Re: [Bacula-users] Long pause with no logging or any activity at all
About this issue! I've had this behaviour sometimes in a Verify Job Level Data. Best regards *Wanderlei Hüttel* http://www.bacula.com.br Em qua, 20 de fev de 2019 às 10:06, William Muriithi escreveu: > Hello Simmons, > > > > Unless something like Samba is converting the symlink to a directory, > Bacula > will not follow it. > > Okay, that is great to know. > > > Filling /tmp might cause the problem, but it should really fail with an > error. > > Really wish that is the case but that is the only thing that make sense. > The director, storage and clients are all on different hosts. > > > According to the "stat client" output, it has written 3.3 TB so far. If > your > data is reasonably compressible then that should fit onto a 2.6 TB LTO-6 > tape. > > That is what I was suspecting too, I was afraid the autochanger isn't > working properly or isn't configured well. I have since re-run the job and > it don't even make sense any more. This is the current status of the tapes. > > *list volume > Automatically selected Catalog: MyCatalog > Using Catalog "MyCatalog" > Pool: Default > No results to list. > Pool: Tapes > > +-++---+-+---+--+--+-+--+---+---+-+ > | MediaId | VolumeName | VolStatus | Enabled | VolBytes | > VolFiles | VolRetention | Recycle | Slot | InChanger | MediaType | > LastWritten | > > +-++---+-+---+--+--+-+--+---+---+-+ > | 1 | 000128L6 | Append| 1 | 8,605,620,043,776 | > 8,608 | 31,536,000 | 1 |2 | 1 | LTO-6 | 2019-02-20 > 07:12:15 | > | 2 | 000101L6 | Append| 1 |64,512 | > 0 | 31,536,000 | 1 |1 | 1 | LTO-6 | -00-00 > 00:00:00 | > > +-++---+-+---+--+--+-+--+---+---+-+ > Pool: Scratch > No results to list. > > It seem like 8TB on one tape. How is this possible? And the autochanger > hasn't kicked in. > > Regards, > William > > ___ > Bacula-users mailing list > Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users > ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Long pause with no logging or any activity at all
Hello Simmons, > Unless something like Samba is converting the symlink to a directory, Bacula will not follow it. Okay, that is great to know. > Filling /tmp might cause the problem, but it should really fail with an error. Really wish that is the case but that is the only thing that make sense. The director, storage and clients are all on different hosts. > According to the "stat client" output, it has written 3.3 TB so far. If your data is reasonably compressible then that should fit onto a 2.6 TB LTO-6 tape. That is what I was suspecting too, I was afraid the autochanger isn't working properly or isn't configured well. I have since re-run the job and it don't even make sense any more. This is the current status of the tapes. *list volume Automatically selected Catalog: MyCatalog Using Catalog "MyCatalog" Pool: Default No results to list. Pool: Tapes +-++---+-+---+--+--+-+--+---+---+-+ | MediaId | VolumeName | VolStatus | Enabled | VolBytes | VolFiles | VolRetention | Recycle | Slot | InChanger | MediaType | LastWritten | +-++---+-+---+--+--+-+--+---+---+-+ | 1 | 000128L6 | Append| 1 | 8,605,620,043,776 |8,608 | 31,536,000 | 1 |2 | 1 | LTO-6 | 2019-02-20 07:12:15 | | 2 | 000101L6 | Append| 1 |64,512 |0 | 31,536,000 | 1 |1 | 1 | LTO-6 | -00-00 00:00:00 | +-++---+-+---+--+--+-+--+---+---+-+ Pool: Scratch No results to list. It seem like 8TB on one tape. How is this possible? And the autochanger hasn't kicked in. Regards, William ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Long pause with no logging or any activity at all
