Re: [backstage] Browser Stats

2007-04-09 Thread Gordon Joly
At 19:08 +0100 8/4/07, James Cridland wrote: On 4/8/07, Gordon Joly mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OpenBSD 1 visit Does that mean the user never came back!!?!??!?! It means that user never came back that month, yes. Possibly they visited on March 31st, and have been

Re: [backstage] Browser Stats

2007-04-08 Thread Gordon Joly
At 20:36 +0100 6/4/07, James Cridland wrote: I'm coming late to this discussion, as always, but if you're interested, here's the information from http://virginradio.co.ukvirginradio.co.uk (sitewide). Visits by operating system in March 2007 (compared with November 2005) Windows: 96.39% (was

Re: [backstage] Browser Stats

2007-04-08 Thread James Cridland
On 4/8/07, Gordon Joly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OpenBSD 1 visit Does that mean the user never came back!!?!??!?! It means that user never came back that month, yes. Possibly they visited on March 31st, and have been visiting every day since! ;) -- http://james.cridland.net/

Re: [backstage] Browser Stats

2007-04-06 Thread James Cridland
I'm coming late to this discussion, as always, but if you're interested, here's the information from virginradio.co.uk (sitewide). Visits by operating system in March 2007 (compared with November 2005) Windows: 96.39% (was 97.45%) Macintosh: 2.87% (was 1.75%) Linux: 0.48% (was 0.55%) Unknown:

RE: [backstage] Browser Stats

2007-04-02 Thread Brian Butterworth
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Bowyer Sent: 31 March 2007 19:38 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Browser Stats On 31/03/07, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 31/03/07, Peter Bowyer

RE: [backstage] Browser Stats

2007-04-02 Thread Andrew Bowden
It's certainly doesn't work as an argument against misrepresenting statistics, but as they only person I know who did double-maths-with-statistics for A-level, I guess I am uniquely injured! It takes a certain kind of sadist to do that. It takes another to then take it to university

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Re: [backstage] Browser Stats

2007-03-31 Thread Andy
On 30/03/07, Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The next round number above 0.4% is 0.5%. Yes, but I was stating what I would have expected the value to be, not stating the value presented with some rounding. On a sample of visitors to BBC home page - an inflation of over 1000% (as

Re: [backstage] Browser Stats

2007-03-31 Thread Peter Bowyer
On 31/03/07, Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then maybe there is something to your conspiracy theory. Seem as the BBC's stats disagree with the BBC news articles. Something is not quite right wouldn't you agree? Either: 1. Browser stats are inaccurate 2. BBC news article is wrong 3. The BBC is

Re: [backstage] Browser Stats

2007-03-31 Thread vijay chopra
On 31/03/07, Peter Bowyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 31/03/07, Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then maybe there is something to your conspiracy theory. Seem as the BBC's stats disagree with the BBC news articles. Something is not quite right wouldn't you agree? Either: 1. Browser stats are

Re: [backstage] Browser Stats

2007-03-31 Thread Peter Bowyer
On 31/03/07, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 31/03/07, Peter Bowyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 31/03/07, Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then maybe there is something to your conspiracy theory. Seem as the BBC's stats disagree with the BBC news articles. Something is not

Re: [backstage] Browser Stats

2007-03-30 Thread Kirk Northrop
Andy wrote: I can see how it got Netscape, FireFox is derived from the Netscape code base, but how it got from the word Linux into the word Mac I don't know. And this was for a user agent that was stating it's OS as Linux. Simple - Not Windows probably means Mac OS. In a tiny amount of cases

Re: [backstage] Browser Stats

2007-03-30 Thread Matthew Lamont
I think that it depends on what your demographic is. If you are talking about people who barely know how to switch on a computer, then you are going to get windows users. For people who actually use a computer for what it is intended, then, for instance in the scientific community, 50%

RE: [backstage] Browser Stats

2007-03-30 Thread Kim Plowright
For people who actually use a computer for what it is intended, Wow. That's quite some statement. I'd compose an elegant riposte if I didn't have to go off to IKEA post haste, because I've just noticed on their website that the chair and desk I want to set up my desktop PC is in, and I

RE: [backstage] Browser Stats

2007-03-30 Thread Brian Butterworth
I think that it depends on what your demographic is. If you are talking about people who barely know how to switch on a computer, then you are going to get windows users. For people who actually use a computer for what it is intended, then, for instance in the scientific community, 50%

RE: [backstage] Browser Stats

2007-03-30 Thread Gordon Joly
At 10:00 +0100 30/3/07, Jason Cartwright wrote: bbc.co.uk uses ActiveX Where? Hm, my mistake it was on a BBC site but not under the bbc.co.uk domain, I could look for other examples on bbc.co.uk but for now this will suffice.

