Re: [backstage] Digital Britain Interim Report is published
I love how they make it sound like Apple's recent dumping of DRM was an embrace of some form of DRM that would work on any and all devices: Digital Rights Management (DRM), properly applied, also has a role (i.e. where it allows users to access content on any device that they own, rather than being device limited – which is the paradigm that the film industry has encouraged and one that, in music, Apple's iTunes has now embraced, in a welcome recent co-operation between rights-owners and a device/ distributor). (page 43) I guess you could argue that no DRM is the only proper application of DRM, but even then that sentence seems really wrong - since when has the film industry been behind a form of DRM that works on any and all devices?. On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 15:27, Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tvwrote: A lot to enjoy here... Our plans for the level of service which we believe should be universal. We anticipate this consideration will include options up to 2Mb/s. http://www.dcms.gov.uk/images/publications/digital_britain_interimreportjan09.pdf Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
Re: [backstage] Digital Britain Interim Report is published
And plenty not to: (page 22) On the same basis, the Government has yet to see a case for legislation in favour of net neutrality. In consequence, unless Ofcom find network operators or ISPs to have Significant Market Power and justify intervention on competition grounds, traffic management will not be prevented. At least I'll be able to get to the quality at AOL news faster... Jim On 29 Jan 2009, at 15:27, Brian Butterworth wrote: A lot to enjoy here... Our plans for the level of service which we believe should be universal. We anticipate this consideration will include options up to 2Mb/s. http://www.dcms.gov.uk/images/publications/digital_britain_interimreportjan09.pdf Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 Jim
Re: [backstage] Digital Britain Interim Report is published
I'm quite impressed by the way that the whole DAB+ issue has become a box about the boring sounding European 'Digital Radio Receivers Profiles' on page 33. Strange way to write a long-term plan if you ask me. 2009/1/29 Jim Tonge jim_d_to...@yahoo.co.uk And plenty not to: (page 22) On the same basis, the Government has yet to see a case for legislation in favour of net neutrality. In consequence, unless Ofcom find network operators or ISPs to have Significant Market Power and justify intervention on competition grounds, traffic management will not be prevented. At least I'll be able to get to the quality at AOL news faster... Jim On 29 Jan 2009, at 15:27, Brian Butterworth wrote: A lot to enjoy here... Our plans for the level of service which we believe should be universal. We anticipate this consideration will include options up to 2Mb/s. http://www.dcms.gov.uk/images/publications/digital_britain_interimreportjan09.pdf Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 Jim -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
Re: [backstage] Digital Britain Interim Report is published
In the box on page 34, the second table has no headings. Nowhere does it mention the 'planned coverage' is for 2030. And best of all... N.B. Comparing analogue FM to DAB coverage is not straightforward due to the individual characteristics of each platform and it is necessary to measure the performance in different ways ... current coverage of DAB on local commercial multiplexes varies considerably. 2009/1/29 Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv I'm quite impressed by the way that the whole DAB+ issue has become a box about the boring sounding European 'Digital Radio Receivers Profiles' on page 33. Strange way to write a long-term plan if you ask me. 2009/1/29 Jim Tonge jim_d_to...@yahoo.co.uk And plenty not to: (page 22) On the same basis, the Government has yet to see a case for legislation in favour of net neutrality. In consequence, unless Ofcom find network operators or ISPs to have Significant Market Power and justify intervention on competition grounds, traffic management will not be prevented. At least I'll be able to get to the quality at AOL news faster... Jim On 29 Jan 2009, at 15:27, Brian Butterworth wrote: A lot to enjoy here... Our plans for the level of service which we believe should be universal. We anticipate this consideration will include options up to 2Mb/s. http://www.dcms.gov.uk/images/publications/digital_britain_interimreportjan09.pdf Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 Jim -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
Re: [backstage] Digital Britain Interim Report is published
Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see any mention of FM vs DAB quality. Even if the coverage is (eventually) there, if the quality isn't as good then I don't see 50% of the population switching to DAB any time soon. On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 16:31, Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tvwrote: In the box on page 34, the second table has no headings. Nowhere does it mention the 'planned coverage' is for 2030. And best of all... N.B. Comparing analogue FM to DAB coverage is not straightforward due to the individual characteristics of each platform and it is necessary to measure the performance in different ways ... current coverage of DAB on local commercial multiplexes varies considerably. 2009/1/29 Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv I'm quite impressed by the way that the whole DAB+ issue has become a box about the boring sounding European 'Digital Radio Receivers Profiles' on page 33. Strange way to write a long-term plan if you ask me. 2009/1/29 Jim Tonge jim_d_to...@yahoo.co.uk And plenty not to: (page 22) On the same basis, the Government has yet to see a case for legislation in favour of net neutrality. In consequence, unless Ofcom find network operators or ISPs to have Significant Market Power and justify intervention on competition grounds, traffic management will not be prevented. At least I'll be able to get to the quality at AOL news faster... Jim On 29 Jan 2009, at 15:27, Brian Butterworth wrote: A lot to enjoy here... Our plans for the level of service which we believe should be universal. We anticipate this consideration will include options up to 2Mb/s. http://www.dcms.gov.uk/images/publications/digital_britain_interimreportjan09.pdf Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 Jim -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
