lost link - will never found

2006-04-26 Thread Hasan Elias
Susan, Abdu'l-Bah saidthat the link assumed to be missing between man and animal will never be found:"The link which they say is lost is itself a proof that man was never an animal. How is it possible to have all the links present and that important link absent? Though one spend this

Re: lost link - will never found

2006-04-26 Thread smaneck
Dear Hasan, During Abdu'l-Baha's time there were people who believed there was a 'missing link' from which man descended from the apes which currently inhabit our planet. That link does not exist. But there are innumerable links tying us with previous hominids like the Australiopithecus. And

Re: : Re: Science and Religion

2006-04-26 Thread firestorm
after a wilfull week off, i would offer another pass at the perceptual issues in some of the Master's comments. : etheral MATTER as being an intellectual reality but later statements imply that the vibrations of this matter exist: yes. to exactly the same degree...which to say, as an

Re: lost link - will never found

2006-04-26 Thread Gilberto Simpson
Susan, That doesn't seem to resolve the issue. The claim isn't that that there is no missing link from modern humans to modern apes. The claim is that man was never an animal -Gilberto On 4/26/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Hasan, During Abdu'l-Baha's time there were

Re: lost link - will never found

2006-04-26 Thread Ursus Maximus
Hello Susan and Hasan, Dr. Maneck, while I often read a response like yours on the net, it is not completely correct, and because of this, itis misleading. There are *many* fossils already discovered that belonged to primate species that preceded the split between the current living human

Re: Whoso claimeth a revelation direct from God

2006-04-26 Thread firestorm
allow me to open the door to the possibiliuty that these are 2 different applications. The Master is of course infallibly correct in speaking of the body of members of the Faith. then let us take joseph smith, whom the Guardian at least once called a seer. may we hypothesize, without

Re: lost link - will never found

2006-04-26 Thread firestorm
the statement that such a link will never be found is in fact a scientific statement if one applies strict rules of scientific enquiry. the first of those rules in what are we talking about? and it is this question that the Master is addressing, imho. if man is a spiritual being, then no

Re: lost link - will never found

2006-04-26 Thread smaneck
That doesn't seem to resolve the issue. The claim isn't that that there is no missing link from modern humans to modern apes. The claim is that man was never an animal And that's a claim which I don't think science can prove or disprove. Clearly man is physically an animal, bu what makes him

Re: lost link - will never found

2006-04-26 Thread smaneck
There are *many* fossils already discovered that belonged to primate species that precededthe split between the current living human and non-human primates. Dear Ron, I'm not thinking of early primates in general, I'm thinking more specifically of the common ancestor of man and the

Re: lost link - will never found

2006-04-26 Thread Hasan Elias
I don't think the diferences between men and animals are only spiritual, that's why I asked why the Maester compared the memory of a pigeon with man. Are you saying human soul can act in a chimpanzee or an octopus?I think men were always men; we are of a different order, as we are