Re: [backstage] Browser Stats

2007-03-30 Thread Andy
On 29/03/07, Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even 10% is significantly higher than 0.4% I was using 10% as an upper limit. If the true value was over 5% I would not be surprised. The next round number above 5% is 10% and over that would surprise me. No - this is not evidence.

Re: [backstage] Browser Stats

2007-03-30 Thread Richard Lockwood
On 3/30/07, Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 29/03/07, Richard Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even 10% is significantly higher than 0.4% I was using 10% as an upper limit. If the true value was over 5% I would not be surprised. The next round number above 5% is 10% and over that would

Re: [backstage] Browser Stats

2007-03-30 Thread Richard Lockwood
Oh and before I go you used the term significant portion, how many would be considered significant? No, I didn't. I used the phrase significant PROportion. I believe Significant Portion is either a pub rock band from Kings Lynn, or some kind of euphemism. Less frivolously, you stated that

Re: [backstage] Browser Stats

2007-03-30 Thread Kirk Northrop
Matthew Lamont wrote: I think that it depends on what your demographic is. If you are talking about people who barely know how to switch on a computer, then you are going to get windows users. For people who actually use a computer for what it is intended, then, for instance in the

RE: [backstage] Browser Stats

2007-03-30 Thread Christopher Woods
- to the point where I can consciously feel my productivity worsening as a result. That hacks me off. -Original Message- From: Matthew Lamont [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 March 2007 15:03 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Browser Stats I think that it depends

Re: [backstage] Browser Stats

2007-03-29 Thread Andy
Frank Wales said: Admittedly, I've only met Jem a few times, but I feel I ought to defend his honour here by pointing out that I don't believe he's the misleading type. I apologise, I did not mean it as a personal attack. Sorry. I can't recall the last time I was blocked from content on

Re: [backstage] Browser Stats

2007-03-29 Thread Richard Lockwood
Richard Lockwood said: Andy - ordinary people do not generally use Linux as a desktop OS. Is there such a thing as an ordinary person? Any way my point was that the true figure may not be quite as low as stated. I did not say it would be greatly higher, certainly not higher than WindowsXP (by a

RE: [backstage] Browser Stats

2007-03-29 Thread Gordon Joly
At 14:17 +0100 29/3/07, Brian Butterworth wrote: To summarise: Linux is truly intelligent design but no-one uses it as a desktop OS, or if they do they are too ashamed to connect to the internet and if they do they fake it as a Windows machine? Brian Butterworth Sorry, off topic. Gordo

Re: [backstage] Browser Stats

2007-03-28 Thread Richard Lockwood
On 3/27/07, Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 26/03/07, Jeremy Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 0.4% of users at the time used a Linux operating system ;) That's not entirely true is it? Please do not try to mislead people. What is more likely is: 0.4% of users WHERE DETECTED AS using a Linux

RE: [backstage] Browser Stats

2007-03-28 Thread Jason Cartwright
] On Behalf Of Andy Sent: 27 March 2007 17:19 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Browser Stats On 26/03/07, Jeremy Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 0.4% of users at the time used a Linux operating system ;) That's not entirely true is it? Please do not try to mislead people. What

RE: [backstage] Browser Stats

2007-03-28 Thread Andrew Bowden
1) the BBC stats are biased, the site is target at Windows users and on certain pages blocks users of other OSes That's not my experience of it; my usual browser is Firefox on Gentoo Linux, and I can't recall the last time I was blocked from content on bbc.co.uk. Ubuntu user with

Re: [backstage] Browser Stats

2007-03-28 Thread gareth rushgrove
would be right with the world :-) J -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Sent: 27 March 2007 17:19 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Browser Stats On 26/03/07, Jeremy Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 0.4% of users

