RE: [backstage] BBC announces 3G mobile syndication trial with Orange, Vodafone and 3
> Perhaps backstage.bbc.co.uk could have the streams for the > purposes of a "technical trial" too? There's already been a technical trial with live streaming of BBC channels - the Multicast trial http://www.bbc.co.uk/multicast/ Can't have two trials doing pretty much the same thing. Would make a mockery of the system. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] BBC announces 3G mobile syndication trial with Orange, Vodafone and 3
Still, considering TMO have the best 3G network in the UK, and (imo) the best takeup - and selection - of flat-rate data packages, it seems a bit short-sighted to run these 'public trials' without including TMO as a carrier! Orange and Vodafone are ridiculously expensive data-wise, only 3 could be classed as a competitor with TM 3G-wise. Maybe I'm just jealous. ;) Still annoying that I've even been a member of the multicast trials for approaching a year now, and I've only ever managed to make the multicast streams actually WORK once - and that was in Halls, and then two weeks later they changed their network topology and multicast stopped working! And my ISP is stalling on multicast enablement (Be*) when they're one of the few ISPs who would actually properly benefit from a multicast-enabled network given their LLU infrastructure... Sigh. When the iPlayer is rolled out, will the mobile streams (and/or access to them) fall under the iP umbrella? I'd love to be able to authenticate with an iPlayer username which I've set up on my desktop client, then be able to watch mobile-formatted streams of the same channels via my mobile device - that'd make the morning commute so much less painful! Huge PITA to set up though :D > -Original Message- > From: Brian Butterworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 29 March 2007 14:03 > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > Subject: RE: [backstage] BBC announces 3G mobile syndication > trial with Orange, Vodafone and 3 > > Chris, > > I wouldn't worry about it, the service is going to be even > worse than the DAB service used by Virgin Mobile! > > Brian Butterworth > www.ukfree.tv > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher > > Woods > > Sent: 29 March 2007 13:51 > > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > > Subject: RE: [backstage] BBC announces 3G mobile syndication trial > > with Orange, Vodafone and 3 > > > > Oh for CRYING out loud - why not a partnership with T-Mobile? > > They have the best 3G HSDPA network in the UK! > > > > And I'm on T-Mobile! > > > > Typical. > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Brian Butterworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: 29 March 2007 11:46 > > > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > > > Subject: [backstage] BBC announces 3G mobile syndication > trial with > > > Orange, Vodafone and 3 > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2007/03 > > > _march/29/3g.s > > > html > > > > > > Can we have the BBC one, BBC THREE and (in particular) > BBC News 24 > > > streams online please? > > > > > > If you can stream them on a mobile, it would be useful if > > they could > > > be provided online in the same format (I mean, that's > what you are > > > doing > > > anyway...) > > > > > > Brian Butterworth > > > www.ukfree.tv > > > > > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > -- > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.20/737 - Release > > > Date: 28/03/2007 > > > 16:23 > > > > > > > > > - > > > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To > unsubscribe, > > > please visit > > > http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > > > Unofficial list archive: > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > > > > - > > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, > > please visit > > http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > > Unofficial list archive: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.20/737 - Release > > Date: 28/03/2007 16:23 > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.20/737 - Release > Date: 28/03/2007 > 16:23 > > > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To > unsubscribe, please visit > http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC announces 3G mobile syndication trial with Orange, Vodafone and 3
On 29/03/07, Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 3G technical trial. 12 months long. > it's public service, as Brian says. Nowt to do with BBC Worldwide. > > we don't have regulatory permission to broadcast BBC TV 24/7 > live on the open net until iPlayer public value test has been > approved by the BBC Trust (assuming they do indeed approve this). You don't have permission to carry adverts on BBC Worldwide service either, but that hasn't stopped this has it? http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=BBCWorldwide That's not broadcast live, is it. Which is what the must carry provision covers. Which I suspect you knew already. Sometimes I do wonder why we bother. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] BBC announces 3G mobile syndication trial with Orange, Vodafone and 3
> 3G technical trial. 12 months long. > it's public service, as Brian says. Nowt to do with BBC Worldwide. > > we don't have regulatory permission to broadcast BBC TV 24/7 > live on the open net until iPlayer public value test has been > approved by the BBC Trust (assuming they do indeed approve this). You don't have permission to carry adverts on BBC Worldwide service either, but that hasn't stopped this has it? http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=BBCWorldwide :-) Perhaps backstage.bbc.co.uk could have the streams for the purposes of a "technical trial" too? The reference, if anyone is interested, for the 'must-offer' and 'must-provide' is: http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2003/30021--i.htm#272 > > On 29/03/07, Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Chris, > > > > I wouldn't worry about it, the service is going to be even > worse than > > the DAB service used by Virgin Mobile! > > > > Brian Butterworth > > www.ukfree.tv > > > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher > > > Woods > > > Sent: 29 March 2007 13:51 > > > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > > > Subject: RE: [backstage] BBC announces 3G mobile > syndication trial > > > with Orange, Vodafone and 3 > > > > > > Oh for CRYING out loud - why not a partnership with T-Mobile? > > > They have the best 3G HSDPA network in the UK! > > > > > > And I'm on T-Mobile! > > > > > > Typical. > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: Brian Butterworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Sent: 29 March 2007 11:46 > > > > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > > > > Subject: [backstage] BBC announces 3G mobile syndication trial > > > > with Orange, Vodafone and 3 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2007/03 > > > > _march/29/3g.s > > > > html > > > > > > > > Can we have the BBC one, BBC THREE and (in particular) > BBC News 24 > > > > streams online please? > > > > > > > > If you can stream them on a mobile, it would be useful if > > > they could > > > > be provided online in the same format (I mean, that's > what you are > > > > doing > > > > anyway...) > > > > > > > > Brian Butterworth > > > > www.ukfree.tv > > > > > > > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > -- > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.20/737 - Release > > > > Date: 28/03/2007 > > > > 16:23 > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To > > > > unsubscribe, please visit > > > > http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > > > > Unofficial list archive: > > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > > > > > > - > > > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To > unsubscribe, > > > please visit > > > http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > > > Unofficial list archive: > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > > > > > > -- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.20/737 - Release > > > Date: 28/03/2007 16:23 > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.20/737 - Release Date: > > 28/03/2007 > > 16:23 > > > > > > - > > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, > > please visit > > http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > > Unofficial list archive: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > > > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To > unsubscribe, please visit > http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.20/737 - Release > Date: 28/03/2007 16:23 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.20/737 - Release Date: 28/03/2007 16:23 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC announces 3G mobile syndication trial with Orange, Vodafone and 3
3G technical trial. 12 months long. it's public service, as Brian says. Nowt to do with BBC Worldwide. we don't have regulatory permission to broadcast BBC TV 24/7 live on the open net until iPlayer public value test has been approved by the BBC Trust (assuming they do indeed approve this). On 29/03/07, Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Chris, I wouldn't worry about it, the service is going to be even worse than the DAB service used by Virgin Mobile! Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Christopher Woods > Sent: 29 March 2007 13:51 > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > Subject: RE: [backstage] BBC announces 3G mobile syndication > trial with Orange, Vodafone and 3 > > Oh for CRYING out loud - why not a partnership with T-Mobile? > They have the best 3G HSDPA network in the UK! > > And I'm on T-Mobile! > > Typical. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Brian Butterworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: 29 March 2007 11:46 > > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > > Subject: [backstage] BBC announces 3G mobile syndication trial with > > Orange, Vodafone and 3 > > > > > > > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2007/03 > > _march/29/3g.s > > html > > > > Can we have the BBC one, BBC THREE and (in particular) BBC News 24 > > streams online please? > > > > If you can stream them on a mobile, it would be useful if > they could > > be provided online in the same format (I mean, that's what you are > > doing > > anyway...) > > > > Brian Butterworth > > www.ukfree.tv > > > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.20/737 - Release > > Date: 28/03/2007 > > 16:23 > > > > > > - > > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, > > please visit > > http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > > Unofficial list archive: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To > unsubscribe, please visit > http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.20/737 - Release > Date: 28/03/2007 16:23 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.20/737 - Release Date: 28/03/2007 16:23 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] BBC announces 3G mobile syndication trial with Orange, Vodafone and 3
Chris, I wouldn't worry about it, the service is going to be even worse than the DAB service used by Virgin Mobile! Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Christopher Woods > Sent: 29 March 2007 13:51 > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > Subject: RE: [backstage] BBC announces 3G mobile syndication > trial with Orange, Vodafone and 3 > > Oh for CRYING out loud - why not a partnership with T-Mobile? > They have the best 3G HSDPA network in the UK! > > And I'm on T-Mobile! > > Typical. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Brian Butterworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: 29 March 2007 11:46 > > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > > Subject: [backstage] BBC announces 3G mobile syndication trial with > > Orange, Vodafone and 3 > > > > > > > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2007/03 > > _march/29/3g.s > > html > > > > Can we have the BBC one, BBC THREE and (in particular) BBC News 24 > > streams online please? > > > > If you can stream them on a mobile, it would be useful if > they could > > be provided online in the same format (I mean, that's what you are > > doing > > anyway...) > > > > Brian Butterworth > > www.ukfree.tv > > > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.20/737 - Release > > Date: 28/03/2007 > > 16:23 > > > > > > - > > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, > > please visit > > http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > > Unofficial list archive: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To > unsubscribe, please visit > http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.20/737 - Release > Date: 28/03/2007 16:23 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.20/737 - Release Date: 28/03/2007 16:23 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] BBC announces 3G mobile syndication trial with Orange, Vodafone and 3
