Re: [Bacula-users] LTO-7 library question (planning purchase)

[Alan Brown]

On 30/11/17 16:18, itlinux_igtp wrote:

Hi Alan,

That was my initial plan, to just add two LTO7 drives to the current 
setup, however, the providers I contacted said drive cost was like 90% 
of the library and the current maintenance costs for the i80 are 
currently over 2500 euros a year, and I had to replace two robotic 
arms already so running without a maintenance contract would be 
extremely risky. Then there is the issue of where I can buy, as I work 
for a public institution in spain and there are several restrictions 
on where and how we can purchase :(


I'll check again with the providers I have to get an exact quote, 
maybe this will be cheaper.


Talk directly with Quantum Europe.

There's a large profit margin for the reseller selling you a new 
changer+maintenance, so many providers add substantial charges.


I have _never_ had to replace a robotic arm in any robot unit and the 
service managers of both Quantum and Overland have said that the level 
of failure of robot components is vanishingly rare (Overland expect 
their Neo2/4000 and 8000 range to last at least a decade.)


The fact that you'e had to replace one twice is rather alarming and 
indicates that something's not setup correctly - don't assume that the 
maintenance people know what they're doing because they frequently don't 
and any kind of misalignment will give problems.


GIven that history with that particular unit, I'd replace it, but don't 
assume its the design at fault. There's a nice youtube video at 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HG6cP8Tncgw which shows how simple they are.





Running new hardware tech is something I always fear a bit, LTO8 
should be fine, but I'd rather use something well tested, the increase 
speed an capacity though is tempting.


Regards,
Iñaki

On 11/30/2017 05:06 PM, Alan Brown wrote:

On 30/11/17 15:13, itlinux_igtp wrote:

Dear List,

We've been using Bacula  with a quantum i80 dual drive LTO-5 library 
for a while now, and it has been working great since we deployed a 
bit more than three years ago. I have to thank the developers for 
creating and releasing such a great tool. It has been rock solid and 
improved the speed of our backups considerably and also is way nicer 
to manage than the previous proprietary solution.


Due to an increase in the data volume we have to backup the current 
library is not enough so the plan is to upgrade the library for a 
dual drive LTO-7 one, most likely an HP msl 4048. I was wondering if 
someone in the list has any experience running Bacula on one of 
these (good or bad)? I think there shouldn't be any issue, but I 
rather ask first, just in case :)


All of HP's changers are rebadged Quantum or Overland/Tandberg 
devices and both makers libraries work fine with bacula (I've used 
both, and HP-branded stuff too)


However, you could just as easily add LTO7 drives into your i80 (or 
wait a couple of months and install LTO8) - talk to Quantum and see 
what they'll charge you to take this option. The design lifespan of 
the changer itself is _much_ longer than that of the drive






Regards,

Iñaki


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Re: [Bacula-users] LTO-7 library question (planning purchase)

[Dimitri Maziuk]

On 2017-11-30 10:18, itlinux_igtp wrote:

I'll check again with the providers I have to get an exact quote, maybe 
this will be cheaper.


You might want to keep the old one anyway since LTOs are only 
guaranteed-compatible 2 generations back and your LTO-8 might refuse to 
restore LTO-5 tapes.


Dima


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Re: [Bacula-users] Using LibreSSL?

[Martin Simmons]

It looks like LibreSSL defines OPENSSL_VERSION_NUMBER as 0x2000L, i.e. as
if it was OpenSSL 2.0.  Bacula uses this variable to detect OpenSSL >= 1.1,
which causes it to compile the 1.1 code when using LibreSSL, even though
LibreSSL only claims to provide the API from OpenSSL 1.0.

Bacula probably needs to detect LibreSSL (e.g. look for
LIBRESSL_VERSION_NUMBER) and treat that as OpenSSL 1.0 regardless of
OPENSSL_VERSION_NUMBER.



