Re: Jewish/Arab Peace Song

2008-03-27 Thread Susan Maneck
I can't see that your qoute had any relevance to the context whatsoever. On 3/27/08, Richard H. Gravelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uncharacteristically Susan, you misunderstood the reason for my quoting that particular passage. We do not teach Jews in Israel. We do not teach anyone in Israel.

Re: Jewish/Arab Peace Song

2008-03-27 Thread Matt Haase
The Verse you quoted is very short, and I feel you have put a lot of personal interpretation into it to support your view that the very reason why there is conflict is because they are non-Baha'is. This suggests that if they were Baha'is, they would not be in conflict with each other. Well, of

Relativity of Truth

2008-03-27 Thread Sen Sonja
On 26 Mar 2008 at 23:56, Brent Poirier Attorney wrote: If one takes the statement that religious truth is not absolute, but relative as a broad sweep about the nature of all Revelation, then your conclusions logically follow. But I respectfully disagree with the premise because: - It

Re: Jewish/Arab Peace Song

2008-03-27 Thread Richard H. Gravelly
That you cannot see the issue, context, etc. is rather clear from your responses. But then the post was not directed to you in the first instance. Dominus vobiscum. Richard. - Original Message - I can't see that your qoute had any relevance to the context whatsoever. On 3/27/08,

Re: Jewish/Arab Peace Song

2008-03-27 Thread Richard H. Gravelly
The same theme, it seems to me, is expressed by Baha'u'llah in the following: If any man were to meditate on that which the Scriptures, sent down from the heaven of God's holy Will, have revealed, he would readily recognize that their purpose is that all men shall be regarded as one soul, so

Re: Jewish/Arab Peace Song

2008-03-27 Thread Susan Maneck
The same theme, it seems to me, is expressed by Baha'u'llah in the following: If any man were to meditate on that which the Scriptures, sent down from the heaven of God's holy Will, have revealed, he would readily recognize that their purpose is that all men shall be regarded as one soul, so

Re: Jewish/Arab Peace Song

2008-03-27 Thread Richard H. Gravelly
Thank God for the Covenant! Dominus vobiscum. Richard. - Original Message - From: Susan Maneck [EMAIL PROTECTED] The same theme, it seems to me, is expressed by Baha'u'llah in the following: If any man were to meditate on that which the Scriptures, sent down from the heaven of

Re: Jewish/Arab Peace Song

2008-03-27 Thread Matt Haase
I understand that what you said was not directed to me in the first place, but since this is a forum, what one says in direction to another person is not so much a private conversation, but an invitation for other people to join in if they want to. I'm not a Baha'i, by the way, so it felt

Re: Jewish/Arab Peace Song

2008-03-27 Thread Susan Maneck
Dear Matt, I can't blame you for feeling this way. I'm reminded of a statement made by Scott Peck in the Road Less Traveled: Anyone who believes that world peace won't be established until religious and cultural differences are obliterated – until all Jews become Christians or all Christians

Re: Jewish/Arab Peace Song

2008-03-27 Thread Richard H. Gravelly
May God forgive my offenses. Dominus vobiscum. Richard. - Original Message - From: Matt Haase To: Baha'i Studies Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 7:11 AM Subject: Re: Jewish/Arab Peace Song I understand that what you said was not directed to me in the first place, but since this is a

Re: Jewish/Arab Peace Song

2008-03-27 Thread Tim Nolan
I'm not a Baha'i, by the way, so it felt somewhat insulting to hear someone say that the reason why there is conflict is because they haven't accepted the Faith. **Somewhat** insulting? I'd say *very* insulting. Baha'is are not necessarily better than other people. We are all in this boat

Re: Relativity of Truth

2008-03-27 Thread Brent Poirier Attorney
I didn't say what I meant very clearly. I quite agree that the relativity of religious truth is not only in the Guardian's writings, but in the Iqan and elsewhere in the Text -- and I think he's using it to mean Progressive Revelation in the fullness of that meaning as explained in the

Re: Jewish/Arab Peace Song

2008-03-27 Thread Richard H. Gravelly
I think that you have all missed the point. The issue has nothing to do with who is better than whom it is a matter of the individual's responsibility to turn to God upon His Appearance. Shoghi Effendi has clearly described the condition of humankind in this regard: Unmitigated indifference

Re: Jewish/Arab Peace Song

2008-03-27 Thread Susan Maneck
I think that you have all missed the point. The issue has nothing to do with who is better than whom it is a matter of the individual's responsibility to turn to God upon His Appearance. Then why bring it up in connection with the Arab-Israeli dispute? The information contained in this

Re: Jewish/Arab Peace Song

2008-03-27 Thread Richard H. Gravelly
My initial statement was to the effect: The problem, if you will is that nether has accepted the Faith. It is my opinion that failure to obey God is at the root of all contention. As a matter of fact; as Abdu'l-Baha put it: Remember how Adam and the others once dwelt together in Eden. No

Re: Jewish/Arab Peace Song

2008-03-27 Thread Benjamin La Framboise
Does this conversation count as a quarrel, a conflict, a dispute? On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Richard H. Gravelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My initial statement was to the effect: The problem, if you will is that nether has accepted the Faith. It is my opinion that failure to obey God

Re: Jewish/Arab Peace Song

2008-03-27 Thread Richard H. Gravelly
I don't know. Richard. - Original Message - From: Benjamin La Framboise Does this conversation count as a quarrel, a conflict, a dispute? On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Richard H. Gravelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My initial statement was to the effect: The problem, if you will is

Re: Jewish/Arab Peace Song

2008-03-27 Thread Susan Maneck
Dear friends, I would like to point out that Richard is forwarding the messages posted here onto another list without the permission of the authors. Ordinarily I would remove him for this serious breach of netiquette. Unfortunately I haven't been able to do so since there was a system change on

Re: Jewish/Arab Peace Song

2008-03-27 Thread Richard H. Gravelly
Susan, you know I forwarded my reply to you as a clarification to another list by inadvertent error. By the way, when you called it to my attention, I sent an apology by reply but the Mailer Daemon sent it back. Why? And why do you represent one error as forwarding the messages posted here

Re: Jewish/Arab Peace Song

2008-03-27 Thread Tim Nolan
I would like to point out that Richard is forwarding the messages posted here onto another list without the permission of the authors. Thanks for letting us know, Susan. I won't respond to him. Tim All good art is about something deeper than it admits.

Re: Jewish/Arab Peace Song

2008-03-27 Thread Susan Maneck
Susan, you know I forwarded my reply to you as a clarification to another list by inadvertent error. What do you mean you forwarded it as a clarification? A clarification of what? By the way, when you called it to my attention, I sent an apology by reply but the Mailer Daemon sent it back.

Re: Jewish/Arab Peace Song

2008-03-27 Thread Richard H. Gravelly
- Original Message - From: Susan Maneck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Susan, you know I forwarded my reply to you as a clarification to another list by inadvertent error. What do you mean you forwarded it as a clarification? A clarification of what? The punctuation of my first reply was

Re: Jewish/Arab Peace Song

2008-03-27 Thread Susan Maneck
Baha'i Discuss has an old email address which no longer works. But since you did this on a public list, that is where I would expect the apology to be made. You might have simply sent it on the BS list. It would have been as public as necessary. That's not where you did the forwarding to.