Re: [Bacula-users] concurrent jobs on the same storage

2010-02-24 Thread Silver Salonen
On Tuesday 23 February 2010 20:45:26 Martin Simmons wrote: I think you have the concept backwards -- it is designed to prevent concurrency on that device rather than allowing more of it. The default allows an unlimited number of jobs to be queued (or run concurrently on a single volume).

Re: [Bacula-users] concurrent jobs on the same storage

2010-02-24 Thread Silver Salonen
On Tuesday 23 February 2010 19:09:49 Phil Stracchino wrote: On 02/23/10 06:32, Silver Salonen wrote: I consider it a bug, but looks like devs do not. Any opinions? I ran into this problem when I first upgraded to 3.0.3. It turned out to be a configuration issue. Make sure you have the

Re: [Bacula-users] concurrent jobs on the same storage

2010-02-24 Thread Martin Simmons
On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 11:58:22 +0200, Silver Salonen said: On Tuesday 23 February 2010 20:45:26 Martin Simmons wrote: I think you have the concept backwards -- it is designed to prevent concurrency on that device rather than allowing more of it. The default allows an unlimited number of

Re: [Bacula-users] concurrent jobs on the same storage

2010-02-24 Thread Silver Salonen
On Wednesday 24 February 2010 13:38:17 Martin Simmons wrote: On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 11:58:22 +0200, Silver Salonen said: No, the default for devices has always been to allow only 1 job. That's not correct. Bacula has always been able to run multiple concurrent jobs to the same device, as

Re: [Bacula-users] concurrent jobs on the same storage

2010-02-24 Thread Silver Salonen
On Tuesday 23 February 2010 19:09:49 Phil Stracchino wrote: On 02/23/10 06:32, Silver Salonen wrote: I consider it a bug, but looks like devs do not. Any opinions? I ran into this problem when I first upgraded to 3.0.3. It turned out to be a configuration issue. Make sure you have the

Re: [Bacula-users] concurrent jobs on the same storage

2010-02-24 Thread John Drescher
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 8:07 AM, Silver Salonen sil...@ultrasoft.ee wrote: On Tuesday 23 February 2010 19:09:49 Phil Stracchino wrote: On 02/23/10 06:32, Silver Salonen wrote: I consider it a bug, but looks like devs do not. Any opinions? I ran into this problem when I first upgraded to

Re: [Bacula-users] concurrent jobs on the same storage

2010-02-24 Thread John Drescher
OK. I have never used tapes with Bacula. But I'd expect a file-type device to be able to load more than 1 volume at a time. It's quite trivial, isn't it? This was a design decision that all devices are treated the same way. Anyway, the 1 volume at a time-limit has always been one job at a

Re: [Bacula-users] concurrent jobs on the same storage

2010-02-24 Thread Silver Salonen
On Wednesday 24 February 2010 15:34:27 John Drescher wrote: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 8:07 AM, Silver Salonen sil...@ultrasoft.ee wrote: On Tuesday 23 February 2010 19:09:49 Phil Stracchino wrote: On 02/23/10 06:32, Silver Salonen wrote: I consider it a bug, but looks like devs do not. Any

Re: [Bacula-users] concurrent jobs on the same storage

2010-02-24 Thread John Drescher
Are you saying that for concurrent jobs to work I have to run these different jobs into the same volume? It doesn't make any sense in the means of disk- based backups. If they are not the same volume then you need to have more than 1 storage device. Remember that only 1 volume can be loaded

Re: [Bacula-users] concurrent jobs on the same storage

2010-02-24 Thread Silver Salonen
On Wednesday 24 February 2010 15:58:57 John Drescher wrote: OK. I have never used tapes with Bacula. But I'd expect a file-type device to be able to load more than 1 volume at a time. It's quite trivial, isn't it? This was a design decision that all devices are treated the same way. It's

Re: [Bacula-users] concurrent jobs on the same storage

2010-02-24 Thread Silver Salonen
On Wednesday 24 February 2010 16:42:50 John Drescher wrote: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Silver Salonen sil...@ultrasoft.ee wrote: What's the use of treating all the devices the same way anyway? Ease of programming? Even though it makes this part of the whole project so rigid? Ease

Re: [Bacula-users] concurrent jobs on the same storage

2010-02-24 Thread Josh Fisher
On 2/24/2010 9:25 AM, Silver Salonen wrote: On Wednesday 24 February 2010 15:58:57 John Drescher wrote: OK. I have never used tapes with Bacula. But I'd expect a file-type device to be able to load more than 1 volume at a time. It's quite trivial, isn't it?

Re: [Bacula-users] concurrent jobs on the same storage

2010-02-24 Thread John Drescher
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Silver Salonen sil...@ultrasoft.ee wrote: On Wednesday 24 February 2010 15:58:57 John Drescher wrote: OK. I have never used tapes with Bacula. But I'd expect a file-type device to be able to load more than 1 volume at a time. It's quite trivial, isn't it?

