Re: [Bacula-users] Running several jobs at a time

2012-10-16 Thread Geert Stappers
Op 20121015 om 09:48 schreef Marek Šimon:
 Od: Geert Stappers geert.stapp...@vanadgroup.com
 Odeslané: Středa, 10. Říjen 2012 9:00:46
  Op 20121008 om 23:32 schreef lst_ho...@kwsoft.de:
   Zitat von Константин Поветкин povet...@kuz.com.ua:
   
Please give me an example, if it`s possible, how to make bacula to  
run several jobs at a time.
How is it possible to check if jobs are executing concurrent?
   
Current config of my bacula-dir instance:
snip/
   
Current config of my bacula-sd instance:
snip/
   
snip set priority /snip
  
  Back to:
How is it possible to check if jobs are executing concurrent?
  
  I don't understand that question.  Perhaps should I read it as:
How to create a denial-of-service attack
with my bacula clients on my bacula server?
And how to check the current attack count?
  
  
  I think that
   You need to take sure that the jobs have the same Priority.
  could help with doing stupid things.
  However to make the DoS attack succeed, is more needed.
  Like making several definitions of the same storage deamon
  and hope that the Bacula schedular eats the bait.
  
  
  In other words:
  
   When are more concurrent jobs then just one backup job wanted?
  
 I dont understand why having concurent jobs is wrong.

I think that replying below the text,
could have avoided the word 'wrong'.

 I have tens of clients, hundereds of jobs. The clients are on slower
 lines than the storage daemon, and when Incremental job is on, the
 traffic is nearly zero. My director with storage daemon can manage
 about 20 concurent jobs. The load is higher but now DOS at all.

Good for you.
And it is up to you what happens when the lines to clients get faster.


Okay, meanwhile I see use cases for more concurrent jobs.

With some luck will the next posting in this thread start
with a line like and actually answer it.

How is it possible to check if jobs are executing concurrent?


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Re: [Bacula-users] Running several jobs at a time

2012-10-16 Thread Geert Stappers
Op 20121010 om 09:39 schreef lst_ho...@kwsoft.de:
 Zitat von Geert Stappers geert.stapp...@vanadgroup.com:
 
  Back to:
   How is it possible to check if jobs are executing concurrent?
 
  I don't understand that question.  Perhaps should I read it as:
How to create a denial-of-service attack
with my bacula clients on my bacula server?
And how to check the current attack count?
 
 
  I think that
  You need to take sure that the jobs have the same Priority.
  could help with doing stupid things.
  However to make the DoS attack succeed, is more needed.
  Like making several definitions of the same storage deamon
  and hope that the Bacula schedular eats the bait.
 
 
  In other words:
 
 When are more concurrent jobs then just one backup job wanted?
 
 If the clients are compareable slow and the server is able to handle  
 the throughput from more than one client concurrently?

Okay. And let us _assume_ that it does scale.


 What is wrong with well balanced concurrency?

The time spend on balancing.


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who chooses robust above well balanced
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Re: [Bacula-users] Running several jobs at a time

2012-10-15 Thread Marek Šimon
I dont understand why having concurent jobs is wrong. I have tens of clients, 
hundereds of jobs. The clients are on slower lines than the storage daemon, and 
when Incremental job is on, the traffic is nearly zero. My director with 
storage daemon can manage about 20 concurent jobs. The load is higher but now 
DOS at all.


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Předmět: Re: [Bacula-users] Running several jobs at a time

Op 20121008 om 23:32 schreef lst_ho...@kwsoft.de:
 Zitat von Константин Поветкин povet...@kuz.com.ua:
 
  Please give me an example, if it`s possible, how to make bacula to  
  run several jobs at a time.
  How is it possible to check if jobs are executing concurrent?
 
  Current config of my bacula-dir instance:
  snip/
 
  Current config of my bacula-sd instance:
  snip/
 
 
 
 You need to take sure that the jobs have the same Priority.
 To check use Bat or the bconsole.
 