> On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 09:53:33 -0500, Dan Langille said:
> 
> Are you using LibreSSL with Bacula 9.0.6?
> 
> I ask because of https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=223994
> 
> re:
> 
> 
> --- openssl.lo ---
> Compiling openssl.c
> --- crypto.lo ---
> crypto.c:199:1: error: unknown type name 'DEFINE_STACK_OF'
> DEFINE_STACK_OF(SignerInfo);
> ^
> crypto.c:200:1: error: unknown type name 'DEFINE_STACK_OF'
> DEFINE_STACK_OF(RecipientInfo);
> ^
> crypto.c:334:21: error: use of undeclared identifier 'ASN1_STRING_get0_data';
> did you mean 'ASN1_STRING_data'?
>   ext_value_data = ASN1_STRING_get0_data(asn1_ext_val);
>^
>ASN1_STRING_data
> /usr/local/include/openssl/asn1.h:787:17: note: 'ASN1_STRING_data' declared
> here
> unsigned char * ASN1_STRING_data(ASN1_STRING *x);
>^
> crypto.c:334:43: error: cannot initialize a parameter of type 'ASN1_STRING *'
> (aka 'asn1_string_st *') with an lvalue of type 'const ASN1_STRING *' (aka
> 'const asn1_string_st *')
>   ext_value_data = ASN1_STRING_get0_data(asn1_ext_val);
> 
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Re: [Bacula-users] LTO-7 library question (planning purchase)

[itlinux_igtp]

Hi Alan,

That was my initial plan, to just add two LTO7 drives to the current 
setup, however, the providers I contacted said drive cost was like 90% 
of the library and the current maintenance costs for the i80 are 
currently over 2500 euros a year, and I had to replace two robotic arms 
already so running without a maintenance contract would be extremely 
risky. Then there is the issue of where I can buy, as I work for a 
public institution in spain and there are several restrictions on where 
and how we can purchase :(


I'll check again with the providers I have to get an exact quote, maybe 
this will be cheaper.


Running new hardware tech is something I always fear a bit, LTO8 should 
be fine, but I'd rather use something well tested, the increase speed an 
capacity though is tempting.


Regards,
Iñaki

On 11/30/2017 05:06 PM, Alan Brown wrote:

On 30/11/17 15:13, itlinux_igtp wrote:

Dear List,

We've been using Bacula  with a quantum i80 dual drive LTO-5 library 
for a while now, and it has been working great since we deployed a 
bit more than three years ago. I have to thank the developers for 
creating and releasing such a great tool. It has been rock solid and 
improved the speed of our backups considerably and also is way nicer 
to manage than the previous proprietary solution.


Due to an increase in the data volume we have to backup the current 
library is not enough so the plan is to upgrade the library for a 
dual drive LTO-7 one, most likely an HP msl 4048. I was wondering if 
someone in the list has any experience running Bacula on one of these 
(good or bad)? I think there shouldn't be any issue, but I rather ask 
first, just in case :)


All of HP's changers are rebadged Quantum or Overland/Tandberg devices 
and both makers libraries work fine with bacula (I've used both, and 
HP-branded stuff too)


However, you could just as easily add LTO7 drives into your i80 (or 
wait a couple of months and install LTO8) - talk to Quantum and see 
what they'll charge you to take this option. The design lifespan of 
the changer itself is _much_ longer than that of the drive






Regards,

Iñaki


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Re: [Bacula-users] Errors migrating from mysql to postgres

[Wanderlei Huttel]

Hello Radoslaw

Could you explain better about "mysqldump --hex-blob"?

Maybe I could include in the script and improve for not happen any errors.

Best regards

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2017-11-30 9:10 GMT-02:00 Radosław Korzeniewski :

> Hello,
>
> 2017-11-28 11:55 GMT+01:00 Wanderlei Huttel :
>
>> Hello Michel
>>
>> I've created some scripts to do this job.
>> https://github.com/wanderleihuttel/bacula-utils/tree/master/
>> convert_mysql_to_postgresql
>>
>> I only had some troubles with the Log table, but I've changed some
>> registries manually and everything worked fine.
>> A guy in Brazil with a database with 6gb used these scripts and had no
>> problems
>>
>
> I have migrated a Bacula 5.x to 7.x from MySQL into a PostgreSQL and I had
> the same problem with RestoreObjects table. The solution was to use:
> --hex-blob parameter to mysqldump and use a decode() function from
> PostgreSQL.
> The Restore Objects table is populated when Bacula run a Windows VSS
> backup. If you backup all but Windows VSS you will have no problem with
> above script. :)
>
> The next problem I encountered was an ' character in some filenames which
> mysqldump is unable to proper escape, even with --compatible=postgresql
> option. So I had to escape it manually (with an additional script).
>
> Finally the migration was successful but due to above errors it took more
> time then expected.
>
> best regards
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Re: [Bacula-users] LTO-7 library question (planning purchase)

[Alan Brown]

On 30/11/17 15:13, itlinux_igtp wrote:

Dear List,

We've been using Bacula  with a quantum i80 dual drive LTO-5 library 
for a while now, and it has been working great since we deployed a bit 
more than three years ago. I have to thank the developers for creating 
and releasing such a great tool. It has been rock solid and improved 
the speed of our backups considerably and also is way nicer to manage 
than the previous proprietary solution.


