Re: [Bacula-users] Windows Backup Junction Point / Filesystem Question

2011-02-07 Thread Foo
On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 12:12:41 +0100, Joseph L. Casale  
jcas...@activenetwerx.com wrote:

 If not, what is the correct procedure to do this within Windows?
 How do you list the complete filesystem so that everything shows, are
 there specialist tools for this? (it appears to be impossible to access
 some dirs even if using console/administrator and explorer/DOS show a
 different view of the fs)

 http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896768

Thanks, but this does not explain what Bacula (or other packages) can do  
about backing up and particularly restoring junctions/reparse points. Are  
you supposed to dump a listing before a backup and recreate them by hand  
on a restore? I wonder if that is even possible for some protected areas.

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Re: [Bacula-users] Windows Backup Junction Point / Filesystem Question

2011-02-02 Thread Foo
On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 18:24:10 +0100, John Drescher dresche...@gmail.com  
wrote:

 On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Randy Katz
 rk...@simplicityhosting.com wrote:
 On 1/31/2011 9:08 AM, John Drescher wrote:

 John, thanks, but this was already addressed to the list, using the  
 onefs
 option to yes takes care of
 the issue, and no, there is no other target drive other then C:.

 My point is no the onefs option does not properly fix the issue. If
 the target of the junction is on C: you do NOT want to set onefs=no
 because the data in the junction will be backed up twice then.

 Sorry, onefs=no is what I meant.


 This is generally still the wrong thing to do. Its better to include
 the target of the junction in the fileset instead of backing up
 through the juction but I guess it would work. This will cause you
 problems on disaster recovery because the junction will not
 automatically remade. If you use this method you will have to recreate
 the junctions before the restore instead of recreating junctions after
 with the onefs=yes method.

I couldn't find this in the manual, but is it even possible to  
backup/restore a Windows junction point? I.e. the junction point itself,  
not the data it points to.

If not, what is the correct procedure to do this within Windows?
How do you list the complete filesystem so that everything shows, are  
there specialist tools for this? (it appears to be impossible to access  
some dirs even if using console/administrator and explorer/DOS show a  
different view of the fs)

Or are you supposed to be resigned to using the built-in full image (i.e.  
space wasting) backup in W2K8? How do other backup solutions handle this?

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Re: [Bacula-users] Windows Backup Junction Point / Filesystem Question

2011-02-02 Thread Joseph L. Casale
If not, what is the correct procedure to do this within Windows?
How do you list the complete filesystem so that everything shows, are  
there specialist tools for this? (it appears to be impossible to access  
some dirs even if using console/administrator and explorer/DOS show a  
different view of the fs)

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896768

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[Bacula-users] Windows Backup Junction Point / Filesystem Question

2011-01-31 Thread Randy Katz
Hi,

I am seeing this error:

31-Jan 03:42 win1-fd JobId 157:  
C:/inetpub/vhosts/Servers/3/localuser/dirrec is a junction point or a different 
filesystem. Will not descend from C:/inetpub into it.

I have many of these in C:/inetpub/vhosts/Servers/3/localuser/

How can I get these backed up, the file statement is currently:

File = C:/inetpub

Do I need to do this for each directory?

File = C:/inetpub/vhosts/Servers/3/localuser/dirrec

Please advise, thanks.




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Re: [Bacula-users] Windows Backup Junction Point / Filesystem Question

2011-01-31 Thread Christian Manal
Am 31.01.2011 13:33, schrieb Randy Katz:
 Hi,
 
 I am seeing this error:
 
 31-Jan 03:42 win1-fd JobId 157:  
 C:/inetpub/vhosts/Servers/3/localuser/dirrec is a junction point or a 
 different filesystem. Will not descend from C:/inetpub into it.
 
 I have many of these in C:/inetpub/vhosts/Servers/3/localuser/
 
 How can I get these backed up, the file statement is currently:
 
 File = C:/inetpub
 
 Do I need to do this for each directory?
 