Unless something like Samba is converting the symlink to a directory, Bacula will not follow it. Filling /tmp might cause the problem, but it should really fail with an error. According to the "stat client" output, it has written 3.3 TB so far. If your data is reasonably compressible then that should fit onto a 2.6 TB LTO-6 tape. __Martin > On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 21:34:48 +, William Muriithi said: > > Hi all, > > Thanks all for the feedback. The file path was actually a symlinc that I > think I had created in a weird way, ended up being recursive. I used unlink > to dump it on both the source and backups server. The backup never > progressed > > I suspect I may have found the root cause though. I had scheduled a backup > of the catalogue database and on Friday, it failed. I was using the tmp file > system as mysql tmp file and it had filed up. > > I commented it off, restarted the catalogue and restarted the backup job. > Will advice if I see the problem again. > > Curious, how long should LTO-6 take on average to fill up? On the third day > and its yet to need the autochanger. This kind of feel too slow to me > > Regards, > William > > > From: Martin Simmons > Sent: February 18, 2019 11:49:41 AM > To: William Muriithi > Cc: uwe.schuerk...@bertelsmann.de; bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Bacula-users] Long pause with no logging or any activity at all > > On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 15:10:13 +, William Muriithi said: > > > > > have you tried the "stat client" command? If you run it a few times you > > > should be able to spot if there's still data transfer activity. > > > > Daemon started 12-Feb-19 11:53. Jobs: run=4 running=0. > > Heap: heap=135,168 smbytes=586,060 max_bytes=639,633 bufs=465 max_bufs=515 > > Sizeof: boffset_t=8 size_t=8 debug=0 trace=0 > > Running Jobs: > > JobId 7 Job BackupClient2.2019-02-12_16.08.21_03 is running. > > Full Backup Job started: 12-Feb-19 16:08 > > Files=14,795,540 Bytes=3,362,575,559,435 Bytes/sec=14,178,390 Errors=0 > > Files Examined=14,795,541 > > Processing file: > > /export/eng/deuterium.eng.example.com/eng/tools/synopsys/pa-vrtzr/F-2011.06-SP1/SLS/linux/InnoGUI/wine/localdotwine/dosdevices/z:/export/eng/projects/cad_admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/tools/rhel5/subversion-1.6.18/subversion/libsvn_subr/.libs/libsvn_subr-1.so.0.0.0 > > SDReadSeqNo=5 fd=7 > > Director connected at: 15-Feb-19 10:01 > > Is this path with so many nested "admin" directories expected? > > Is any of it mounted from another machine (e.g. by Samba)? > > The localdotwine directory looks like a Wine directory to me, but it seems > strange that the dosdevices directory contains a directory called z: rather > than a symbolic link. > > __Martin > ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Long pause with no logging or any activity at all
Hello, pon., 18 lut 2019 o 17:27 Martin Simmons napisał(a): > > On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 15:21:16 +, William Muriithi said: > > > > > Also, try "status dir" to see what the Director is doing. > > > > Hmm, this see to help. I believe this is the job number 7 that has a > fatal error as status. Wish it was more elaborate than that. Have you > seen that error before? > > > > Daemon started 12-Feb-19 16:02. Jobs: run=0, running=5 mode=0,0 > > Heap: heap=270,336 smbytes=173,258 max_bytes=174,054 bufs=447 > max_bufs=454 > > > > Scheduled Jobs: > > Level Type Pri Scheduled Name Volume > > > === > > IncrementalBackup10 15-Feb-19 11:58BackupClient1 > 000128L6 > > Full Backup10 15-Feb-19 15:08BackupClient2 > 000128L6 > > Full Backup11 15-Feb-19 15:10BackupCatalog > 000128L6 > > > > > > Running Jobs: > > Console connected at 12-Feb-19 16:02 > > Console connected at 14-Feb-19 16:09 > > JobId Level Name Status > > == > > 7 FullBackupClient2.2019-02-12_16.08.21_03 has a fatal error > > 8 FullBackupClient1.2019-02-13_11.58.00_07 is waiting execution > > 9 FullBackupCatalog.2019-02-13_15.10.00_08 is waiting execution > > 10 FullBackupClient1.2019-02-14_11.58.00_14 is waiting execution > > 11 FullBackupCatalog.2019-02-14_15.10.00_15 is waiting execution > > > > No, I've never seen it stuck with "has a fatal error" -- that looks like a > bug, i.e. the job should terminate soon after it gets a fatal error. > > I had it during development tests when FD executing a job died and all other daemons noticed it and are waiting for final job termination but no communication from FD and they will timeout eventually. I'm not sure if this is a cause here, but OP could check it. best regards -- Radosław Korzeniewski rados...@korzeniewski.net ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Long pause with no logging or any activity at all