Due to an increase in the data volume we have to backup the current 
library is not enough so the plan is to upgrade the library for a dual 
drive LTO-7 one, most likely an HP msl 4048. I was wondering if 
someone in the list has any experience running Bacula on one of these 
(good or bad)? I think there shouldn't be any issue, but I rather ask 
first, just in case :)


All of HP's changers are rebadged Quantum or Overland/Tandberg devices 
and both makers libraries work fine with bacula (I've used both, and 
HP-branded stuff too)


However, you could just as easily add LTO7 drives into your i80 (or wait 
a couple of months and install LTO8) - talk to Quantum and see what 
they'll charge you to take this option. The design lifespan of the 
changer itself is _much_ longer than that of the drive






Regards,

Iñaki


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Re: [Bacula-users] Using LibreSSL?

[Radosław Korzeniewski]

Hello Dan,

2017-11-30 15:53 GMT+01:00 Dan Langille :

> Are you using LibreSSL with Bacula 9.0.6?
>
> I ask because of https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=223994
>
>
I think there was a set of patches (started from:
5f20ce1dd3cd79137ae7650bf2461be8d41c1a8b) which removed support for ancient
OpenSSL. The patches was added in a 9.0.6 release.

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Re: [Bacula-users] LTO-7 library question (planning purchase)

[itlinux_igtp]

Sorry about the double post, I could not see the first one in the 
sourceforge page and assumed there was an issue with our mail system...


Regards,
Iñaki.
On 11/30/2017 04:13 PM, itlinux_igtp wrote:

Dear List,

We've been using Bacula  with a quantum i80 dual drive LTO-5 library 
for a while now, and it has been working great since we deployed a bit 
more than three years ago. I have to thank the developers for creating 
and releasing such a great tool. It has been rock solid and improved 
the speed of our backups considerably and also is way nicer to manage 
than the previous proprietary solution.


Due to an increase in the data volume we have to backup the current 
library is not enough so the plan is to upgrade the library for a dual 
drive LTO-7 one, most likely an HP msl 4048. I was wondering if 
someone in the list has any experience running Bacula on one of these 
(good or bad)? I think there shouldn't be any issue, but I rather ask 
first, just in case :)


Regards,

Iñaki




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[Bacula-users] LTO-7 library question (planning purchase)

[itlinux_igtp]

Dear List,

We've been using Bacula  with a quantum i80 dual drive LTO-5 library for 
a while now, and it has been working great since we deployed a bit more 
than three years ago. I have to thank the developers for creating and 
releasing such a great tool. It has been rock solid and improved the 
speed of our backups considerably and also is way nicer to manage than 
the previous proprietary solution.


Due to an increase in the data volume we have to backup the current 
library is not enough so the plan is to upgrade the library for a dual 
drive LTO-7 one, most likely an HP msl 4048. I was wondering if someone 
in the list has any experience running Bacula on one of these (good or 
bad)? I think there shouldn't be any issue, but I rather ask first, just 
in case :)


Regards,

Iñaki


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[Bacula-users] Using LibreSSL?

[Dan Langille]

Are you using LibreSSL with Bacula 9.0.6?

I ask because of https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=223994

re:


--- openssl.lo ---
Compiling openssl.c
--- crypto.lo ---
crypto.c:199:1: error: unknown type name 'DEFINE_STACK_OF'
DEFINE_STACK_OF(SignerInfo);
^
crypto.c:200:1: error: unknown type name 'DEFINE_STACK_OF'
DEFINE_STACK_OF(RecipientInfo);
^
crypto.c:334:21: error: use of undeclared identifier 'ASN1_STRING_get0_data';
did you mean 'ASN1_STRING_data'?
  ext_value_data = ASN1_STRING_get0_data(asn1_ext_val);
   ^
   ASN1_STRING_data
/usr/local/include/openssl/asn1.h:787:17: note: 'ASN1_STRING_data' declared
here
unsigned char * ASN1_STRING_data(ASN1_STRING *x);
   ^
crypto.c:334:43: error: cannot initialize a parameter of type 'ASN1_STRING *'
(aka 'asn1_string_st *') with an lvalue of type 'const ASN1_STRING *' (aka
'const asn1_string_st *')
  ext_value_data = ASN1_STRING_get0_data(asn1_ext_val);


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Re: [Bacula-users] Disk image

[Gokan Atmaca]

>>
>> https://www.google.de/search?q=site:heise.de+inkrementeller+backup+windows
>
> While browsing through the c't magazines I have recently noticed
> corresponding articles on that topic.