Is there a more conviened way to see priorities for jobs
then to check then one after one in bconsole?


| *run job=c1job
| Run Backup job
| JobName:  c1job
| Level:Incremental
| Client:   c1-fd
| FileSet:  rootboothomevar
| Pool: Default (From Job resource)
| Storage:  File (From Job resource)
| When: 2012-10-10 08:12:08
| Priority: 10
| OK to run? (yes/mod/no): .
| Job not run.


Back to:
  How is it possible to check if jobs are executing concurrent?

I don't understand that question.  Perhaps should I read it as:
  How to create a denial-of-service attack
  with my bacula clients on my bacula server?
  And how to check the current attack count?


I think that
 You need to take sure that the jobs have the same Priority.
could help with doing stupid things.
However to make the DoS attack succeed, is more needed.
Like making several definitions of the same storage deamon
and hope that the Bacula schedular eats the bait.


In other words:

   When are more concurrent jobs then just one backup job wanted?



Cheers
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Re: [Bacula-users] Running several jobs at a time

2012-10-11 Thread Radosław Korzeniewski
Hello,

2012/10/10 Geert Stappers geert.stapp...@vanadgroup.com


 Is there a more conviened way to see priorities for jobs
 then to check then one after one in bconsole?


Use: *show jobs* in bconsole and you'll get all available information about
all defined jobs. You can limit this by: *show job=jobname*.

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Re: [Bacula-users] Running several jobs at a time, show priority

2012-10-11 Thread Geert Stappers
Op 20121011 om 11:24 schreef Radosław Korzeniewski:
 2012/10/10 Geert Stappers geert.stapp...@vanadgroup.com
  Is there a more conviened way to see priorities for jobs
  then to check then one after one in bconsole?
 
 Use: show jobs in bconsole and you'll get all available information about all
 defined jobs. You can limit this by: show job=jobname.

Thanks.
With a command line like
  echo show jobs | /etc/bacula/scripts/bconsole | grep ^Job

I get lines like
  Job: name=c1job JobType=66 level=Incremental Priority=10 Enabled=1
  Job: name=c2job JobType=66 level=Incremental Priority=10 Enabled=1


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Re: [Bacula-users] Running several jobs at a time

2012-10-10 Thread Geert Stappers
Op 20121008 om 23:32 schreef lst_ho...@kwsoft.de:
 Zitat von Константин Поветкин povet...@kuz.com.ua:
 
  Please give me an example, if it`s possible, how to make bacula to  
  run several jobs at a time.
  How is it possible to check if jobs are executing concurrent?
 
  Current config of my bacula-dir instance:
  snip/
 
  Current config of my bacula-sd instance:
  snip/
 
 
 
 You need to take sure that the jobs have the same Priority.
 To check use Bat or the bconsole.
 

Is there a more conviened way to see priorities for jobs
then to check then one after one in bconsole?


| *run job=c1job
| Run Backup job
| JobName:  c1job
| Level:Incremental
| Client:   c1-fd
| FileSet:  rootboothomevar
| Pool: Default (From Job resource)
| Storage:  File (From Job resource)
| When: 2012-10-10 08:12:08
| Priority: 10
| OK to run? (yes/mod/no): .
| Job not run.


Back to:
  How is it possible to check if jobs are executing concurrent?

I don't understand that question.  Perhaps should I read it as:
  How to create a denial-of-service attack
  with my bacula clients on my bacula server?
  And how to check the current attack count?


I think that
 You need to take sure that the jobs have the same Priority.
could help with doing stupid things.
However to make the DoS attack succeed, is more needed.
Like making several definitions of the same storage deamon
and hope that the Bacula schedular eats the bait.


In other words:

   When are more concurrent jobs then just one backup job wanted?