Hi all, Thanks all for the feedback. The file path was actually a symlinc that I think I had created in a weird way, ended up being recursive. I used unlink to dump it on both the source and backups server. The backup never progressed I suspect I may have found the root cause though. I had scheduled a backup of the catalogue database and on Friday, it failed. I was using the tmp file system as mysql tmp file and it had filed up. I commented it off, restarted the catalogue and restarted the backup job. Will advice if I see the problem again. Curious, how long should LTO-6 take on average to fill up? On the third day and its yet to need the autochanger. This kind of feel too slow to me Regards, William From: Martin Simmons Sent: February 18, 2019 11:49:41 AM To: William Muriithi Cc: uwe.schuerk...@bertelsmann.de; bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Bacula-users] Long pause with no logging or any activity at all > On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 15:10:13 +, William Muriithi said: > > > have you tried the "stat client" command? If you run it a few times you > > should be able to spot if there's still data transfer activity. > > Daemon started 12-Feb-19 11:53. Jobs: run=4 running=0. > Heap: heap=135,168 smbytes=586,060 max_bytes=639,633 bufs=465 max_bufs=515 > Sizeof: boffset_t=8 size_t=8 debug=0 trace=0 > Running Jobs: > JobId 7 Job BackupClient2.2019-02-12_16.08.21_03 is running. > Full Backup Job started: 12-Feb-19 16:08 > Files=14,795,540 Bytes=3,362,575,559,435 Bytes/sec=14,178,390 Errors=0 > Files Examined=14,795,541 > Processing file: > /export/eng/deuterium.eng.example.com/eng/tools/synopsys/pa-vrtzr/F-2011.06-SP1/SLS/linux/InnoGUI/wine/localdotwine/dosdevices/z:/export/eng/projects/cad_admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/tools/rhel5/subversion-1.6.18/subversion/libsvn_subr/.libs/libsvn_subr-1.so.0.0.0 > SDReadSeqNo=5 fd=7 > Director connected at: 15-Feb-19 10:01 Is this path with so many nested "admin" directories expected? Is any of it mounted from another machine (e.g. by Samba)? The localdotwine directory looks like a Wine directory to me, but it seems strange that the dosdevices directory contains a directory called z: rather than a symbolic link. __Martin ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Long pause with no logging or any activity at all
> On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 15:10:13 +, William Muriithi said: > > > have you tried the "stat client" command? If you run it a few times you > > should be able to spot if there's still data transfer activity. > > Daemon started 12-Feb-19 11:53. Jobs: run=4 running=0. > Heap: heap=135,168 smbytes=586,060 max_bytes=639,633 bufs=465 max_bufs=515 > Sizeof: boffset_t=8 size_t=8 debug=0 trace=0 > Running Jobs: > JobId 7 Job BackupClient2.2019-02-12_16.08.21_03 is running. > Full Backup Job started: 12-Feb-19 16:08 > Files=14,795,540 Bytes=3,362,575,559,435 Bytes/sec=14,178,390 Errors=0 > Files Examined=14,795,541 > Processing file: > /export/eng/deuterium.eng.example.com/eng/tools/synopsys/pa-vrtzr/F-2011.06-SP1/SLS/linux/InnoGUI/wine/localdotwine/dosdevices/z:/export/eng/projects/cad_admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/tools/rhel5/subversion-1.6.18/subversion/libsvn_subr/.libs/libsvn_subr-1.so.0.0.0 > SDReadSeqNo=5 fd=7 > Director connected at: 15-Feb-19 10:01 Is this path with so many nested "admin" directories expected? Is any of it mounted from another machine (e.g. by Samba)? The localdotwine directory looks like a Wine directory to me, but it seems strange that the dosdevices directory contains a directory called z: rather than a symbolic link. __Martin ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Long pause with no logging or any activity at all