RE: [backstage] Digital Britain Interim Report is published
The recommendation isn't 50% dab, it's 50% digital listening - so combination of DAB, IP, DTV etc. i.e. choose the one that matches your expectations of quality. on the DAB+ point, the boring sounding profiles bit means that there is a set of profiles that mean that a digital broadcast radio can work anywhere in europe (DAB, DAB+, DMB-A) hence introducing economies of scale and getting round the fact that a lot of manufacturers don't just provide devices for a particular territory. hope this helps best J From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Scot McSweeney-Roberts Sent: 29 January 2009 16:41 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Digital Britain Interim Report is published Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see any mention of FM vs DAB quality. Even if the coverage is (eventually) there, if the quality isn't as good then I don't see 50% of the population switching to DAB any time soon. On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 16:31, Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv wrote: In the box on page 34, the second table has no headings. Nowhere does it mention the 'planned coverage' is for 2030. And best of all... N.B. Comparing analogue FM to DAB coverage is not straightforward due to the individual characteristics of each platform and it is necessary to measure the performance in different ways ... current coverage of DAB on local commercial multiplexes varies considerably. 2009/1/29 Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv I'm quite impressed by the way that the whole DAB+ issue has become a box about the boring sounding European 'Digital Radio Receivers Profiles' on page 33. Strange way to write a long-term plan if you ask me. 2009/1/29 Jim Tonge jim_d_to...@yahoo.co.uk And plenty not to: (page 22) On the same basis, the Government has yet to see a case for legislation in favour of net neutrality. In consequence, unless Ofcom find network operators or ISPs to have Significant Market Power and justify intervention on competition grounds, traffic management will not be prevented. At least I'll be able to get to the quality at AOL news faster... Jim On 29 Jan 2009, at 15:27, Brian Butterworth wrote: A lot to enjoy here... Our plans for the level of service which we believe should be universal. We anticipate this consideration will include options up to 2Mb/s. http://www.dcms.gov.uk/images/publications/digital_britain_interimreport jan09.pdf Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 Jim -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
Re: [backstage] Digital Britain Interim Report is published
But if it's 50% digital listening and let's say 90% of that isn't DAB, then why bother making a clear statement of Government and policy commitment to enabling DAB to be a primary distribution network for radio;? On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 18:05, John Ousby john.ou...@bbc.co.uk wrote: The recommendation isn't 50% dab, it's 50% digital listening - so combination of DAB, IP, DTV etc. i.e. choose the one that matches your expectations of quality. on the DAB+ point, the boring sounding profiles bit means that there is a set of profiles that mean that a digital broadcast radio can work anywhere in europe (DAB, DAB+, DMB-A) hence introducing economies of scale and getting round the fact that a lot of manufacturers don't just provide devices for a particular territory. hope this helps best J -- *From:* owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] *On Behalf Of *Scot McSweeney-Roberts *Sent:* 29 January 2009 16:41 *To:* backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk *Subject:* Re: [backstage] Digital Britain Interim Report is published Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see any mention of FM vs DAB quality. Even if the coverage is (eventually) there, if the quality isn't as good then I don't see 50% of the population switching to DAB any time soon. On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 16:31, Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tvwrote: In the box on page 34, the second table has no headings. Nowhere does it mention the 'planned coverage' is for 2030. And best of all... N.B. Comparing analogue FM to DAB coverage is not straightforward due to the individual characteristics of each platform and it is necessary to measure the performance in different ways ... current coverage of DAB on local commercial multiplexes varies considerably. 2009/1/29 Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv I'm quite impressed by the way that the whole DAB+ issue has become a box about the boring sounding European 'Digital Radio Receivers Profiles' on page 33. Strange way to write a long-term plan if you ask me. 2009/1/29 Jim Tonge jim_d_to...@yahoo.co.uk And plenty not to: (page 22) On the same basis, the Government has yet to see a case for legislation in favour of net neutrality. In consequence, unless Ofcom find network operators or ISPs to have Significant Market Power and justify intervention on competition grounds, traffic management will not be prevented. At least I'll be able to get to the quality at AOL news faster... Jim On 29 Jan 2009, at 15:27, Brian Butterworth wrote: A lot to enjoy here... Our plans for the level of service which we believe should be universal. We anticipate this consideration will include options up to 2Mb/s. http://www.dcms.gov.uk/images/publications/digital_britain_interimreportjan09.pdf Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 Jim -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
Re: [backstage] Digital Britain Interim Report is published
