Re: [backstage] Make the primary OS used in state schools FOSS

2009-02-10 Thread Alun Rowe
On 09/02/2009 23:15, Christopher Woods chris...@infinitus.co.uk wrote: unless some incredibly well-designed thin client solutions were brought to my attention (and then you're talking equivalent prices for thin clients as you would for regular MiniATX desktops). I'm not sure that a thin

Re: [backstage] Make the primary OS used in state schools FOSS

2009-02-10 Thread Phil Whitehouse
I think FOSS can have a huge future but the community need to think about user experience then it will be taken more seriously. FWIW I've just come back from FOSDEM (open source community event in Brussels), and there are plenty of open source projects now putting usability at the top of their

Re: [backstage] Make the primary OS used in state schools FOSS

2009-02-10 Thread Rob Myers
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Alun Rowe alun.r...@pentangle.co.uk wrote: //personal rant coming up... For any open source software (Linux for example) to really work on the network en mass we need to about user experience. Currently I've yet to see an attractive/user friendly piece of

Re: [backstage] Make the primary OS used in state schools FOSS

2009-02-10 Thread Alun Rowe
On 10/02/2009 09:36, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Alun Rowe alun.r...@pentangle.co.uk wrote: //personal rant coming up... For any open source software (Linux for example) to really work on the network en mass we need to about user experience.

RE: [backstage] Make the primary OS used in state schools FOSS

2009-02-10 Thread Gareth Davis
-Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Richard Smedley Sent: 09 February 2009 18:32 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Make the primary OS used in state schools FOSS PCs in schools

RE: [backstage] Make the primary OS used in state schools FOSS

2009-02-10 Thread Richard Smedley
On Mon, 2009-02-09 at 23:15 +, Christopher Woods wrote: different in its model, aiming itself as it does as a social enterprise for the voluntary and educational sectors. How many schools do you serve in your locality? (just curious...) Your model obviously works exceptionally well for

RE: [backstage] Make the primary OS used in state schools FOSS

2009-02-10 Thread Richard Smedley
A postscript: Anyone interested in helping to improve the IT situation in schools (through FOSS) may be interested in membership of Schoolforge-UK. http://groups.google.com/group/sf-uk-discuss/about The website contains many case studies, and the (low traffic) mailing list a number of

Re: [backstage] Make the primary OS used in state schools FOSS

2009-02-10 Thread Fearghas McKay
On 10 Feb 2009, at 17:57, Richard Smedley wrote: I'm suggesting 500 or 600 wholly new web apps, designed to cover the whole curriculum. A framework would be specified, and commissions given to *UK* developers - including bids from schools. Of course the EU won't let us do it, but there's

RE: [backstage] Make the primary OS used in state schools FOSS

2009-02-09 Thread Richard Smedley
On Mon, 2009-02-09 at 16:12 +, Christopher Woods wrote: Given that many schools' IT infrastructure development was so organic and self-funded throughout the 90s, they are now in the situation where it is almost completely impractical to start from scratch with a FOSS OS and FOSS software,

Re: [backstage] Make the primary OS used in state schools FOSS

2009-02-09 Thread Dave Crossland
2009/2/9 Richard Smedley r...@m6-it.org: curriculum areas - this can easily be delivered through 500 - 600 web apps. The whole curriculum. A small investment from government (less than 1% of the UK's annual school IT spend) would get all of these apps written. Released under the GNU GPL,

Re: [backstage] Make the primary OS used in state schools FOSS

2009-02-09 Thread Richard Smedley
On Mon, 2009-02-09 at 19:15 +, Dave Crossland wrote: 2009/2/9 Richard Smedley r...@m6-it.org: curriculum areas - this can easily be delivered through 500 - 600 web apps. The whole curriculum. A small investment from government (less than 1% of the UK's annual school IT spend) would get

Re: [backstage] Make the primary OS used in state schools FOSS

2009-02-09 Thread Dave Crossland
2009/2/9 Richard Smedley r...@m6-it.org: Good point. Although I had in mind putting the apps on the school's intranet server, in which case GPL would be adequate. However there would doubtless be a market for remote delivery. Affero is still important for intranets; The plain GPL does not

RE: [backstage] Make the primary OS used in state schools FOSS

2009-02-09 Thread Christopher Woods
How as a FOSS company are you going to maintain a well-staffed callout team and helpdesk if the software you are providing is essentially free? Why is that a problem? My companies have never had a problem charging for support for Free Software. All software needs support. You

RE: [backstage] Make the primary OS used in state schools FOSS

2009-02-09 Thread Christopher Woods
bits and bobs snipped Note I'm not affiliated with these groups, nor am I a teacher, just showing that working, LEA-or-bigger SaaS *is* being delivered because of that better resourcing. It warms the cockles of my very being to hear that some organisations can get it right :) I wonder how