I am looking now. Thank you so much.

On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 1:50 PM, Ralf Brinkmann
 wrote:
> Am 30.11.2017 um 09:32 schrieb Gokan Atmaca:
>>
>> Once the full image then incrementally back up. But it must
>> be over the network.
>
>
> I think an incremental backup only makes sense at file level - while sparing
> all the dull caches.
>
> I'd search the Heise online magazine:
>>
>> https://www.google.de/search?q=site:heise.de+inkrementeller+backup+windows
>
> While browsing through the c't magazines I have recently noticed
> corresponding articles on that topic.
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Re: [Bacula-users] job reordering question

[Kun Richárd]

Yes, I figured out, and I have cancelled all other jobs. Thanks btw!

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2017-11-30 12:14 GMT+01:00 Radosław Korzeniewski 
:

> Hello,
>
> 2017-11-22 18:13 GMT+01:00 Kun Richárd :
>
>> Hi there,
>>
>> We are using a very old version of bacula, 3.0.3.
>> I have to restore some files, so I have used the restore command. The
>> restore job has been created, and now it is in status "C". The backup has
>> some others jobs to do in the queue (Full and Incremental), but I want to
>> run the restore job first.
>> What is the order of the jobs? How can I force to run the restore job
>> first?
>>
>
> Well, for this ancient Bacula version all you can do is to cancel other
> jobs to allow the Restore job to start.
>
> There are a lot of different parameters which could prohibit a Restore job
> to start concurrently.
>
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[Bacula-users] LTO-7 library question (planning purchase)

[itlinux_igtp]

Dear List,

We've been using Bacula  with a quantum i80 dual drive LTO-5 library for 
a while now, and it has worked great so far for more than three years. I 
have to thank the developers for creating and releasing such a great 
tool as it has been rock solid and improved the speed of our backups 
considerably and also being way nicer to manage than the previous 
proprietary solution.


Due to an increase in the data volume we have to backup the current 
library is not enough so the plan is to upgrade the library for a dual 
drive LTO-7 one, most likely an HP msl 4048. I was wondering if someone 
in the list has any experience running Bacula on one of these (good or 
bad)? I think there shouldn't be any issue, but I rather ask first, just 
in case :)


Regards,

Iñaki


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Re: [Bacula-users] job reordering question

[Radosław Korzeniewski]

Hello,

2017-11-22 18:13 GMT+01:00 Kun Richárd :

> Hi there,
>
> We are using a very old version of bacula, 3.0.3.
> I have to restore some files, so I have used the restore command. The
> restore job has been created, and now it is in status "C". The backup has
> some others jobs to do in the queue (Full and Incremental), but I want to
> run the restore job first.
> What is the order of the jobs? How can I force to run the restore job
> first?
>

Well, for this ancient Bacula version all you can do is to cancel other
jobs to allow the Restore job to start.

There are a lot of different parameters which could prohibit a Restore job
to start concurrently.

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Re: [Bacula-users] Errors migrating from mysql to postgres

[Radosław Korzeniewski]

Hello,

2017-11-30 12:10 GMT+01:00 Radosław Korzeniewski 
:

> Hello,
>
> 2017-11-28 11:55 GMT+01:00 Wanderlei Huttel :
>
>> Hello Michel
>>
>> I've created some scripts to do this job.
>> https://github.com/wanderleihuttel/bacula-utils/tree/master/
>> convert_mysql_to_postgresql
>>
>> I only had some troubles with the Log table, but I've changed some
>> registries manually and everything worked fine.
>> A guy in Brazil with a database with 6gb used these scripts and had no
>> problems
>>
>
And the database was 24GB in size.