Re: [Bacula-users] concurrent jobs on the same storage

2010-02-24 Thread Silver Salonen
On Wednesday 24 February 2010 17:03:58 Josh Fisher wrote: On 2/24/2010 9:25 AM, Silver Salonen wrote: It's like assuming that the ultimate backup-devices are tapes. And as I don't think that way, it's so annoying these design decisions rely on somebody's (emotional/historical) opinion.

Re: [Bacula-users] concurrent jobs on the same storage

2010-02-24 Thread John Drescher
If volumes were files, there wouldn't be any need to limit them for devices which would be directories in that context. Again the limit is only 1 volume can be loaded in 1 storage device at a time. This is not that big of a limitation because with disk you can have 1 storage devices if

Re: [Bacula-users] concurrent jobs on the same storage

2010-02-24 Thread Phil Stracchino
On 02/24/10 08:07, Silver Salonen wrote: On Tuesday 23 February 2010 19:09:49 Phil Stracchino wrote: On 02/23/10 06:32, Silver Salonen wrote: I consider it a bug, but looks like devs do not. Any opinions? I ran into this problem when I first upgraded to 3.0.3. It turned out to be a

Re: [Bacula-users] concurrent jobs on the same storage

2010-02-24 Thread Phil Stracchino
On 02/24/10 08:07, Silver Salonen wrote: BTW, this part is very obscure in the manual: if you want two different jobs to run simultaneously backing up the same Client to the same Storage device, they will run concurrently only if you have set Maximum Concurrent Jobs greater than one in the

Re: [Bacula-users] concurrent jobs on the same storage

2010-02-24 Thread John Drescher
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Phil Stracchino ala...@metrocast.net wrote: On 02/24/10 08:07, Silver Salonen wrote: On Tuesday 23 February 2010 19:09:49 Phil Stracchino wrote: On 02/23/10 06:32, Silver Salonen wrote: I consider it a bug, but looks like devs do not. Any opinions? I ran into

Re: [Bacula-users] concurrent jobs on the same storage

2010-02-24 Thread Silver Salonen
On Wednesday 24 February 2010 19:28:05 John Drescher wrote: If volumes were files, there wouldn't be any need to limit them for devices which would be directories in that context. Again the limit is only 1 volume can be loaded in 1 storage device at a time. This is not that big of a

Re: [Bacula-users] concurrent jobs on the same storage

2010-02-23 Thread Silver Salonen
I consider it a bug, but looks like devs do not. Any opinions? http://bugs.bacula.org/view.php?id=1508 -- Silver On Tuesday 16 February 2010 09:56:21 Silver Salonen wrote: Hi. In 5.0 there is directive Maximum Concurrent Jobs for devices too, which should mean that it's now possible to

Re: [Bacula-users] concurrent jobs on the same storage

2010-02-23 Thread Phil Stracchino
On 02/23/10 06:32, Silver Salonen wrote: I consider it a bug, but looks like devs do not. Any opinions? I ran into this problem when I first upgraded to 3.0.3. It turned out to be a configuration issue. Make sure you have the desired level of concurrency enabled in ALL applicable resources

Re: [Bacula-users] concurrent jobs on the same storage

2010-02-23 Thread Martin Simmons
I think you have the concept backwards -- it is designed to prevent concurrency on that device rather than allowing more of it. The default allows an unlimited number of jobs to be queued (or run concurrently on a single volume). The new resource allows you to force jobs to run on another

Re: [Bacula-users] concurrent jobs on the same storage

2010-02-16 Thread Beck J Mr
-Original Message- From: Silver Salonen [mailto:sil...@ultrasoft.ee] Sent: 16 February 2010 07:56 To: bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Bacula-users] concurrent jobs on the same storage Hi. In 5.0 there is directive Maximum Concurrent Jobs for devices too, which should mean

Re: [Bacula-users] concurrent jobs on the same storage

2010-02-16 Thread Silver Salonen
-Original Message- From: Silver Salonen [mailto:sil...@ultrasoft.ee] Sent: 16 February 2010 07:56 To: bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Bacula-users] concurrent jobs on the same storage Hi. In 5.0 there is directive Maximum Concurrent Jobs for devices too, which should mean

Re: [Bacula-users] concurrent jobs on the same storage

2010-02-16 Thread Beck J Mr
I suppose this is true. Sorry, I can't help then. -Original Message- From: Silver Salonen [mailto:sil...@ultrasoft.ee] Sent: 16 February 2010 09:00 To: bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net Cc: Beck J Mr Subject: Re: [Bacula-users] concurrent jobs on the same storage I have set maximum

[Bacula-users] concurrent jobs on the same storage

2010-02-15 Thread Silver Salonen
Hi. In 5.0 there is directive Maximum Concurrent Jobs for devices too, which should mean that it's now possible to run multiple jobs simultaneously on the same device and therefore on the same storage. Right? I have Maximum Concurrent Jobs = 20 set for SD, for 'storage-silver' and for