 File = C:/inetpub/vhosts/Servers/3/localuser/dirrec
 
 Please advise, thanks.
 


Hi,

look at the onefs option for the FileSet resource:

http://bacula.org/5.0.x-manuals/en/main/main/Configuring_Director.html#SECTION00187


Regards,
Christian Manal

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Re: [Bacula-users] Windows Backup Junction Point / Filesystem Question

2011-01-31 Thread Randy Katz
On 1/31/2011 4:46 AM, Christian Manal wrote:
 Am 31.01.2011 13:33, schrieb Randy Katz:
 Hi,

 I am seeing this error:

 31-Jan 03:42 win1-fd JobId 157:  
 C:/inetpub/vhosts/Servers/3/localuser/dirrec is a junction point or a 
 different filesystem. Will not descend from C:/inetpub into it.

 I have many of these in C:/inetpub/vhosts/Servers/3/localuser/

 How can I get these backed up, the file statement is currently:

 File = C:/inetpub

 Do I need to do this for each directory?

 File = C:/inetpub/vhosts/Servers/3/localuser/dirrec

 Please advise, thanks.


 Hi,

 look at the onefs option for the FileSet resource:

 http://bacula.org/5.0.x-manuals/en/main/main/Configuring_Director.html#SECTION00187


Excellent! Thanks!


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Re: [Bacula-users] Windows Backup Junction Point / Filesystem Question

2011-01-31 Thread Martin Simmons
 On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 04:59:29 -0800, Randy Katz said:
 
 On 1/31/2011 4:46 AM, Christian Manal wrote:
  Am 31.01.2011 13:33, schrieb Randy Katz:
  Hi,
 
  I am seeing this error:
 
  31-Jan 03:42 win1-fd JobId 157:  
  C:/inetpub/vhosts/Servers/3/localuser/dirrec is a junction point or a 
  different filesystem. Will not descend from C:/inetpub into it.
 
  I have many of these in C:/inetpub/vhosts/Servers/3/localuser/
 
  How can I get these backed up, the file statement is currently:
 
  File = C:/inetpub
 
  Do I need to do this for each directory?
 
  File = C:/inetpub/vhosts/Servers/3/localuser/dirrec
 
  Please advise, thanks.
 
 
  Hi,
 
  look at the onefs option for the FileSet resource:
 
  http://bacula.org/5.0.x-manuals/en/main/main/Configuring_Director.html#SECTION00187
 
 
 Excellent! Thanks!

Be careful though -- onefs will remove the error and copy the files, but
restore will not recreate the junction point.  That may break something.

__Martin

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Re: [Bacula-users] Windows Backup Junction Point / Filesystem Question

2011-01-31 Thread John Drescher
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 7:33 AM, Randy Katz rk...@simplicityhosting.com wrote:
 Hi,

 I am seeing this error:

 31-Jan 03:42 win1-fd JobId 157:      
 C:/inetpub/vhosts/Servers/3/localuser/dirrec is a junction point or a 
 different filesystem. Will not descend from C:/inetpub into it.

 I have many of these in C:/inetpub/vhosts/Servers/3/localuser/

 How can I get these backed up, the file statement is currently:

 File = C:/inetpub

 Do I need to do this for each directory?

 File = C:/inetpub/vhosts/Servers/3/localuser/dirrec


Is the target of this junction already on C: or some other drive that
is already in the backup set?

John

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Re: [Bacula-users] Windows Backup Junction Point / Filesystem Question

2011-01-31 Thread Randy Katz
On 1/31/2011 8:45 AM, John Drescher wrote:
 On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 7:33 AM, Randy Katzrk...@simplicityhosting.com  
 wrote:
 Hi,

 I am seeing this error:

 31-Jan 03:42 win1-fd JobId 157:  
 C:/inetpub/vhosts/Servers/3/localuser/dirrec is a junction point or a 
 different filesystem. Will not descend from C:/inetpub into it.