Cheers
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Re: [Bacula-users] Running several jobs at a time

2012-10-10 Thread lst_hoe02

Zitat von Geert Stappers geert.stapp...@vanadgroup.com:

 Op 20121008 om 23:32 schreef lst_ho...@kwsoft.de:
 Zitat von Константин Поветкин povet...@kuz.com.ua:

  Please give me an example, if it`s possible, how to make bacula to
  run several jobs at a time.
  How is it possible to check if jobs are executing concurrent?
 
  Current config of my bacula-dir instance:
   snip/
 
  Current config of my bacula-sd instance:
   snip/
 
 

 You need to take sure that the jobs have the same Priority.
 To check use Bat or the bconsole.


 Is there a more conviened way to see priorities for jobs
 then to check then one after one in bconsole?


 | *run job=c1job
 | Run Backup job
 | JobName:  c1job
 | Level:Incremental
 | Client:   c1-fd
 | FileSet:  rootboothomevar
 | Pool: Default (From Job resource)
 | Storage:  File (From Job resource)
 | When: 2012-10-10 08:12:08
 | Priority: 10
 | OK to run? (yes/mod/no): .
 | Job not run.


 Back to:
  How is it possible to check if jobs are executing concurrent?

 I don't understand that question.  Perhaps should I read it as:
   How to create a denial-of-service attack
   with my bacula clients on my bacula server?
   And how to check the current attack count?


 I think that
 You need to take sure that the jobs have the same Priority.
 could help with doing stupid things.
 However to make the DoS attack succeed, is more needed.
 Like making several definitions of the same storage deamon
 and hope that the Bacula schedular eats the bait.


 In other words:

When are more concurrent jobs then just one backup job wanted?

If the clients are compareable slow and the server is able to handle  
the throughput from more than one client concurrently?

What is wrong with well balanced concurrency?

Regards

Andreas



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[Bacula-users] Running several jobs at a time

2012-10-08 Thread Константин Поветкин
Please give me an example, if it`s possible, how to make bacula to run several 
jobs at a time.
How is it possible to check if jobs are executing concurrent?

Current config of my bacula-dir instance:

Director {# define myself
  Name = www-dir
  DirAddress = backup.tradehouse.local
  DIRport = 9101# where we listen for UA connections
  QueryFile = /usr/libexec/bacula/query.sql
  WorkingDirectory = /var/lib/bacula
  PidDirectory = /var/run
  Maximum Concurrent Jobs = 20
  Password = password # Console password
  Messages = Daemon
}

Current config of my bacula-sd instance:

Storage { # definition of myself
  Name = www-sd
  SDPort = 9103  # Director's port
  WorkingDirectory = /var/lib/bacula
  Pid Directory = /var/run
  Maximum Concurrent Jobs = 20
  Heartbeat Interval = 120
  Client Connect Wait = 14400
}



With best regards,
system administrator
PJSC Kiev jewellery factory
Kostiantyn Povietkin.

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Re: [Bacula-users] Running several jobs at a time

2012-10-08 Thread lst_hoe02

Zitat von Константин Поветкин povet...@kuz.com.ua:

 Please give me an example, if it`s possible, how to make bacula to  
 run several jobs at a time.
 How is it possible to check if jobs are executing concurrent?

 Current config of my bacula-dir instance:

 Director {# define myself
   Name = www-dir
   DirAddress = backup.tradehouse.local
   DIRport = 9101# where we listen for UA connections
   QueryFile = /usr/libexec/bacula/query.sql
   WorkingDirectory = /var/lib/bacula
   PidDirectory = /var/run
   Maximum Concurrent Jobs = 20
   Password = password # Console password
   Messages = Daemon
 }

 Current config of my bacula-sd instance:

 Storage { # definition of myself
   Name = www-sd
   SDPort = 9103  # Director's port
   WorkingDirectory = /var/lib/bacula
   Pid Directory = /var/run
   Maximum Concurrent Jobs = 20
   Heartbeat Interval = 120
   Client Connect Wait = 14400
 }



You need to take sure that the jobs have the same Priority. To check  
use Bat or the bconsole.

Regards

Andreas



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