Re: Hey Bahai-st ;)

2005-05-23 Thread Jalet11
I'm on the list but your's is the 1st in a long time just loads of spam have no idea what has happened. miss the dialog been around since 1950 but don't often get a chance to get exposed to the insights exchanged so really miss it but oh the spam! JB __

RE: Limits on promoting ideas

2005-05-23 Thread Jim Habegger
Don, that's perfect! Wonderful! Thank you!!! Jim __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message

Re: Hey Bahai-st ;)

2005-05-23 Thread Don Calkins
At 11:28 -0700 5/23/05, Rich Ater wrote: MARK, Jilla is on the list. She is a Baha'i in Spokane WA and a very nice person to boot. Rich Yeah, I'll bet she pasted in her entire address book. I periodically get invites like that from various people I only sort of know. Don C -- He who be

RE: Limits on promoting ideas

2005-05-23 Thread Don Calkins
At 12:05 + 5/21/05, Jim Habegger wrote: Have you ever seen any decision by the Universal House of Justice, that forbids us to promote the inclusion of Women on the Universal House of Justice, or a Guardian after Shoghi Effendi, or any other view in particular? Have you ever seen any de

RE: Inner meaning and understanding

2005-05-23 Thread Khazeh Fananapazir
 In the course of the Suratu'l-Haykal, in the portion addressed to the Shah, Baha'u'llah writes of the meaning of rendering assistance to God: " . . . what is preferable in the sight of God is that the cities of men's hearts [=madaa'in e quluub], which are ruled by the hosts of self and passion [n

Re: Hey Bahai-st ;)

2005-05-23 Thread Rich Ater
MARK, Jilla is on the list. She is a Baha'i in Spokane WA and a very nice person to boot. Rich Mark A. Foster wrote: Come join my network at hi5!<< Is this spam, or is this person on the list? Does anyone know? Via moderna, Mark A. Foster • http://markfoster

Re: Hey Bahai-st ;)

2005-05-23 Thread Mark A. Foster
>>Come join my network at hi5!<< Is this spam, or is this person on the list? Does anyone know? Via moderna, Mark A. Foster • http://markfoster.net "... since [a] word is said to be common, it can be called a universal" - William of Ockham __ Y

re: Limits on promoting ideas

2005-05-23 Thread Jim Habegger
Brent, thank you. That's very helpful. Well done. All of that is part of the context in which I would want my ideas about this to be understood. I've seen some reputed defenders of the Faith reinforcing the allegations of detractors, that the Universal House of Justice has drawn boundaries aroun

re: Limits on promoting ideas

2005-05-23 Thread Brent Poirier
>>Have you ever seen any decision by the Universal House of Justice, that >>forbids us to promote the inclusion of Women on the Universal House of >>Justice, or a Guardian after Shoghi Effendi, or any other view in particular?>> I�d like to address a few points. The first is the meaning of th

re: Limits on promoting ideas

2005-05-23 Thread Jim Habegger
Brent, thank you for that post. I was very glad to see that. Jim __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message

Inner meaning and understanding

2005-05-23 Thread Brent Poirier
In the course of the Suratu'l-Haykal, in the portion addressed to the Shah, Baha'u'llah writes of the meaning of rendering assistance to God: " . . . what is preferable in the sight of God is that the cities of men's hearts, which are ruled by the hosts of self and passion, should be subdued by

re: Limits on promoting ideas

2005-05-23 Thread Brent Poirier
Other friends on this list have written: >>In particular, let's consider the Master's emphatic statement which you quoted, "To none is given the right to put forth his own opinion or express his particular conviction. All must seek guidance and turn unto the Center of the Cause and the House of Ju

Structurization Tech

2005-05-23 Thread Mark A. Foster
Hi, folks, Here is a short paper I wrote over the last two days. Comments are welcomed: http://tech.structurization.com/ Via moderna, Mark A. Foster • http://markfoster.net "... since [a] word is said to be common, it can be called a universal" - William of Ockham ___

RE: Limits on promoting ideas

2005-05-23 Thread Jim Habegger
"Rather, I think, the Master is forbidding the promotion of interpretations/opinions/ideas which are understood by the person himself to be contrary to guidance from the Guardian or the House of Justice, because the person has turned elsewhere for his light." Vaughn, I see two ways of reading t

RE: Limits on promoting ideas

2005-05-23 Thread Jim Habegger
Thank you, Vaughn. Have you ever seen any decision by the Universal House of Justice, that forbids us to promote the inclusion of Women on the Universal House of Justice, or a Guardian after Shoghi Effendi, or any other view in particular? Have you ever seen any decision by the Universal House

RE: Limits on promoting ideas

2005-05-23 Thread Vaughn Sheline
-Original Message- From: Jim Habegger Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 3:49 AM Subject: Limits on promoting ideas ... I see limits in the writings on the *manner* in which we can promote our ideas, but I do not see any boundaries on the *kinds* of ideas we can promote. In fact, I th

RE: Limits on promoting ideas

2005-05-23 Thread Jim Habegger
Thank you, Vaughn. That's helpful. Jim __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: Limits on promoting ideas

2005-05-23 Thread Vaughn Sheline
Dear Jim,   Good to hear from you again.  You always have a gentle and constructive spirit in your communications.   I think we need to draw distinctions between various degrees of *merely expressing* personal interpretations/opinions/ideas as opposed to *promoting* personal interpretat

re: Limits on promoting ideas

2005-05-23 Thread Jim Habegger
Maybe I should explain better what this is about. I was concerned that some people might be hesitating to promote some of their ideas, because they were imagining that it would be contrary to the Covenant to do so. I think that's wrong. I don't think the Covenant places any limits on the kinds

Re: Limits on promoting ideas

2005-05-23 Thread Jim Habegger
"Since you quote from the letter written in regards to Michael McKenny's removal from the rolls, what do you think was unacceptable about the *manner* in which he was expressing his views?" He continued a series of open Internet postings in which he challenged the authority of Bah� institutions

Re: Limits on promoting ideas

2005-05-23 Thread Smaneck
In a message dated 5/19/2005 5:36:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I see limits in the writings on the *manner* in which we can promote our ideas, but I do not see any boundaries on the *kinds* of ideas we can promote. In fact, I think we all have a responsibility to promot