2009/1/29 John Ousby john.ou...@bbc.co.uk The recommendation isn't 50% dab, it's 50% digital listening - so combination of DAB, IP, DTV etc. i.e. choose the one that matches your expectations of quality. on the DAB+ point, the boring sounding profiles bit means that there is a set of profiles that mean that a digital broadcast radio can work anywhere in europe (DAB, DAB+, DMB-A) hence introducing economies of scale and getting round the fact that a lot of manufacturers don't just provide devices for a particular territory. Yes, and sidesteps the whole are we going to use another codec in the UK and if so when? question. hope this helps best J -- *From:* owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] *On Behalf Of *Scot McSweeney-Roberts *Sent:* 29 January 2009 16:41 *To:* backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk *Subject:* Re: [backstage] Digital Britain Interim Report is published Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see any mention of FM vs DAB quality. Even if the coverage is (eventually) there, if the quality isn't as good then I don't see 50% of the population switching to DAB any time soon. On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 16:31, Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tvwrote: In the box on page 34, the second table has no headings. Nowhere does it mention the 'planned coverage' is for 2030. And best of all... N.B. Comparing analogue FM to DAB coverage is not straightforward due to the individual characteristics of each platform and it is necessary to measure the performance in different ways ... current coverage of DAB on local commercial multiplexes varies considerably. 2009/1/29 Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv I'm quite impressed by the way that the whole DAB+ issue has become a box about the boring sounding European 'Digital Radio Receivers Profiles' on page 33. Strange way to write a long-term plan if you ask me. 2009/1/29 Jim Tonge jim_d_to...@yahoo.co.uk And plenty not to: (page 22) On the same basis, the Government has yet to see a case for legislation in favour of net neutrality. In consequence, unless Ofcom find network operators or ISPs to have Significant Market Power and justify intervention on competition grounds, traffic management will not be prevented. At least I'll be able to get to the quality at AOL news faster... Jim On 29 Jan 2009, at 15:27, Brian Butterworth wrote: A lot to enjoy here... Our plans for the level of service which we believe should be universal. We anticipate this consideration will include options up to 2Mb/s. http://www.dcms.gov.uk/images/publications/digital_britain_interimreportjan09.pdf Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 Jim -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
RE: [backstage] Digital Britain Interim Report is published
I guess they believe that in the timeframe they are talking about, broadcast delivery is still the most scalable and achievable way of delivering large amounts of content to mass audiences simultaneously across a range of situations of use. This doesn't deny the significance of IP delivery, or the ways that people's radio consumption may change over time (on demand / podcast etc). BTW, at the moment DAB listening accounts for about 2/3 of all digital listening according to the RAJAR figures yesterday which also showed a 0.1% year on year growth for internet radio listening (taking it to 2% of total UK radio listening) compared to a 1.5% yoy growth for DAB taking it to 11.4% (DTV is 3.2%). So there's a way to go yet. best J From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Scot McSweeney-Roberts Sent: 29 January 2009 18:24 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Digital Britain Interim Report is published But if it's 50% digital listening and let's say 90% of that isn't DAB, then why bother making a clear statement of Government and policy commitment to enabling DAB to be a primary distribution network for radio;? On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 18:05, John Ousby john.ou...@bbc.co.uk wrote: The recommendation isn't 50% dab, it's 50% digital listening - so combination of DAB, IP, DTV etc. i.e. choose the one that matches your expectations of quality. on the DAB+ point, the boring sounding profiles bit means that there is a set of profiles that mean that a digital broadcast radio can work anywhere in europe (DAB, DAB+, DMB-A) hence introducing economies of scale and getting round the fact that a lot of manufacturers don't just provide devices for a particular territory. hope this helps best J From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Scot McSweeney-Roberts Sent: 29 January 2009 16:41 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Digital Britain Interim Report is published Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see any mention of FM vs DAB quality. Even if the coverage is (eventually) there, if the quality isn't as good then I don't see 50% of the population switching to DAB any time soon. On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 16:31, Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv wrote: In the box on page 34, the second table has no headings. Nowhere does it mention the 'planned coverage' is for 2030. And best of all... N.B. Comparing analogue FM to DAB coverage is not straightforward due to the individual characteristics of each platform and it is necessary to measure the performance in different ways ... current coverage of DAB on local commercial multiplexes varies considerably. 2009/1/29 Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv I'm quite impressed by the way that the whole DAB+ issue has become a box about the boring sounding European 'Digital Radio Receivers Profiles' on page 33. Strange way to write a long-term plan if you ask me. 2009/1/29 Jim Tonge jim_d_to...@yahoo.co.uk And plenty not to: (page 22) On the same basis, the Government has yet to see a case for legislation in favour of net neutrality. In consequence, unless Ofcom find network operators or ISPs to have Significant Market Power and justify intervention on competition grounds, traffic management will not be prevented. At least I'll be able to get to the quality at AOL news faster... Jim On 29 Jan 2009, at 15:27, Brian Butterworth wrote: A lot to enjoy here... Our plans for the level of service which we believe should be universal. We anticipate this consideration will include options up to 2Mb/s. http://www.dcms.gov.uk/images/publications/digital_britain_interimreport jan09.pdf Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 Jim
