@infinitus.co.uk
Transforming a Windows school to an Ubuntu school is nigh on impossible to
achieve unless you provide a year's warning, gradually phase out use of all
Windows-only software over the course of the year, implement the
Transforming a Windows school to an Ubuntu school is nigh on
impossible to achieve unless you provide a year's warning,
gradually phase out use of all Windows-only software over the
course of the year, implement the massive overhaul and
platform transition during the holidays and then
Maybe I'm a poor deluded misguided fool who needs showing the error of my
ways?
Lorks, far from it! I think we'd need a lot of people like you if the
government does try and introduce open source into schools. These are really
important problems that mustn't be overlooked.
I'll assume for the
2009/2/9 Phil Whitehouse phil.whiteho...@gmail.com:
Maybe I'm a poor deluded misguided fool who needs showing the error of my
ways?
We're training our kids to give money to vendors for their entire lives.
And, more importantly IMO, to not consider the value of freedom in
relation to the parts
And yet they will end up on a newer Microsoft operating
system at some
point. ;-)
Right - if they really stayed put with what they have, then
they'd still be using Acorns. Which probably taught kids more
about computer science than the XP machines in use today ;-)
So, rather than
Although this rant is impassioned and detailed it's almost comically
misinformed. What's happening in education IT(C) is the imposition of a
£45bn corporate cash cow called Building Schools for the Future (BSF) -
through which the government is shamefully entering into yet more PFI
On Monday 09 February 2009 17:32:58 Christopher Woods wrote:
The main sticking point for most schools is the can we help students
if... question.
This is part of the issue that some people forget when they put their personal
politics before the needs of children at school. If a tool undermines
On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 04:12:09PM -, Christopher Woods wrote:
Aside from the fact that the suite of *de facto* software the students would
use day in and day would need to be the same, in some cases the bloody
curriculum demanded that particular software be used, so your hands were
tied.
Although this rant is impassioned and detailed it's almost comically
misinformed. What's happening in education IT(C) is the imposition of a
£45bn corporate cash cow called Building Schools for the Future (BSF) -
through which the government is shamefully entering into yet more PFI
relationships.
Sorry for those who can't quite figure out what I'm quoting and what I'm
saying myself in my previous email, when I converted to plaintext I forgot
to add in the appropriate quote marks.
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Who cares if
MS is de facto in the school setting if it serves its purpose?=20
Its purpose (as someone else pointed out quite eloquently) is to teach
kids. I don't know how well MS software teaches anything other than how
to use the previous version of MS software, a skill that at best
I allege that the advantages of switching to Free
Software *can* outweigh the costs (sic) of support, teaching, and third
party staff upgrading their skills to more open, flexible and studiable
systems. ;-)
I like the use of the word allege. Can you demonstrate it?
Cheers,
Rich.
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Richard Lockwood wrote:
I allege that the advantages of switching to Free
Software *can* outweigh the costs (sic) of support, teaching, and third
party staff upgrading their skills to more open, flexible and studiable
systems. ;-)
I like the use of the word allege. Can you demonstrate it?
Richard Lockwood wrote:
I allege that the advantages of switching to Free
Software *can* outweigh the costs (sic) of support, teaching, and third
party staff upgrading their skills to more open, flexible and studiable
systems. ;-)
I like the use of the word allege. Can you demonstrate
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