 I have many of these in C:/inetpub/vhosts/Servers/3/localuser/

 How can I get these backed up, the file statement is currently:

 File = C:/inetpub

 Do I need to do this for each directory?

 File = C:/inetpub/vhosts/Servers/3/localuser/dirrec

 Is the target of this junction already on C: or some other drive that
 is already in the backup set?

John, thanks, but this was already addressed to the list, using the 
onefs option to yes takes care of
the issue, and no, there is no other target drive other then C:.



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Re: [Bacula-users] Windows Backup Junction Point / Filesystem Question

2011-01-31 Thread John Drescher
 John, thanks, but this was already addressed to the list, using the onefs
 option to yes takes care of
 the issue, and no, there is no other target drive other then C:.


My point is no the onefs option does not properly fix the issue. If
the target of the junction is on C: you do NOT want to set onefs=no
because the data in the junction will be backed up twice then.

John

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Re: [Bacula-users] Windows Backup Junction Point / Filesystem Question

2011-01-31 Thread Randy Katz
On 1/31/2011 9:08 AM, John Drescher wrote:
 John, thanks, but this was already addressed to the list, using the onefs
 option to yes takes care of
 the issue, and no, there is no other target drive other then C:.

 My point is no the onefs option does not properly fix the issue. If
 the target of the junction is on C: you do NOT want to set onefs=no
 because the data in the junction will be backed up twice then.
I set it to onefs=yes and it is backing it up now and not twice. I am 
happy.

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Re: [Bacula-users] Windows Backup Junction Point / Filesystem Question

2011-01-31 Thread Randy Katz
On 1/31/2011 9:08 AM, John Drescher wrote:
 John, thanks, but this was already addressed to the list, using the onefs
 option to yes takes care of
 the issue, and no, there is no other target drive other then C:.

 My point is no the onefs option does not properly fix the issue. If
 the target of the junction is on C: you do NOT want to set onefs=no
 because the data in the junction will be backed up twice then.

Sorry, onefs=no is what I meant.


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Re: [Bacula-users] Windows Backup Junction Point / Filesystem Question

2011-01-31 Thread John Drescher
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Randy Katz
rk...@simplicityhosting.com wrote:
 On 1/31/2011 9:08 AM, John Drescher wrote:

 John, thanks, but this was already addressed to the list, using the onefs
 option to yes takes care of
 the issue, and no, there is no other target drive other then C:.

 My point is no the onefs option does not properly fix the issue. If
 the target of the junction is on C: you do NOT want to set onefs=no
 because the data in the junction will be backed up twice then.

 Sorry, onefs=no is what I meant.


This is generally still the wrong thing to do. Its better to include
the target of the junction in the fileset instead of backing up
through the juction but I guess it would work. This will cause you
problems on disaster recovery because the junction will not
automatically remade. If you use this method you will have to recreate
the junctions before the restore instead of recreating junctions after
with the onefs=yes method.


John

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Re: [Bacula-users] Windows Backup Junction Point / Filesystem Question

2011-01-31 Thread Randy Katz
On 1/31/2011 9:24 AM, John Drescher wrote:
 On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Randy Katz
 rk...@simplicityhosting.com  wrote:
 On 1/31/2011 9:08 AM, John Drescher wrote:
 John, thanks, but this was already addressed to the list, using the onefs
 option to yes takes care of
 the issue, and no, there is no other target drive other then C:.

 My point is no the onefs option does not properly fix the issue. If
 the target of the junction is on C: you do NOT want to set onefs=no
 because the data in the junction will be backed up twice then.

 Sorry, onefs=no is what I meant.

 This is generally still the wrong thing to do. Its better to include
 the target of the junction in the fileset instead of backing up
 through the juction but I guess it would work. This will cause you
 problems on disaster recovery because the junction will not
 automatically remade. If you use this method you will have to recreate
 the junctions before the restore instead of recreating junctions after
 with the onefs=yes method.


ok, thanks.

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