Re: [Bacula-users] Virtual Backups - Do we actually need full backups anymore?

2011-01-07 Thread Graham Keeling
On Thu, Jan 06, 2011 at 12:52:22PM -0500, Phil Stracchino wrote: On 01/06/11 12:35, Graham Keeling wrote: On Thu, Jan 06, 2011 at 05:24:07PM +, Mister IT Guru wrote: On 06/01/2011 17:16, Graham Keeling wrote: So, I would be very pleased if a VirtualFull also grabbed new files from

Re: [Bacula-users] Virtual Backups - Do we actually need full backups anymore?

2011-01-07 Thread Graham Keeling
On Thu, Jan 06, 2011 at 12:48:18PM -0500, Phil Stracchino wrote: On 01/06/11 12:16, Graham Keeling wrote: With my configuration, a VirtualFull sometimes prevents an Incremental from running, because the VirtualFull took too long (or vice versa). I have not been able to solve this,

Re: [Bacula-users] Virtual Backups - Do we actually need full backups anymore?

2011-01-07 Thread Graham Keeling
On Fri, Jan 07, 2011 at 08:43:09AM +, Graham Keeling wrote: On Thu, Jan 06, 2011 at 12:48:18PM -0500, Phil Stracchino wrote: On 01/06/11 12:16, Graham Keeling wrote: With my configuration, a VirtualFull sometimes prevents an Incremental from running, because the VirtualFull took

Re: [Bacula-users] Virtual Backups - Do we actually need full backups anymore?

2011-01-07 Thread Mister IT Guru
On 06/01/2011 17:48, Phil Stracchino wrote: On 01/06/11 12:16, Graham Keeling wrote: With my configuration, a VirtualFull sometimes prevents an Incremental from running, because the VirtualFull took too long (or vice versa). I have not been able to solve this, because every idea that I've

Re: [Bacula-users] Virtual Backups - Do we actually need full backups anymore?

2011-01-07 Thread Mister IT Guru
On 06/01/2011 18:47, Phil Stracchino wrote: On 01/06/11 12:54, Mister IT Guru wrote: Okay, I see the point of Virtual Full Backup - this is to be done without talking to the client at call, (i did know that! I've been doing my homework!) Well, now that I'm looking at the virtual backup in the

Re: [Bacula-users] Virtual Backups - Do we actually need full backups anymore?

2011-01-07 Thread Graham Keeling
On Fri, Jan 07, 2011 at 09:53:27AM +, Mister IT Guru wrote: On 06/01/2011 18:47, Phil Stracchino wrote: On 01/06/11 12:54, Mister IT Guru wrote: Okay, I see the point of Virtual Full Backup - this is to be done without talking to the client at call, (i did know that! I've been doing

Re: [Bacula-users] Virtual Backups - Do we actually need full backups anymore?

2011-01-07 Thread Graham Keeling
On Fri, Jan 07, 2011 at 10:25:05AM +, Mister IT Guru wrote: On 07/01/2011 09:59, Graham Keeling wrote: On Fri, Jan 07, 2011 at 09:53:27AM +, Mister IT Guru wrote: On 06/01/2011 18:47, Phil Stracchino wrote: On 01/06/11 12:54, Mister IT Guru wrote: Okay, I see the point of Virtual

Re: [Bacula-users] Virtual Backups - Do we actually need full backups anymore?

2011-01-07 Thread Mister IT Guru
On 07/01/2011 11:19, Gavin McCullagh wrote: On Fri, 07 Jan 2011, Graham Keeling wrote: Thank you for the clarification! That's what I thought before hand. *phew* otherwise my backup plans would be fubard! Why do you say, may involve creating a new volume? Because, depending on what bacula

Re: [Bacula-users] Virtual Backups - Do we actually need full backups anymore?

2011-01-07 Thread Mister IT Guru
On 07/01/2011 12:23, James Harper wrote: Suggestion: Schedule the day's Incremental, then schedule the VirtualFull, say, 30 minutes later. Put a RunBeforeJob script on the incremental that creates a lockfile (in a properly race-safe manner, of course) for the client. Put a RunAfterJob

Re: [Bacula-users] Virtual Backups - Do we actually need full backups anymore?

2011-01-07 Thread Blake Dunlap
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 06:30, Mister IT Guru misteritg...@gmx.com wrote: On 07/01/2011 12:23, James Harper wrote: Suggestion: Schedule the day's Incremental, then schedule the VirtualFull, say, 30 minutes later. Put a RunBeforeJob script on the incremental that creates a lockfile

Re: [Bacula-users] Virtual Backups - Do we actually need full backups anymore?

2011-01-07 Thread Mister IT Guru
On 07/01/2011 17:00, Blake Dunlap wrote: On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 06:30, Mister IT Guru misteritg...@gmx.com mailto:misteritg...@gmx.com wrote: On 07/01/2011 12:23, James Harper wrote: Suggestion: Schedule the day's Incremental, then schedule the VirtualFull, say, 30

Re: [Bacula-users] Virtual Backups - Do we actually need full backups anymore?