The Communication Act 2003 strictly forbits the requirement of a payment to watch a live BBC TV channel. This is why the BBC one service on DAB radio is free-to-air, and why all BBC services are free on analogue and digital cable, and also on digital satellite too. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Cowlishaw Sent: 29 March 2007 12:45 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC announces 3G mobile syndication trial with Orange, Vodafone and 3 On 3/29/07, Brian Butterworth mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Tim, They can't be paying BBC Worldwide a penny, as it is strictly forbidden by the Communications Act 2003! Really? please do explain... I was under the impression that Worldwide were the rights-holders for all BBC-originated content, and wasn't aware of any limits on their exploitation of these rights. What exactly does the Communications Act prohibit? Cheers, Tim -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.20/737 - Release Date: 28/03/2007 16:23 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.20/737 - Release Date: 28/03/2007 16:23
RE: [backstage] BBC announces 3G mobile syndication trial with Orange, Vodafone and 3
Oh for CRYING out loud - why not a partnership with T-Mobile? They have the best 3G HSDPA network in the UK! And I'm on T-Mobile! Typical. > -Original Message- > From: Brian Butterworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 29 March 2007 11:46 > To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk > Subject: [backstage] BBC announces 3G mobile syndication > trial with Orange, Vodafone and 3 > > > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2007/03 > _march/29/3g.s > html > > Can we have the BBC one, BBC THREE and (in particular) BBC > News 24 streams online please? > > If you can stream them on a mobile, it would be useful if > they could be provided online in the same format (I mean, > that's what you are doing > anyway...) > > Brian Butterworth > www.ukfree.tv > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.20/737 - Release > Date: 28/03/2007 > 16:23 > > > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To > unsubscribe, please visit > http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC announces 3G mobile syndication trial with Orange, Vodafone and 3
On 3/29/07, Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Tim, They can't be paying BBC Worldwide a penny, as it is strictly forbidden by the Communications Act 2003! Really? please do explain... I was under the impression that Worldwide were the rights-holders for all BBC-originated content, and wasn't aware of any limits on their exploitation of these rights. What exactly does the Communications Act prohibit? Cheers, Tim
RE: [backstage] BBC announces 3G mobile syndication trial with Orange, Vodafone and 3
Tim, They can't be paying BBC Worldwide a penny, as it is strictly forbidden by the Communications Act 2003! Brian Butterworth HYPERLINK "http://www.ukfree.tv/"www.ukfree.tv On 3/29/07, Brian Butterworth mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If you can stream them on a mobile, it would be useful if they could be provided online in the same format (I mean, that's what you are doing anyway...) Almost, except I imagine the Mobile Phone networks are pobably paying BBC Worldwide a not-inconsiderable amount of money for the rights to broadcast BBC content as part of their 'walled garden' offering - a cost that may or may not be passed on to the customer as a 'pay per view' service. In addition, putting the streams online would make them available *globally*, putting them on mobiles run by UK operators makes them available (for the most part) to the UK citizens who fund the BBC. Note: I'm not saying that this situation is a good thing, but that this is probably the reason why BBC content is available on mobile and not online for the time being. With the exception of a few providers, Mobile data services are closed, non-neutral networks, and, as such are very different from the 'proper' internet. This is probably why traditional 'rights-holders' are so keen on them. Cheers, Tim -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.20/737 - Release Date: 28/03/2007 16:23
Re: [backstage] BBC announces 3G mobile syndication trial with Orange, Vodafone and 3
Brian Butterworth wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2007/03_march/29/3g.s html Can we have the BBC one, BBC THREE and (in particular) BBC News 24 streams online please? If you can stream them on a mobile, it would be useful if they could be provided online in the same format (I mean, that's what you are doing anyway...) I doubt it is that easy. Anyway you can always get a Slingbox and then watch any freeview channels. Adam - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC announces 3G mobile syndication trial with Orange, Vodafone and 3
On 3/29/07, Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If you can stream them on a mobile, it would be useful if they could be provided online in the same format (I mean, that's what you are doing anyway...) Almost, except I imagine the Mobile Phone networks are pobably paying BBC Worldwide a not-inconsiderable amount of money for the rights to broadcast BBC content as part of their 'walled garden' offering - a cost that may or may not be passed on to the customer as a 'pay per view' service. In addition, putting the streams online would make them available *globally*, putting them on mobiles run by UK operators makes them available (for the most part) to the UK citizens who fund the BBC. Note: I'm not saying that this situation is a good thing, but that this is probably the reason why BBC content is available on mobile and not online for the time being. With the exception of a few providers, Mobile data services are closed, non-neutral networks, and, as such are very different from the 'proper' internet. This is probably why traditional 'rights-holders' are so keen on them. Cheers, Tim