RE: [backstage] Browser Stats

2007-03-28 Thread Kim Plowright
. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Sent: 27 March 2007 17:19 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Browser Stats On 26/03/07, Jeremy Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 0.4% of users at the time used a Linux operating system

RE: [backstage] Browser Stats

2007-03-28 Thread Brian Butterworth
if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kim Plowright Sent: 28 March 2007 11:04 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Browser Stats If you read Martin Belam (hello

Re: [backstage] Browser Stats

2007-03-28 Thread Martin Belam
count any users that had used both sites. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Sent: 27 March 2007 17:19 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Browser Stats On 26/03/07, Jeremy Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 0.4

Re: [backstage] Browser Stats

2007-03-28 Thread vijay chopra
On 28/03/07, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suspect you already know this, and perhaps your question is rhetorical. I'll answer it anyhow :-). Some browsers had different interpretations of the standards and render pages radically differently from each other. Testing to the

RE: [backstage] Browser Stats

2007-03-28 Thread Jason Cartwright
://www.flickr.com/photos/jasoncartwright/377686574/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of vijay chopra Sent: 28 March 2007 12:35 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Browser Stats On 28/03/07, Jason Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED

RE: [backstage] Browser Stats

2007-03-28 Thread Kim Plowright
Is it possible that these stats could be provided automatically, say on a daily basis so it can be used to track the use of browsers and platforms. No. Slightly longer answer - the stats system is problematic, and doesn't provide easy ways to route this kind of thing externally. It's under

Re: [backstage] Browser Stats

2007-03-28 Thread Gordon Joly
What is more likely is: 0.4% of users WHERE DETECTED AS using a Linux operating system AT THE TIME THEY VISITED THE BBC SITE. Cam we assume that global stats (of random websites) show a higher number of Linux web clients that this, such as wget and telnet www.example.com 80? YMMV, Gordo

RE: [backstage] Browser Stats

2007-03-27 Thread Kim Plowright
Hey, we just *did* publish it! :) I'll try and remember to send an update out every month or so, when I'm noodling through our stats system. Thank you very much to everyone for sharing this data - it really is very interesting. And I second the request for the BBC to publish this data (just

Re: [backstage] Browser Stats

2007-03-27 Thread Andy
On 26/03/07, Jeremy Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 0.4% of users at the time used a Linux operating system ;) That's not entirely true is it? Please do not try to mislead people. What is more likely is: 0.4% of users WHERE DETECTED AS using a Linux operating system AT THE TIME THEY VISITED

Re: [backstage] Browser Stats

2007-03-27 Thread Frank Wales
Andy wrote: On 26/03/07, Jeremy Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 0.4% of users at the time used a Linux operating system ;) That's not entirely true is it? Please do not try to mislead people. Admittedly, I've only met Jem a few times, but I feel I ought to defend his honour here by pointing

RE: [backstage] Browser Stats

2007-03-26 Thread Kim Plowright
Just for fun: the february data reworked to show the different flavours of IE at their appropriate % point. There's not much difference between Safari (all versions) and IE5.5 share. Again, I can't break out the different flavours of FF and Safari. Bear in mind this is % of PIs, not of users, so

Re: [backstage] Browser Stats

2007-03-26 Thread gareth rushgrove
Thanks Kim These are fab. Would be great if the BBC had somewhere where it published this information on a regular basis? While we're on the subject of browser testing, is anyone else using Yahoo's Graded Browser Support method? G On 26/03/07, Kim Plowright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just for

RE: [backstage] Browser Stats

2007-03-26 Thread Jeremy Stone
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Browser Stats Thanks Kim These are fab. Would be great if the BBC had somewhere where it published this information on a regular basis? While we're on the subject of browser testing, is anyone else using Yahoo's Graded Browser Support method? G

Re: [backstage] Browser Stats

2007-03-26 Thread Allan Jardine
Hello all, Fantastic information - this is very interesting indeed. Thanks to Kim for the bbc.co.uk information, Richard and Brain for their information and James for the virginradio.co.uk and the other sites. I think this allows us all to build up quite a clear picture of what the