2011-01-07 Thread Phil Stracchino
On 01/07/11 12:00, Blake Dunlap wrote: I have a specific perl script that runs, and fires off the top x (in our case 3) vfulls each morning queued to run, based on what incrementals are seen running successfully the night before, and has had no fulls within x (in my case 90) days. We did

Re: [Bacula-users] Virtual Backups - Do we actually need full backups anymore?

2011-01-07 Thread Blake Dunlap
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 16:20, Blake Dunlap iki...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 13:15, Phil Stracchino ala...@metrocast.netwrote: Blake, By all means post it, and you might want to consider submitting it as a contributed support script. Script to automatically start

Re: [Bacula-users] Virtual Backups - Do we actually need full backups anymore?

2011-01-07 Thread Blake Dunlap
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 13:15, Phil Stracchino ala...@metrocast.net wrote: Blake, By all means post it, and you might want to consider submitting it as a contributed support script. Script to automatically start VirtualFulls based on Full Backup Age attached, currently set up to have some

[Bacula-users] Virtual Backups - Do we actually need full backups anymore?

2011-01-06 Thread Mister IT Guru
I've been trying to get my head around virtual full backups. Now, from my understanding, (i'm 80% through my work day, shut down 20 tickets, and had to deal with too many user incidents for my liking, so please bare with me if I say something stupid!), virtual fulls can be run on the same pool

Re: [Bacula-users] Virtual Backups - Do we actually need full backups anymore?

2011-01-06 Thread Graham Keeling
On Thu, Jan 06, 2011 at 05:02:47PM +, Mister IT Guru wrote: I've been trying to get my head around virtual full backups. Now, from my understanding, (i'm 80% through my work day, shut down 20 tickets, and had to deal with too many user incidents for my liking, so please bare with me if

Re: [Bacula-users] Virtual Backups - Do we actually need full backups anymore?

2011-01-06 Thread Mister IT Guru
On 06/01/2011 17:16, Graham Keeling wrote: On Thu, Jan 06, 2011 at 05:02:47PM +, Mister IT Guru wrote: I've been trying to get my head around virtual full backups. Now, from my understanding, (i'm 80% through my work day, shut down 20 tickets, and had to deal with too many user incidents

Re: [Bacula-users] Virtual Backups - Do we actually need full backups anymore?

2011-01-06 Thread Graham Keeling
On Thu, Jan 06, 2011 at 05:24:07PM +, Mister IT Guru wrote: On 06/01/2011 17:16, Graham Keeling wrote: On Thu, Jan 06, 2011 at 05:02:47PM +, Mister IT Guru wrote: I've been trying to get my head around virtual full backups. Now, from my understanding, (i'm 80% through my work day,

Re: [Bacula-users] Virtual Backups - Do we actually need full backups anymore?

2011-01-06 Thread Sean Clark
On 01/06/2011 11:24 AM, Mister IT Guru wrote: On 06/01/2011 17:16, Graham Keeling wrote: On Thu, Jan 06, 2011 at 05:02:47PM +, Mister IT Guru wrote: I've been trying to get my head around virtual full backups. [...] So, I would be very pleased if a VirtualFull also grabbed new files from

Re: [Bacula-users] Virtual Backups - Do we actually need full backups anymore?

2011-01-06 Thread Graham Keeling
On Thu, Jan 06, 2011 at 11:36:10AM -0600, Sean Clark wrote: On 01/06/2011 11:24 AM, Mister IT Guru wrote: On 06/01/2011 17:16, Graham Keeling wrote: On Thu, Jan 06, 2011 at 05:02:47PM +, Mister IT Guru wrote: I've been trying to get my head around virtual full backups. [...] So, I

Re: [Bacula-users] Virtual Backups - Do we actually need full backups anymore?

2011-01-06 Thread Phil Stracchino
On 01/06/11 12:16, Graham Keeling wrote: With my configuration, a VirtualFull sometimes prevents an Incremental from running, because the VirtualFull took too long (or vice versa). I have not been able to solve this, because every idea that I've come up with either doesn't work or makes

Re: [Bacula-users] Virtual Backups - Do we actually need full backups anymore?

2011-01-06 Thread Phil Stracchino
On 01/06/11 12:35, Graham Keeling wrote: On Thu, Jan 06, 2011 at 05:24:07PM +, Mister IT Guru wrote: On 06/01/2011 17:16, Graham Keeling wrote: So, I would be very pleased if a VirtualFull also grabbed new files from the client. Thank you for pointing this out! So it doesn't grab new

Re: [Bacula-users] Virtual Backups - Do we actually need full backups anymore?

2011-01-06 Thread Mister IT Guru
On 06/01/2011 17:44, Graham Keeling wrote: On Thu, Jan 06, 2011 at 11:36:10AM -0600, Sean Clark wrote: On 01/06/2011 11:24 AM, Mister IT Guru wrote: On 06/01/2011 17:16, Graham Keeling wrote: On Thu, Jan 06, 2011 at 05:02:47PM +, Mister IT Guru wrote: I've been trying to get my head

Re: [Bacula-users] Virtual Backups - Do we actually need full backups anymore?

2011-01-06 Thread Phil Stracchino
On 01/06/11 12:54, Mister IT Guru wrote: Okay, I see the point of Virtual Full Backup - this is to be done without talking to the client at call, (i did know that! I've been doing my homework!) Well, now that I'm looking at the virtual backup in the capacity in which it was intended, it