> On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 15:21:16 +, William Muriithi said: > > > Also, try "status dir" to see what the Director is doing. > > Hmm, this see to help. I believe this is the job number 7 that has a fatal > error as status. Wish it was more elaborate than that. Have you seen that > error before? > > Daemon started 12-Feb-19 16:02. Jobs: run=0, running=5 mode=0,0 > Heap: heap=270,336 smbytes=173,258 max_bytes=174,054 bufs=447 max_bufs=454 > > Scheduled Jobs: > Level Type Pri Scheduled Name Volume > === > IncrementalBackup10 15-Feb-19 11:58BackupClient1 000128L6 > Full Backup10 15-Feb-19 15:08BackupClient2 000128L6 > Full Backup11 15-Feb-19 15:10BackupCatalog 000128L6 > > > Running Jobs: > Console connected at 12-Feb-19 16:02 > Console connected at 14-Feb-19 16:09 > JobId Level Name Status > == > 7 FullBackupClient2.2019-02-12_16.08.21_03 has a fatal error > 8 FullBackupClient1.2019-02-13_11.58.00_07 is waiting execution > 9 FullBackupCatalog.2019-02-13_15.10.00_08 is waiting execution > 10 FullBackupClient1.2019-02-14_11.58.00_14 is waiting execution > 11 FullBackupCatalog.2019-02-14_15.10.00_15 is waiting execution > No, I've never seen it stuck with "has a fatal error" -- that looks like a bug, i.e. the job should terminate soon after it gets a fatal error. __Martin ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Long pause with no logging or any activity at all
Am 15.02.2019 um 16:10 schrieb William Muriithi: >> have you tried the "stat client" command? If you run it a few times you >> should be able to spot if there's still data transfer activity. > > Daemon started 12-Feb-19 11:53. Jobs: run=4 running=0. > Heap: heap=135,168 smbytes=586,060 max_bytes=639,633 bufs=465 max_bufs=515 > Sizeof: boffset_t=8 size_t=8 debug=0 trace=0 > Running Jobs: > JobId 7 Job BackupClient2.2019-02-12_16.08.21_03 is running. > Full Backup Job started: 12-Feb-19 16:08 > Files=14,795,540 Bytes=3,362,575,559,435 Bytes/sec=14,178,390 Errors=0 > Files Examined=14,795,541 > Processing file: > /export/eng/deuterium.eng.example.com/eng/tools/synopsys/pa-vrtzr/F-2011.06-SP1/SLS/linux/InnoGUI/wine/localdotwine/dosdevices/z:/export/eng/projects/cad_admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/tools/rhel5/subversion-1.6.18/subversion/libsvn_subr/.libs/libsvn_subr-1.so.0.0.0 That path looks a bit unsual, to say the least. Are you sure the filesystem on the machine running the filedaemon isn't broken? > [...] > Terminated Jobs: > JobId LevelFiles Bytes Status FinishedName > == >180 Full 0 0 Error11-Feb-19 13:53 BackupCatalog > 3 Full 0 0 OK 12-Feb-19 14:09 BackupCatalog > 4 Full 102.281 M Error12-Feb-19 15:08 BackupClient1 > 5 Full 0 0 OK 12-Feb-19 15:10 BackupCatalog > 6 Full 0 0 OK 12-Feb-19 15:58 BackupClient2 > > > That has been the status since yesterday > > Strace is also silent, look as below since last night but one: > [...] Does the output of "messages" in the bacula console give any useful information? Best regards Sebastian ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Long pause with no logging or any activity at all
Hi Uwe, > have you tried the "stat client" command? If you run it a few times you > should be able to spot if there's still data transfer activity. Daemon started 12-Feb-19 11:53. Jobs: run=4 running=0. Heap: heap=135,168 smbytes=586,060 max_bytes=639,633 bufs=465 max_bufs=515 Sizeof: boffset_t=8 size_t=8 debug=0 trace=0 Running Jobs: JobId 7 Job BackupClient2.2019-02-12_16.08.21_03 is running. Full Backup Job started: 12-Feb-19 16:08 Files=14,795,540 Bytes=3,362,575,559,435 Bytes/sec=14,178,390 Errors=0 Files Examined=14,795,541 Processing file: /export/eng/deuterium.eng.example.com/eng/tools/synopsys/pa-vrtzr/F-2011.06-SP1/SLS/linux/InnoGUI/wine/localdotwine/dosdevices/z:/export/eng/projects/cad_admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/admin/tools/rhel5/subversion-1.6.18/subversion/libsvn_subr/.libs/libsvn_subr-1.so.0.0.0 SDReadSeqNo=5 fd=7 Director connected at: 15-Feb-19 10:01 Terminated Jobs: JobId LevelFiles Bytes Status FinishedName == 180 Full 0 0 Error11-Feb-19 13:53 BackupCatalog 3 Full 0 0 OK 12-Feb-19 14:09 BackupCatalog 4 Full 102.281 M Error12-Feb-19 15:08 BackupClient1 5 Full 0 0 OK 12-Feb-19 15:10 BackupCatalog 6 Full 0 0 OK 12-Feb-19 15:58 BackupClient2 That has been the status since yesterday Strace is also silent, look as below since last night but one: [root@eng-backup01 ~]# strace -p 22956 strace: Process 22956 attached select(7, [6], NULL, NULL, NULL^[[B Regards, William ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Long pause with no logging or any activity at all