>
> I have migrated a Bacula 5.x to 7.x from MySQL into a PostgreSQL and I had
> the same problem with RestoreObjects table. The solution was to use:
> --hex-blob parameter to mysqldump and use a decode() function from
> PostgreSQL.
> The Restore Objects table is populated when Bacula run a Windows VSS
> backup. If you backup all but Windows VSS you will have no problem with
> above script. :)
>
> The next problem I encountered was an ' character in some filenames which
> mysqldump is unable to proper escape, even with --compatible=postgresql
> option. So I had to escape it manually (with an additional script).
>
> Finally the migration was successful but due to above errors it took more
> time then expected.
>

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Re: [Bacula-users] Errors migrating from mysql to postgres

[Radosław Korzeniewski]

Hello,

2017-11-28 11:55 GMT+01:00 Wanderlei Huttel :

> Hello Michel
>
> I've created some scripts to do this job.
> https://github.com/wanderleihuttel/bacula-utils/
> tree/master/convert_mysql_to_postgresql
>
> I only had some troubles with the Log table, but I've changed some
> registries manually and everything worked fine.
> A guy in Brazil with a database with 6gb used these scripts and had no
> problems
>

I have migrated a Bacula 5.x to 7.x from MySQL into a PostgreSQL and I had
the same problem with RestoreObjects table. The solution was to use:
--hex-blob parameter to mysqldump and use a decode() function from
PostgreSQL.
The Restore Objects table is populated when Bacula run a Windows VSS
backup. If you backup all but Windows VSS you will have no problem with
above script. :)

The next problem I encountered was an ' character in some filenames which
mysqldump is unable to proper escape, even with --compatible=postgresql
option. So I had to escape it manually (with an additional script).

Finally the migration was successful but due to above errors it took more
time then expected.

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Re: [Bacula-users] bacula-fd filed on AIX xacl_aix missing.

[Radosław Korzeniewski]

Hello,

2017-11-27 17:54 GMT+01:00 Carsten Leonhardt :

> Hi Nicolás,
>
> > I downloaded bacula 9.0.6 as suggested but the problem is still there,
> > only this time the files and missing symbol start with a "b" instead of
> an
> > "x". Look:
> [...]
> > And now my question woud be where do I find bacl_aix.[ch]?
>
> you should be able to compile without acl and xattr by using these
> configure options: --disable-acl --disable-xattr
>
> I don't know what happens if you try to restore existing backups that
> contain acl and xattr data.
>
> The code was rewritten or restructured, but the functions were not
> implemented for all previously supported operating systems.
>

Yes, you are right. The new code support acl/xattr for Linux, FreeBSD,
MacOSX and Solaris only. The current framework for acl/xattr could be
easily extended for other operating systems but without a testing lab we
can't do this.
If someone could share a test system for other operating systems we could
add a missing acl/xattr support.

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Re: [Bacula-users] Disk image

[Ralf Brinkmann]

Am 30.11.2017 um 09:32 schrieb Gokan Atmaca:

Once the full image then incrementally back up. But it must
be over the network.


I think an incremental backup only makes sense at file level - while 
sparing all the dull caches.


I'd search the Heise online magazine:

https://www.google.de/search?q=site:heise.de+inkrementeller+backup+windows
While browsing through the c't magazines I have recently noticed 
corresponding articles on that topic.


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Re: [Bacula-users] restore problem

[Radosław Korzeniewski]

Hello,

2017-11-29 16:29 GMT+01:00 Heitor Faria :

> > Hello
>
> Hello, Gokan,
>
> > I get an error like below. The problem says it's a bootstrap.
> > How can I overcome this?
>
> Most likely you are using the run command to perform a restore. This is
> wrong and you don't need to create a Restore Job for each backup client you
> have.
> You are supposed to use the restore command.
> Perhaps, Jobs with the Restore Type should not appear in the run list at
> all (feature request), but I never thought of all the consequences of that.
>

As far as I verified it a long time ago I could just 'run' a restore job
when I setup a proper bootstrap parameter. The missing piece of code is a
restoreclient directive and command parameter which I need to port from
ancient Bacula 3.x code I have. :)

I see this functionality as an internally scheduled restore verification
process, where you can use a bootstrap file generated during backup to test
if your restore is working on a dedicated test system. The functionality
which do not require external scripting.

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Re: [Bacula-users] Disk image

[Gokan Atmaca]

> I use the rescue system GRML - https://grml.org/ - including ntfsclone
> and gparted for occasional backups and restores of disk images of
> Windows workstations, virtual machines.

Very thanks... Actually the live CD is a bit troublesome. I mean, it's
not like taking a backup with
an agent. Once the full image then incrementally back up. But it must
be over the network.
A live CD can be tiring.

On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 10:19 AM, Ralf Brinkmann
 wrote:
> Am 29.11.2017 um 18:21 schrieb Gokan Atmaca:
>>
>> MS. Can I get disk images on windows systems?
>
>
> I use the rescue system GRML - https://grml.org/ - including ntfsclone
> and gparted for occasional backups and restores of disk images of
> Windows workstations, virtual machines.
>
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