Hi Martin, Thanks a lot for your response. > Is the log really "nothing"? It should at least show the last thing that > happened. Honestly nothing, the last 3 lines on bacula.log was on 12-Feb 15:58 and that was before I started the pending backup job > Also, try "status dir" to see what the Director is doing. Hmm, this see to help. I believe this is the job number 7 that has a fatal error as status. Wish it was more elaborate than that. Have you seen that error before? Daemon started 12-Feb-19 16:02. Jobs: run=0, running=5 mode=0,0 Heap: heap=270,336 smbytes=173,258 max_bytes=174,054 bufs=447 max_bufs=454 Scheduled Jobs: Level Type Pri Scheduled Name Volume === IncrementalBackup10 15-Feb-19 11:58BackupClient1 000128L6 Full Backup10 15-Feb-19 15:08BackupClient2 000128L6 Full Backup11 15-Feb-19 15:10BackupCatalog 000128L6 Running Jobs: Console connected at 12-Feb-19 16:02 Console connected at 14-Feb-19 16:09 JobId Level Name Status == 7 FullBackupClient2.2019-02-12_16.08.21_03 has a fatal error 8 FullBackupClient1.2019-02-13_11.58.00_07 is waiting execution 9 FullBackupCatalog.2019-02-13_15.10.00_08 is waiting execution 10 FullBackupClient1.2019-02-14_11.58.00_14 is waiting execution 11 FullBackupCatalog.2019-02-14_15.10.00_15 is waiting execution Regards, William ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Long pause with no logging or any activity at all
> On Thu, 14 Feb 2019 16:49:40 +, William Muriithi said: > > That hasn't changed for the last 5 hours. The director, storage and client > are all fine and responsive to console, but no activity. Nothing on the > director's log too. > > So the question is, how would one go around figuring out what is happening > in this situation? Is the log really "nothing"? It should at least show the last thing that happened. Also, try "status dir" to see what the Director is doing. __Martin ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Long pause with no logging or any activity at all
On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 04:49:40PM +, William Muriithi wrote: > Hello, > > I have a new bacula setup and for the last two day, has been running the > first large scheduled job. Sometimes early this morning, it looks like > bacula stopped writing to the tape > > I was monitoring it using this command: > > *list volumes Good morning William, have you tried the "stat client" command? If you run it a few times you should be able to spot if there's still data transfer activity. All the best, Uwe ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
[Bacula-users] Long pause with no logging or any activity at all
Hello, I have a new bacula setup and for the last two day, has been running the first large scheduled job. Sometimes early this morning, it looks like bacula stopped writing to the tape I was monitoring it using this command: *list volumes +-++---+-+---+--+--+-+--+---+---+-+ | MediaId | VolumeName | VolStatus | Enabled | VolBytes | VolFiles | VolRetention | Recycle | Slot | InChanger | MediaType | LastWritten | +-++---+-+---+--+--+-+--+---+---+-+ | 1 | 000128L6 | Append| 1 | 3,369,784,578,048 |3,374 | 31,536,000 | 1 |2 | 1 | LTO-6 | 2019-02-14 03:43:09 | | 2 | 000109L6 | Append| 1 |64,512 |0 | 31,536,000 | 1 |3 | 1 | LTO-6 | -00-00 00:00:00 | | 3 | 000114L6 | Append| 1 |64,512 |0 | 31,536,000 | 1 |4 | 1 | LTO-6 | -00-00 00:00:00 | | 4 | 000113L6 | Append| 1 |64,512 |0 | 31,536,000 | 1 |5 | 1 | LTO-6 | -00-00 00:00:00 | | 5 | 000129L6 | Append| 1 |64,512 |0 | 31,536,000 | 1 |6 | 1 | LTO-6 | -00-00 00:00:00 | | 6 | 000112L6 | Append| 1 |64,512 |0 | 31,536,000 | 1 |7 | 1 | LTO-6 | -00-00 00:00:00 | | 7 | 000130L6 | Append| 1 |64,512 |0 | 31,536,000 | 1 |8 | 1 | LTO-6 | -00-00 00:00:00 | +-++---+-+---+--+--+-+--+---+---+-+ That hasn't changed for the last 5 hours. The director, storage and client are all fine and responsive to console, but no activity. Nothing on the director's log too. So the question is, how would one go around figuring out what is happening in this situation? Regards, William ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
